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- daveisfera, on 05/26/2009, -2/+38This seems like a much better solution than all the people obsessed with the idea of running Android on a netbook.
- glaroc, on 05/26/2009, -3/+25Google OSS + Ubuntu = happy me
- cesclaveria, on 05/26/2009, -3/+18not by retarded memes
- pHr34kY, on 05/26/2009, -2/+12Now all they need to do is ship Ubuntu with a version of Eclipse that's recent enough to run the Android SDK.
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -0/+8Are you out of your ***** mind?
- shrewduser, on 05/27/2009, -0/+8big bad google? i think microsoft or apple would make me more afraid of lock in.
- shadowspawn, on 05/26/2009, -1/+7Damn, wish I was there. The meeting must've been awesome; this is a great direction to go. (Can you imagine using iphone apps on your computer? I know of some that would be viable and attractive on a computer or non-iPhone. Damn shame apple missed the boat on this one.)
And this is another leap for an easy-to-use SDK.
(Really wish I could've afford to be there. I've been to Barcelona when I was younger when some club down the street got blown up. Good seafood. Weird architecture. Couldn't tell what was underground.) - ell0bo, on 05/27/2009, -1/+6Eclipse comes as a god damn tar ball people, you really don't need a apt-get to install it. In no way can you blame Eclipse performance on Ubuntu's set up. If you're running Eclipse, you really should be capable of untaring it and getting it to run on your own. Ok, you may need to install Java 6 through apt-get.
- JonLatane, on 05/26/2009, -4/+9The rationale behind Android on netbooks is that, if you're just going to use the machine for email, IM, web browsing, and word processing rather than serious multitasking, Android would (with some adaptations for larger screens) be an ideal environment, especially with its fullscreen application layout. Who can accomplish anything with more than one window open on an 8" screen anyway? It's also less resource-intensive than GNOME, UNR, or XFCE while being at least as attractive. Plus, it would be *much* easier to use for the less tech-savvy (I say this after a trip home over the weekend and fixing all the things my parents broke on their computer, so maybe I'm assigning too much precedence to that point).
I do, however, see some other usage scenarios. This would be very useful for Android developers compared to a VM. It might also be pretty handy for some kind of Dashboard-esque widget framework on desktop systems - you could hit F12 (or whatever) and get access to the same calendar, todos, notes, etc. that you have on your phone, synced through the network automatically via CalDAV et al. - Mejogid, on 05/27/2009, -2/+6It has a linux kernel, but a BSD userland and a range of relatively unique, non-standard libraries that combine to make it pretty tough to port between Android and more traditional linux, and difficult to run Android apps with any real level of integration.
- robmausser, on 05/26/2009, -1/+4thats like saying they should make final cut pro work on the iphone.
I just don't think every app would run very well...and the ones that would probably have an Android alternative app that would run much better. - mrBitch, on 05/27/2009, -2/+5You idiot, Android is based on Linux, and is not proprietary.
- zer0mass, on 05/27/2009, -1/+3That is for AMD/ATI to work out.
- piattorney, on 05/27/2009, -1/+3I like this story....its good stuff!
- SteveMax, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2@lemur, you couldn't do "serious multitasking" on a Palm 5 years ago. Palm OS is a single-tasking OS, with only a handful of applications using some very ugly hacks to take over the CPU and pass control for some time to other applications. It was ugly, buggy, not in the OS, and not real multitasking; besides, only trivial applications (such as IRC and IM clients) did it.
- phrstbrn, on 05/26/2009, -1/+3I really wish people would stop whining about this (yes, I realize you weren't whining, but there are a very _large_ number of people who do and don't seem to get it).
If I understand the situation 100% correct (I'm not a packager) Eclipse 3.4 has a huge number of dependency problems, as it requires a few bleeding edge dependencies which break backwards compatibility. I don't know all the specifics, but apparently updating dependency A, B, C, etc to latest version causes a large number of OTHER unrelated software packages to break, which are written to run on an older version. And the latest version of Eclipse won't work on the older version of the dependency.
