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- TheZorch, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26A lot of people try to downplay the gaming industry, especially PC gaming, but they forget that its the gaming industry that drives most of the innovation in the PC market. It is why CPUs gets faster, video cards get more powerful, hard drives get faster and RAM gets larger and faster. If we didn't have computer games we'd still be in a MS-DOS world. Business software doesn't and can't push the PC industry like games do.
- kronix, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20Cedega is outdated anyways. Wine forked to a license that stopped making it possible for Cedega to use their own closed source libraries with Wine over 2 years ago. In reality vanilla Wine probably is just as good as Cedega and is still open source and free(beer and freedom). This is Mandriva trying to stay relevant....
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -10/+26Mandriva costs money. Why not just buy Cedega for whatever Linux version you want and skip paying for Mandriva? Is there any advantage to this?
- Doriath, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16You misunderstand the FREE thingy completely.
- j3one, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11I tried Cedega... It sucks balls. Besides, it should be opensource. But hey, I threw some money their way, and all they did was disapoint.
- dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10From their list of newly supported games...
* rFactor
* Colin McRae Dirt
* Stronghold Legends
* Stronghold Legends
* EVE - Online Revelations II
* Peggle
* Peggle
* Peggle
* Guild War
* Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
That's right, the newly supported list has two dupes on a list of 10. The entire list itself is pretty short.
Until Linux has NATIVE support and installers from third party closed source vendors such as Adobe, Activision, EA, etc. They will forever have an alienating library of Dollar store knockoff software. While I absolutely believe most open source software is extremely high quality, I know this is th mentality of people who don't really follow technology. It seems like someone is trying to give you product to replace the one you really want, and we all know that substitutes, no matter the quality, are not the thing they intend to replace. Just look at The Gimp. - arcticblue, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I just want to add something about Cedega (I haven't ready the posts yet, so sorry if something similar has already been posted)...
I subscribed to Transgaming for about 2 years because they were making great progress a while ago. But, 6.0 was a huge letdown. There may have been a lot of underlying changes, but nothing very noticeable to me. Since then, very little work has been done on it and the community gets largely ignored. All of the updates they come out with are just to update WoW compatibility. It seems as though they think that is the only game in existence. Most of the games that they claim are supported, don't work anywhere as near as well as they do under Windows contrary to their claims. The last time I tried Battlefield 2, I couldn't get anything more than the bare minimum graphical settings and that was on a GeForce 7800. They talk about all these new features such as their shader language, but I rarely saw any improvement in graphics or performance. Well, I cancelled my subscription not too long ago and now I just use Wine. Wine seems to be progressing much faster than Cedega (which doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment) and I would much rather have my money go towards supporting the Wine team. Cedega did do one thing that I love though... The games database. It's a database that contains the best individual settings for their supported games. Unfortunately, many games still require tweaking (even WoW) for better performance, but it is a huge help.
Linux is great and it is my OS of choice, but if you are a serious gamer (or rather, you want to play anything besides WoW), then, although the Wine and Cedega developers have made great advances, you might want to keep a Windows partition around.
Just my 2 cents. - CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10The actual Win32 emulation might be better in Wine, but the advantage Cedega has is in all the licensed proprietary stuff like disc DRMs etc.
- jonnyeh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8yay DRM!
- hardcorerikki, on 10/10/2007, -10/+17Mandriva is very user friendly, efficient and fast codewise (yes, much more than Ubuntu, who wins on hype first. texstar of PClinuxOS used to be a Mandriva employee).
Tried the Powerpack myself. If Cedega wasn't bundled into that, I'd have stuck with the unsatisfying Wine, and possibly even reverted to Windows because of that. When FlatOut runs in Linux nearly as fast as in Windows, that's only one more reason to stick with it.
OEM-bundling Cedega with Linux, would directly compete with XP as an out-of-the-box solution, and is to be applauded. Bundling also would brings Cedega to home users even more cheaply, when noone would've stepped up to get it no matter how great it was, before.
It doesnt look outrageous to pay for such a nice Linux experience. Not like you'll be buying 15 distros this years. - stoanhart, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Cedega blows. I have more luck with Wine, and that's far from "seamless and transparent".
