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- moofree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Offtopic: That picture of the kitty near the bottom... sooo cutte...
/me turns back on his testosterone - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Dugg for cat.
- Xsecrets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8yeah gnome really needed something the nautilus crap is like trying to use the built in burning in winxp. IMO K3B is the best burning app I've ever used on any platform, so they've got some big shoes to fill for people moving from it.
- moofree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Well this is GTK based, so it integrates a little better with gnome users.
I'm fine with NeroLinux and K3b, but I welcome all new useful software :) - nTensify, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7K3B has been in development since sometime in the early 2000s (I can't recall correctly, but I switched from KDE to GNOME in 2003 and I've been using K3B since then), this thing's barely a year old, and quite impressive for the features it already sports, and definitely will be replacing K3B as my default CD burning app on my system.
Now, if the GNOME community could just get it together and make Anjuta not a piece of *****, I can kick my Qt habit completely.. - sq377, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8i'm using gnome, xgl, and amarok... i have no problems.
- nTensify, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"and it's been in development longer."
Mozilla Seamonkey's been in development longer than Firefox, but I still prefer Firefox to Seamonkey at least 10:1, if not more.
This new App is designed to make Linux CD Burning more like it is in other OSes (using more common tools such as Toast or Nero), which will greatly improve acceptance of the platform as a whole. That being said...
WHY THE HELL HAS IT TAKEN THIS LONG FOR ANYONE TO FIGURE THIS OUT!?!!!?!!!!!
/rant. - leszek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I am using k3b under gnome because it has more options than the others (even if it is ugly)
i hope that they add a lot of options to this one or it will just be a clone of gnomebaker
example if i want to copy a CD
under bonfire i can choose only the reader and writer device
under k3b i have those options:
choose speed
- options tab:
* simulate
* on the fly
* only create image
* remove image
copy mode (normal/clone)
writing mode (auto/dao/tao/raw)
number of copies
- image tab:
location of image file
+ preview space left on location chosen
- advanced tab:
choose number of read retries (default to 128)
"ignore read errors" option
"no error correction" option
audio:
paranoia mode : (0/1/2/3)
"copy cd text" option
"prefer cd text" option
disclaimer: i know it is an early release that hasn't all the features yet but there is a recent tendency in gnome to remove features that are "too complicated"
apart of that i like the 4 options you have when you launch bonfire :audio project/data project/copy CD/burn image
In k3b there is these 4 : audio project/data cd project/data dvd project/copy cd
If you want burn an image in k3b you have to go in the menu. I have the impression that they didn't put the burn image option because it wouldn't be symmetric anymore with 5 options.
In short: it seems promising, keep the good works and add more features please :)
ps: for the gentoo users, the ebuild of bonfire is in sunrise - bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There is no reason not to use amarok, k3b or even konqueror in Gnome, though the last one might be a bit pointless. Amarok have even removed some of the kdelibs dependencies to make that easier. I run both K3b and amarok in Gnome. Same thing, I only went to gnome to get a better XGL experience.
- Xisting, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Absolutely. I was borderline before the cat. Blows that "hang in there" cat right out of the water.
- dh8r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I love amaroK and konqueror too much to go to GNOME
- 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ntensify
Agreed....completely. - ketsugi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3By the way, if you're on Ubuntu and want to install bonfire via Synaptic, add my repo to your sources.list
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1015464 for instructions - ketsugi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've been using/testing Bonfire since the 0.3.0 release and it's really great.
http://perso.orange.fr/bonfire/ for direct link - redxii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow, i'm impressed. GNOME Baker would attempt to write to my DVD-ROM instead of my CD-RW, and required manual correction. Even through manually correcting it, I just used the cdrecord command directly (with no problems). Bonfire got it right.
- Snarfy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Mozilla Seamonkey's been in development longer than Firefox, but I still prefer Firefox to Seamonkey at least 10:1, if not more.
This new App is designed to make Linux CD Burning more like it is in other OSes (using more common tools such as Toast or Nero), which will greatly improve acceptance of the platform as a whole. That being said...
WHY THE HELL HAS IT TAKEN THIS LONG FOR ANYONE TO FIGURE THIS OUT!?!!!?!!!!!
/rant."
It's because of this application called cdrecord. I'm sure you've heard of it.
Burning CD-ROMS is not a simple matter. Try writing code that does this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIRC
Since cdrecord already did the hard work, everybody relied on it to do the burning. Most apps are/were just front-ends to this program.
cdrecord is a perfect example of why the unix command line is broken. Using stdin, stdout, & stderr as an interface to a burning engine simply doesn't work, but because rewritting cdrecord (some of the worst c code I've ever seen) would have been to hard to do, cd recording on linux suffered for a long time.
We would have probably been stuck with cdrecord forever, except this happened: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/10/msg00487.html
Jorg Schilling pissed off a lot of people. A lot of new cd projects started because of that crap he pulled.
Now we have *real* cd recording libraries and can write *real* apps. THAT is why it has taken so long. - apache2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I love k3b :(
- drLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, it Looks cool!