So you get this situation with a few options.
A) Install the latest library version, screw everything else, they're not important, I want the latest version of Eclipse!
B) Backport Eclipse 3.4 to work with an older version of the library
C) Update EVERYTHING ELSE to work with the latest version
D) Release the newer version of Eclipse, it will be half-broken.
E) Don't do anything and stick with an older version of Eclipse.
Option A is clearly not an option, Option B apparently requires more work than the Debian team wants to do (Ubuntu repackages Eclipse directly from Debian, they don't do much, and the Java Debian team apparently doesn't doesn't care too much about Eclipse for whatever reason), Option C will take a long time to finish (think in months/years). Option D doesn't solve anything. So they pick Option E and call it a day.
There are a few people who have tried to package it, but they're all _very_ buggy. If I was going to blame anybody for this mess, I'd put the blame on Eclipse for making it so god awful difficult to package correctly.
If you really need Eclipse 3.4, you can download the binaries from the website yourself. There are a few integration issues which can be only fixed with modifying the source, but fixing that leads you back to the beginning of this digression. - warp99, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2@Mejogid - Thank you, you said it the best.
It's because of the non-standard environment that porting to run on Ubuntu helps avoid any lock-in to Google with you applications. You would have the exact same thing as with the iPhone or Windows Mobile, no portability whatsoever without Ubuntu's interpretor. - truck87bp, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1Microsoft's bad days are growing.
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1You're kidding right?
- mrBitch, on 05/27/2009, -1/+2Even better, since this will also be able to be used by other Linux distros :
Moblin + Android apps = wow.
PS: To test run Moblin, why not try this OpenSuse build with the Moblin UI integrated into it :
http://bit.ly/moblinOnOpenSUSE - SteveMax, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1Isn't there an "Option F: have Ubuntu developers backport Eclipse or upgrade what breaks over newer libraries instead of waiting for Debian"? I don't know how things work between Debian and Ubuntu, but if Ubuntu is an actual distribution and not just a rebranded & repackaged Debian, they should work on getting their distribution to work as their users want instead of just pointing fingers to a third party.
- ungamedplayer, on 05/27/2009, -1/+2I'm not whining, as I've never had the problem as I am a fedora user.
It looks as though Fedora has overcome a lot of these library problems by actually dealing with the problem rather than waiting for someone else to come along and fix it. I'd expect ubuntu to pick up a lot of these fixes in current +1 (maybe +2). <obvious troll> Don't worry Ubuntu will always be "cutting edge". </obvious troll>
Your option C isn't too hard ( at least as far as I can tell as the Fedora guys have had it working for 6 months already), there might be some third party proprietary code in ubuntu which breaks hard
Option E is just the slackers way out, pointing fingers is never the solution.
Its obviously _not_ eclipses packaging problem, (since java is cross platform and my pointy haired managers keep telling me this) and it is working and packaged in Fedora. If the finger was to be pointed anywhere it should be at Ubuntu and its upstream doesn't have the engineering efforts to pull it off. - mrBitch, on 05/28/2009, -0/+1@ warp99, sorry for my previous comment, I assumed you were part of the "let's destroy Android because it's unwanted by Microsoft" brigade.
But, I have to point out, even with Mejogid's better explanation, Android is NOT proprietary to Google.
Google is only in this to try and make a stand against OTHER proprietary attempts to high-jack web standards (flash, silverlight, etc.) - Nephersir7, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1With all the new Android phones that will be released by 2010, I hope the Android Market will gain some additional developper love. Combine that with netbooks running Ubuntu Netbook Remix + Android apps that have multi-touch trackpads and/or screens, and everyone is happy!
/fingers crossed - ungamedplayer, on 05/27/2009, -2/+3I think what the original poster meant was 'desktop', not "yet another bit of apple hardware that must be purchased"
- piznut, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1I like to write audio apps. I've got a few fun little VST plugins under my belt as well as some custom audio processing stuff.