I once contemplated buying Cedega for CSS. I figured hey, it's on the supported titles list, it will work for sure. Just to make sure I wasn't about to waste my money, I grabbed a pirate copy to give it a shot. CSS did NOT work. At least in wine I got to the main menu. I periodically download newer versions to try, and I am disappointed every time. If it ever does what it claims to do, I may consider paying. For now, however, stick to Wine! - wolfger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6seamlessly? transparently? That's really overstating Cedega's ability by quite a bit. The games that do work play quite well, but there's an awful lot of support requests on Cedega's site for something that's "seamless, transparent".
- FreakTrap, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6While I too am interested in benchmarks, your ideology that there is very little hardware support on the linux is no longer an absolute reality.
- drakelord, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Running on Ubuntu, I had ~5FPS higher running in OpenGL than I did running Windows XP Direct X.
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Neither is Vista though, so if you have to buy a new computer you now have an alternative to Vista.
- twoboxen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Me too... plus the subscription model (when I paid for it a while ago--not sure if they still use that) was complete BS. If I buy an application, I want it to be mine to use for as long as I want it. Not $5/month. ridiculous.
- tyme, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Mandriva costs money if you buy one of the boxed products, but there is still a free download-able version. Yes, Cedega does not come with the free version (I'm guessing because Cedega costs money). But, if you are a person who likes Mandriva, and perhaps you want to support their business instead of being a free-loader, then you may find an advantage to purchasing the product (they are a for-profit company, after all). If, however, you don't see any purpose in supporting your distribution of choice (or you don't like Mandriva), then no, you probably won't find an advantage.
- MWeather, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Then you must have a computer that exceeds the requirements. Vista takes up more system resources than XP. If you get the same performance in 2142, then you must exceed the hardware requirements by quite a bit.
- 2Bnor2B, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Games are the only item seriously restricting the Mac (although this is rapidly changing now that a few publishers are offering concurrent Mac titles) . This has always been one of Microsoft's methods to force us to upgrade. Very few users would be interested in dropping XP and more would venture into the Linux/Mac world if gaming was not an issue. Why do you think DX10 is only for Vista and they continue to encourage vendors to make "Vista Only" titles? With publishers giving a a second look to Mac and the powers of the new generation of gaming consoles, people are reevaluating their computer needs.
I disagree with "If we didn't have computer games we'd still be in a MS-DOS world. " If Microsoft did not come up with an inexpensive GUI interface they would not still be in business. I remember when Windows first came out, the the phase of the day was "Just like a Mac" - hockey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5They are too busy getting ready to bring gaming to the Mac to be bother with Linux anymore :(
Hey Mac users this is what Steve Jobs meant when he said gaming was coming to the Mac. For once listen to the Linux crowd, drop the Reality Distortion Field and realize that NATIVE Mac gaming is still a pipe dream despite whatever Jobs has told you. - hardcorerikki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Agreed. A subscription model isn't the best way to make business acceptably, but I thought only getting updates required subscription (as in, Cedega doesnt magically stop working if you miss a monthly payment)
- Ademan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Then there's crossover which has its own GUI, crossover is built directly on top of wine rather than being a collection of old code ripped off from wine back when it was more permissively licensed. The WINE devs have been creating regressions TO REMOVE OLD TRANSGAMING HACKS. Cedega works because of these game specific hacks, but it means new games can't be supported right away, wheras if WINE were to reach a completed state, all games should be playable, rather than requiring game specific code.
- drakelord, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5As a Linux user, I'd normally agree with you. But until we get more out of box support for new games, I don't think that Linux is going to be very competitive to 90% of the gamers out there.
- djauto23, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5If you're a gamer who wants to use Linux, no. But if you're a Linux user who plays games occasionally, sacrificing some FPS for not having to reboot can be a good tradeoff.
- burty89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4And they listened, so they deserve the custom of anyone who wants to support Linux (and other open OSs).
- rocknrolf77, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Cedega is not linux gaming. Neither is wine. Give me native games!
- duke_nate, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8You FAIL at life.