- Derrekito, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I don't see anything wrong with k3b at all... so why the need for a "killer"?
- idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@nTensify
"This new App is designed to make Linux CD Burning more like it is in other OSes (using more common tools such as Toast or Nero), which will greatly improve acceptance of the platform as a whole."
I've never used another OS to burn discs, but I can't find anything wrong or difficult about the way I currently do it.
I can burn audio by selecting tracks from my music player, and I can burn data by popping in a blank disc and then dragging the files to the burn window that pops up. Burning ISOs is as simple as right-clicking them and selecting "Write to disc" from the menu.
It's implemented very nicely in my opinion. How do other OSs do it? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm happy with the way k3b is right now. Maybe if Bonfire offer something more than what's shown, maybe I'll switch.
- PapaMoomin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1K3B is excellent (my burner software of choice) and as a KDE user it integrates nicely with my setup. If I was a Gnome user though, I would prefer a GTK app such as this (if it had same level of features as K3B).
On the whole, these are both looking like promising candidates that provide people with more choice. Improvements in either app will hopefully make their way to the other being open source. Power to them both I say! - gollo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@leszek: You can add as many buttons as you want to K3B when it opens. Just right click and add the "Burn CD(DVD) ISO Image"
- ronaldb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hey! This could be a K3b killer! Or.. maybe not.
This should do great on the digg nation pod cast - typical Kevin statement....:) - Criterion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ooooooohhh! What a cute scottish fold kitten! Sorry, off topic, but it IS! I just melted hehe.
Dugg for widdle kitty kat. Oh, and also cool Gnome burner :D. Nice to be done with K3B, it just doesn't fit my desktop, me having the Gnome bent that I do. - jameshales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I really like K3B. Some of the other GUI utilities I've tried haven't been as good because their simplicity is confusing (mostly GTK-based apps). It is nice then to see a GTK-based app aspire to be more like K3B.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I like GnomeBaker. Does a lot of the same things and it's been in development longer.
- BillyEveryteen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Much easier on the eyes than the abomination that is K3b.
- ShyGuy91284, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Sounds like Good News. I currently use XFce, which I think of as somewhere between a full desktop environment like Gnome/KDE and a more simplistic one like Fluxbox (Used to use Gnome, and XFce is heavily Gnome based, so I'm a Gnome fan). I'm glad to see applications popping up for burning on Gnome. They need to work together more though and make a real k3b killer though, because I'd rather take one great fully featured app (k3b) over three or so partially-implemented apps, even if it does cause massively long compile times (Gentoo user, and KDE based libraries have among the lengthiest build times, even compared to Gnome).
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1CDBurnerXP is the only freeware I found that actually managed to burn SUSE to a DVD. I recommend for burning any ISO images you may need to boot from.
- jsilva, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Try cdburnerxp, it's free, for windows: http://www.cdburnerxp.se/features.php
- sorpigal, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1This is written with ease of use in mind? Clearly it's only paying GNOME-style attention to usability. Limiting features instead of designing a good UI.
In English we read Top-Left to Bottom-Right. The natural flow of the CD mastering project, files->project->burn, suggests that the "File Selection" area should be to the LEFT of or ABOVE the "Files selected area" and that the "Continue/Burn" option should be Below and or to the Right of the "Files Selected" area. This way the natural "starting place" for the English world, which is the top-left, will contain what you need to start with: Files you want burned.
K3b gets this mostly right. They have the "Folder selection" top-left and the "File selection" top-right. The "Files selected" is then below these things, and the burn button... a bit out of place. (I am constantly looking for it in the lower-right corner.) The fact that K3B suffers from the usual KDE lack of tightness in a few areas (example: I'm annoyed with the way the tree list does not scroll right so that I can actually see when I expand a subtree) does not make the overall usability worse than that of this GNOME equivalent.
And this GNOME app has some of the same problems as well: Its "Search results" box is ridiculously small. I like the searching, but not if I can't see what I found.
And also, let me add this: Vertical screen space is HUGE, horizontal screen space is FIXED. Horizontal scroll bars are usability nightmares. No, don't just rip them out! Design your application so that they mostly wont be needed. Do it by stacking things top-to-bottom rather than left-to-right if you're likely to run into variable-width content in those boxes like, say, a file name. Users are used to scrolling down, but not very used to scrolling right. When you use the full width available you can fit an entire record in view at once... maybe only one record at a time, but I'd rather see all of one than the first bit of many--at least for most apps. - ziptnf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0There would be absolutely no reason for me to switch to Bonfire. I use k3b and I love it. I've never had any problems with it.
Oh, and btw, all you people with the arguments about GNOME and KDE, I use Fluxbox, and I use applications from both Desktop Environments. Who cares if it starts up slower? - Sheruno, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1You can try Banshee, is not the same of Amarok but is a start
- nemoder, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0or if you want burning software that doesn't require all of KDE or Gnome then try out graveman or xcdroast.
- kstagg, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Very pretty. If only there were freeware this sharp for Windows?
- idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I switched to Gnome for XGL. I really miss amaroK, but Rhythmbox or Listen! are both bearable substitutes.
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