Try to write an app that has anything to do with sound synthesis using the exist Android SDK...oops...can't
Sure, you can take advantage of hardware for rendering decent 3d graphics but for some strange reason they didn't decide to extend the audio capabilities of the hardware in the same way.
Dont get me wrong, I love my G1...but I was really disappointed to see how weak the audio api's in the SDK are. - yuretsz, on 05/30/2009, -0/+0My unnurtured installed Linux, saw that it is not like windows and afraided of it and said tat it was *****.
Fixed - ungamedplayer, on 05/27/2009, -1/+1OP hasn't tried hard enough or written JNI on the phone.
- Stemp, on 05/26/2009, -2/+2http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/2009/05/android-full-sc ...
- warp99, on 05/30/2009, -0/+0@mrbitch
Yes most of Andriod is released under the Apache license that's true, but the Ubuntu interpreter helps alleviate any remaining fears about the dreaded "lock-in" that the "Microsoft brigade" has been spouting.
My original comment was actually poking fun at the "Microsoft brigade" since they're the ones who are afraid of the big bad Google. Tra la la la la! - piznut, on 05/26/2009, -2/+1Now if only Google could go ahead and finish the damn SDK. Sure its great for most things, but the ultraparanoid hardware abstraction blows donkey balls. Maybe I WANT to crash my phone!
- zer0mass, on 05/27/2009, -1/+0???
- LoudMusic, on 05/27/2009, -3/+2This would certainly help convince me to get an Android phone. Getting to play with cool apps, fo'free, and thinking the whole time "I want this on my phone ..."
- mrBitch, on 05/27/2009, -2/+1RE : "... Can you imagine using iphone apps on your computer? I know of some that would be viable and attractive on a computer or non-iPhone. Damn shame apple missed the boat on this one. "
Well, if the rumours of Apple's "netbook" touch pad device that runs the iPhone OS are true, then maybe Apple hasn't missed that boat yet... - inactive, on 05/27/2009, -2/+0The prostitute in your picture is kinda hot.... kinda.
- blapierre, on 05/27/2009, -4/+2Woah, a whole 15"?
- lemur, on 05/27/2009, -4/+2Why would android be less capable at multitasking? It runs on a Linux kernel. The only point is that Android custom made for devices with fewer resources and smaller displays, which is what netbooks are. I do "serious" multitasking on my BlackBerry, and I did it on my Palm Pilot 5 years ago.
Having more than one window open with an 8" screen is perfectly manageable; you just view one window at a time and switch between them at will. My desktop has a 15" display and I still only -look- at one window at a time... my eyes don't focus on two different places at once, so I certainly can't read two windows simultaneously, and neither can I type or do input to more than one window at once... I have to pick one. - depro9, on 05/27/2009, -3/+1***** SWEEET!!!
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -3/+0RACIST!
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -4/+0Wrong, this is FOSS. It is every users resopnsibility to reverse engineer their own drivers. Don't be lazy.
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -5/+1Ahmen !!
- X0rn, on 05/26/2009, -9/+4It would be much cooler more if they`d aim to make Ubuntu apps work on Android
- topcat5, on 05/26/2009, -11/+2I would like it if they would do something as basic as getting ATI based video cards to work with Ubuntu.
- warp99, on 05/26/2009, -13/+3Another way to avoid lock-in with Android for all those who are afraid of the big bad Google.
- mashedup, on 05/27/2009, -11/+0Why would anyone use ubuntu anyway when they can use Windows? It seems to me that a lot of people pretend to use ubuntu or even apple or linux but really they dont cause its not very advanced and its like a dumb terminal thing with just commands and stuff. I had a friend who used linux once and he said it was *****. Anyway cant wait for Windows 7 - rock on with the new magic MS - yeah!
- RandallMc, on 05/26/2009, -27/+4***** Ubuntu
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