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Canonical launches Web-based systems management for Ubuntu
linux-watch.com — Canonical, the company behind the Ubuntu Linux distribution, announced on July 22 at the Ubuntu Live conference in Portland, Ore., the availability of Landscape, its Web-based systems management program for Ubuntu servers and desktops.
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- mogydy, on 10/10/2007, -5/+23Wow, this will make system configuration and management easier than ever. Go Canonica, this is exactly the kind of features that will make Ubuntu viable for businesses
- trghpy, on 10/10/2007, -12/+4Yea, this is totally not a rip off of webmin or anything.
- TonyCubed, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5Does it ***** matter if it's a rip off? If it's good for us users who need it and to businesses. It's win win, stop being a ***** about it.
- MWeather, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2In what way is this like Webmin?
- trghpy, on 10/10/2007, -12/+4Yea, this is totally not a rip off of webmin or anything.
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -8/+5Here's the press release:
Ubuntu Launches Update Service for Support Subscribers
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| Canonical has announced the availability of Landscape, its web-based systems
| management tool for Ubuntu servers and desktops.
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http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/linux/10841/ubuntu-launches-update-service-support-subscribers - trghpy, on 10/10/2007, -20/+8*Cough* Rip off of webmin *Cough*
- sjvn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4It's a Lot more than Webmin.
Steven - staplez, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Rip off? There aren't even screenshots of it on their web page. Saying it's a rip off is like saying OSX is a rip off of Windows 3.11 right now. Which is to say there's no evidence of what you're talking about unless you're saying creating a web administration tool is a rip off of other web administration tools. In that case you're a rip off because somewhere out there someone named themselves trghpy before you, so you ripped that guy off.
- TheHydrogens, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Besides drawing sympathy for your bronchitis, what is your point?
- MrAlphabet, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Webmin has some severe security issues, namely the requirement of a root account which ubuntu does not have out of the box. I have had several conversations with some of the server team regarding ubuntu + webmin and each has expressed their concerns over webmin security.
Beyond security issues, the generalization that webmin has holds it back from being a great distro specific tool.
Canonical is making the right move by looking outside the webmin box. - ryanknapper, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9I read that Apple is releasing a phone. Just like Nokia!
- krewemaynard, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3How is it a ripoff if Webmin is open source? Seems like a brilliant idea to use Wembin, or even just the concept of it, as a starting point. Hopefully it will also help improve Webmin in the longrun.
/i took the troll's bait...couldn't help myself - Amablue, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I don't know what WebMin is, but if Ubuntu didn't make a program with the features of it then instead of people complaining "Rip off!" we'd have people complaining "Ubuntu needs features XYZ!"
It's better to improve rather than to remain stubborn and unchanging. Even if the feature has been done before, if they implement it themselves it's all fine.
- sjvn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4It's a Lot more than Webmin.
- dysfunct, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Sweet. Now I can play that killer Cube game from anywhere.
- daxsymbiont, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3does canonical only hold the name rights? can they shut down the project if they wanted to?
- PJBonoVox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Probably, looks like it's closed source. Tossers.
- revdan, on 10/10/2007, -10/+0http://searchwarp.com/swa232762.htm
- redcard, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Well, I have no real interest in this, because it's only available to support contract people. I do not financially support Ubuntu through the Support contracts, so I would not be able to access this product.
- mabhatter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'm with redcard, I think this kind of function is critical to the OS and belongs in every shipment, not as a support "extra" that's the same afterthought thinking that M$ pulls with their tools.
Managing systems should be MANDATORY, even with just 1 system! Then when you add a second machine it is automatically picked up. Computers are about Networks now, not machines. It's also about connections, not static builds... I want to manage my DSL router, my storage hard drives, USB flash drives, and printers.. to move or share them between machines without further configuration. Home and hobby users have much more complex setups than most corporate users because corporate users are locked to only what IT buys for them.. Security is more important as well because it's Home users that don't know their network settings and get zombified much more than corporate machines.
Like the idea of an online option for support, that would be very clever for remotely connected machines that bosses and sales use. But the core features should be included on EVERY install... that's a "killer" feature that Microsoft doesn't have!!!- Gaki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'm with you on this one. The day is coming when having a media server in your home along with several systems, some embedded, some desktops, some notebooks, etc. is going to be commonplace. I already have 5 machines at home myself. If I could centrally administer them, it would be a dream come true, but I'm sure not going to pony up $250 USD a year for it. Why not a home version for a reduced cost?
- mabhatter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'm with redcard, I think this kind of function is critical to the OS and belongs in every shipment, not as a support "extra" that's the same afterthought thinking that M$ pulls with their tools.
- tboutcher, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8screen shot pretty please?
