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- b0rg, on 10/14/2008, -0/+17Cisco makes some of the best networking gear in the business. They also make, consistently, the absolute crappiest software. This is across-the-board, and is not particular to any platform. Their unix apps are as completely broken as their windows apps.
When I open a box with a cisco router or switch in it, the first thing I do is throw the CD in the garbage can.
Their telephony software is overly complicated, has incomprehensible licensing, the terms of which vary wildly from version to version.
To their credit, their IOS platform is one of the most deeply-documented environments I've ever used, and their web site is my personal benchmark for "how to do a support website right". - BigManOnCampus, on 10/14/2008, -3/+20Cisco is in the application/operating-system software business? I thought Cisco was a networking company. Why would Microsoft at all be at odds with Cisco?
- GarrettGrimsley, on 10/14/2008, -1/+17Just get DD-WRT or another firmware installed on it. That is if you have a consumer grade router. If you have a "business" one then you will can just have to settle for the newest IOS.
I really have no idea what your post says though :( - sodade, on 10/14/2008, -2/+16The article is talking about Unified Communications application integration. Cisco 1.0 was about networking, Cisco 2.0 is about the network as a platform for applications.
MS and Cisco are both competing for the UC market. Cisco isn't done solidifying their position, but they are way ahead of MS and gaining traction fast. - RadiatedAnt, on 10/14/2008, -1/+13um why go windows when linux is leaps and bounds from a networking point of view
- YodaJones, on 10/14/2008, -7/+17Ditto and bravo for going with open standards.
- sodade, on 10/14/2008, -2/+8Cisco UC has a long way to go to throw off the chains of MS, but they are working on it. UC Manager used to be a windows-only app, now it is Linux only. Their enterprise contact center and messaging products are still windows-only and are made up of many servers so it will take them a long time to migrate to Linux. They haven't announced it yet, but I bet it is on their roadmap.
- CorpT, on 10/14/2008, -1/+6It's true that their UCM stuff is a little rough around the edges, but it's light years from where it was, and compared to a lot of other IPPBXs, not that bad. Ever try working with a Nortel or Avaya IPPBX? They're really not any better.
But I can figure out how to make the software work, as long as the options are there. Can I make SIP INVITEs with SDP natively or do I need to go through a complex process to get a CUBE to do it? Can I promote a Subscriber to a Publisher? Can I secure phones easily? These are the things I'm concerned about with UCM.
I agree that UCM is complicated, but a lot of that is for good reason. I want to be able to define a lot of partitions and CCS. That gives me the flexibility I need to do what I want to do. - ThaDRD, on 10/14/2008, -1/+5I have to agree. I am attempting to configure and use CiscoWorks LMS and it's typical Cisco which is to say it's way more complicated than it needs to be. Good thing we have a SmartNet contract (Cisco engineers on demand).
- tomarocco, on 10/15/2008, -0/+4As it should be.
- inactive, on 10/14/2008, -6/+10misleading. buried as innacurate
- Balanced, on 10/14/2008, -1/+5They're looking at Linux as an app hosting platform, and it's a good choice. The Linux versions of CallManager (when they supported both platforms) had some definite advantages due to the ease of updating. The Linux version meant the OS was in the background... Patches were released but could be installed much easier (it used a system where two copies of the OS were installed, so one was updated while the other was running then kept as a back-out option), while the Windows version had to deal with the usual Windows patches but with the fun of requiring all patches be certified by Cisco.
- joshwehatetech, on 10/14/2008, -4/+7Anything to get you to pay the Cisco tax which is worse than the Microsoft tax.
- superjamie, on 10/15/2008, -0/+2AXP is hardly new, just how old is this article? ...April 11, 2008
- gyrfalcon, on 10/15/2008, -0/+2Cisco is only going with Linux because they realize they suck at innovation and can use it for free as a base OS to support new hardware.
Look at the newest PIX OS on the ASA... 8.0 is Linux based, but still very much proprietary.
Ps: TheGuruStud: If Cisco has one good product it's the routers... - tomarocco, on 10/15/2008, -0/+2If I were a third-world kid I'd be opting for food over pr0n.
- cantormath, on 10/15/2008, -1/+2Bravo CISCO........
- mahadiga, on 10/15/2008, -0/+1Historically Cisco, Intel and Microsoft have a colluded business model.
http://isbn.nu/aisbn/auletta%20ken will provide lots of insights. - JQP123, on 10/15/2008, -1/+2"... it's typical Cisco which is to say it's way more complicated than it needs to be."
They subscribe to the *nix philosophy where the user must adapt to the product rather than vice versa. They don't want to avoid obtuse and arcane semantics, they want to wallow in them. Once *your* brain is re-programmed to address their product, you can brag about your *skills*.
- GarrettGrimsley, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1When has a command not worked for you when typed in properly?
- simontemplr, on 04/16/2009, -0/+0Cisco and MS should go cohort via the PIX and ISA. They are both excellent firewalls, yes ISA can redirect. Why have a firewall to allow and disallow, and then multiple routers to redirect when need be.
- codekreator, on 10/17/2008, -0/+0Check out Cisco offering $100,000 prize money for Linux application developer contest.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.as ...
look up their website http://www.cisco.com/go/thinkinside - CorpT, on 10/14/2008, -2/+2Welcome to 1999. This tech boom is never going to end!
- booyahbitch, on 10/14/2008, -3/+3Mr. Hammer, meet Mr. Nail ! ! !
- Scira, on 10/14/2008, -3/+2Whenever i see a Cisco commercial i always think about how little sense that commercial makes. Its always a variant of that one about bringing internet access to third world kids.
- TheGuruStud, on 10/15/2008, -2/+1The problem with the routers are the bugs. If the commands would always work when I used them....
PIXs are a joke. They're a *****. - trollick, on 10/14/2008, -4/+3So... I will not be able to use the internets if I use windows?
- Phlosten, on 10/15/2008, -3/+1Crappy crap crappidty crap
- TheGuruStud, on 10/14/2008, -5/+3Cisco can kiss my ass. The routers are *****. The switches and higher end wireless works fine, but it's all preposterously priced. And werd on DD-WRT (or tomato if you don't need all the features).
I'd use a wrt-350n as business router, especially considering it would cost less than 100 bucks. - nanostream, on 10/14/2008, -16/+13This article is pure crap. Buried.
- theendlessnow, on 10/14/2008, -11/+4Cisco is a CLOSED source company. Closed. Closed, closed, closed, closed, closed, CLOSED!
and btw, they are also a closed source company.
Their use of Linux as a front end to give the appearance of artificial stability will likely also go away as soon as Cisco is satisfied that BSD (or other quasi-free non-GPL OS) can do what they want.
And with regards to the Cisco vs. Microsoft war.... what war? Cisco will kill Ballmer on the lips if it means a huge sale...
I'd be very careful of reaching out to anything resembling an olive branch that comes from Cisco. - wheel3r6, on 10/14/2008, -12/+4GO the Cisco KID; 3 days ago i got a linksys router, if they help driver support for TUX & BSD, They get my MONEY $$$ EVERY TIME.
WELL DONE CISCO
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