- burty89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Open source nvidia drivers? As far as I'm aware there's only nouveau, and its nowhere close to playing 3D games with acceleration yet. For now, I'd stick with ATI or Intel. Maybe if enough people do avoid nvidia, they'll get the message & open up some specifications.
- omababy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4***** Cedega, thieve'n pricks
- Breepee, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Because Apple is sort of riding on the Intel wave that PC gaming is making happen.
- Swarmie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Not a supporter of Cedega, especially when its nothing special compared to the free Wine.
A beautiful interface, yay? - bmartin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3linux-gamers.net has a walkthrough on installing Cedega for free. I just followed it and attempted to install the single game that I keep XP around for, Fate, a sequel to the Diablo games. It doesn't work in Cedega.
I'll remain a freeloader. $5/mo for something that doesn't play non-bleeding-edge games is ridiculous. Don't waste your money on it if it doesn't work. If you want to try it out, visit the site, run the script (it compiles everything for you), and you can try Cedega. If you like it and will pay to not have to compile it, go for it. I'm sticking with Wine and my dual-boot setup. - MWeather, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Lots of games run better in Linux because Linux itself takes up less of the system's resources.
- martalli, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Apple is taking advantage of the cost savings of a common platform. However, it is even more true that Apple is taking advantage of their BSD-based OS, which can be ported from platform to platform much the same as Linux and BSD (OSX is simply a BSD derivative, of course).
I doubt that games are driving any one thing in the PC world except video cards. Even then, there are specific cards made for business settings (eg, ATI Fireball). PC Gaming is only one of several tasks that drive innovation in x86 hardware which includes usage from NAS, word processing, firewalls, servers, and lots more. I would suspect that x86 is not even the best platform for every single task, but the economies of scale weigh in its favor. - SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2So you mean that before the Intel switch, Macs didn't get more porwerful? Is a G5 exactly as powerful as an original 68000-based Mac?
- Breepee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2When your subscription ends, you can and are allowed to backup and use every binary you've downloaded from them.
A a subscription is 3 moths minimum, you can won the latest Cedega for $15. That's not bad at all. - IndigoMoss, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Because Mac's use PC hardware now.
- slackerbox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2He didn't specify WHICH Warcraft. From what I gathered, the original DOS Warcraft: Orcs & Humans runs better in Linux than Windows.
- taintedzodiac, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Really? I've never had much luck with getting WoW to run faster on Linux. Haven't tried lately.
- dadioflex, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3If you have an SLI system to play games then you're a dick to be using anything BUT Windows. This is like buying some really expensive high heels and complaining that you can't foxtrot in a swamp.
- troye, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2mandriva is like the windows of linux distros. u can click and do everything but you can unleash the penguin when u need to. it has hardware support and scripts to do everything imaginble.
i used linux for like 2 years straight; trying out various distros (slackware, ubuntu, redhat, dsl, mandriva). d00d linux is getting juicier by the day, maybe i'll switch back :) - tech42er, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I know. It's freaking amazing. When I bought my laptop, I chose an AMD/ATI setup since I thought ATI would get open osurced or at least improved once ATI bought them. For the next year, it was "***** ATI! Boycott ATI! Use nvidia" and then, finally, ATI OS'd the drivers and now everyne loves ATI. It's so shocking.
- deroderugridder, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Some games run already faster on linux than on Windows..
( warcraft eg. ) - omababy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Vikas Gupta?
- Dan2552, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Strange, on Battlefield 2142 I get the same framerates on Vista as I do with XP...
- stmiller, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why would it be old? This is the developer bleeding-edge CVS. It is ahead of the releases. You can read the developer mailing list, and view the constant changes and bug fixes going on in the CVS.
http://lists.transgaming.org/pipermail/winex-cvs-l ... - LinuxKitty, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Unreal Tournament 2008 and X3 are only weeks away. :)
- stmiller, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The source is always available for free, and is of course up to date. It is their latest CVS repository.
http://www.cedega.com/sources.php - keyo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I believe ET: QuakeWars is coming too. If we could run something like crysis that'd really be great, no dx10 for a while I'm guessing.
When native games come it will *really* be the year of the linux desktop. Apple isn't even at that point yet :( . - Breepee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why am I modded down?
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