- ysandhu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2yes i would like to see screen shot... I checked there support pricing.. and i guess it's to much for me. I would like to have some web based tool but can still survive with ssh comparing this pricing
- Stromgol, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0http://www.canonical.com/landscape
- vampyr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Interesting idea. Sounds like its building on top of webmin (which is an awesome tool)
- alexandreracine, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Or cfengine...
- tech9lab, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0damm i need my laptop to start my ubuntu career!
- GerryBot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Don't care about the h8rs, this is a major step forward for Linux, and something that's essential to move Linux into the corporate arena. Also, it's great to see this coming from Canonical given the news I read about Linspire on Digg earlier today. You can't fault their dedication to the penguin....
- arobar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1There are other monitoring and management tools out there that work quite well. Zenoss and Zabbit are two that come to mind. Zenoss has just released a new version, and in my testing I've been quite impressed. It doesn't match one of the tools you'd pay tens of thousands for (eg. Kaseya), but it does a great job.
- simonjones13, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1I have been working on a similar project for some time now. Hmm me needs to have a look at their beta.
- rabidstrike, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1really?
- rabidstrike, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1really?
- rabidstrike, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1really?
- arobar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Link us up man! Don't tease us with an OSS version of this without giving us something to look at.
- jahill, on 10/10/2007, -6/+0so lame
- arobar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Did you have any particular reasons for being a douche this morning, or is it just good old fashioned OSS hatred?
- muszek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There's a landscape-client package in official repositories. here's the description:
This package is currently empty, but will be updated to contain a client for
the Landscape system. Landscape is a web-based tool for managing Ubuntu
systems.
Man, if I only had schestowitz's quoting skills ;)
Anyway, this package's presence might mean that support guys won't be the only ones having access to this software, which IMHO is incredibly cool. not only Linux lacked a decent centralized (as in "one interface for many apps") admin tool, but this one lets you monitor and administer multiple boxes.
P.S. in case you don't have an Ubuntu box around and want to see it for yourself (whatever the reason is :) ) - http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/landscape-client - ryanknapper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This would interest me a great deal more if it weren't tied to their commercial support. I want something that I control, running on my own server, without handing all of my information and a great deal of security to someone else.
- dogStar, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Firstly, what license is being used here?
Secondly, how many support clients do Canonical *actually* have? I can tell you that it ain't that many.- arobar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2How can you actually tell us that Canoical has few support subscribers? If your company just saved thousands on MS licensing fees by moving critical servers to Ubuntu, they can re-invest half of those savings into support and be safe with the knowledge that if their servers go down, they still have someone to call, just like they would with the MS solution. Try pitching a new server OS to your execs without having any support options behind it and see how far you get.
- Oysterville, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1What's wrong with Webmin? Doesn't it do the same thing?
- arobar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Webmin is good for local system management, but this is on a network wide scale. It's like tools such as Kaseya and TriActive, but for Linux. These tools monitor your network, give you status graphs, history, alert you of problems and allow you to deploy patches and software to your entire network. As an added bonus, this tool seems to let you control users, groups and access rights on a global scale, or on an individual PC (at your discretion).
- mohaine, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No. Webmin lets you connect and manage one box while Landscape is for groups of computers. From what I can tell, you will have a web page(on Canonical's web site) that allows you to administer all of your Ubuntu boxes as a group. No need to connect to each box individually. You can approve updates, modify users, and make changes to groups of computers even if the target machines are not currently connected. Once the target machine connects, the changes will be applied.
- dodava, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The issue I see is that a lot of potential enterprise users will not be willing to have a 3rd party run their management platform. There are too many potential security issues. This is especially true in the medical, financial, and government sectors.
It would be smarter to offer it both as a service, which will appeal to SMBs, and as a product which can be installed and managed in house by large enterprises. - neowolfwitch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Red Hat has been doing this for years. It's a nice way to charge people for service- you need to pay for a support contract to use it.
I think it is a good way to go for Ubuntu to support itself, especially since most corporate IT departments don't have a problem paying for such support. I just hope they don't alienate their non-corporate users by locking-out updates for desktop users and hobbyists. I'd hate to see Ubuntu fork into free and non-free versions. - zeth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The official page on the Canonical website: http://www.canonical.com/landscape
- weizbox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1mmmm, closed source =P
Def not bad tho for companies. Looks pretty promising. - spikeb, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2horray, more proprietary crap from canonical. ***** hypocrites
- PJBonoVox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Landscape will be available to Canonical's support subscribers"
So it's going to encourage Linux users to 'torrent' Linux applications. Basically. Plus it's closed source.
While the Ubuntu fanboys smear their keyboard with jizum, the hypocrisy is the real shining beacon here.
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