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- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -3/+72Don't fear the command line...it can smell fear.
- ibis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+62Talk to ATI, they're the ones who write ***** Linux drivers.
- latova, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50zeenus is expressing excitement, allow or cancel?
- MikeEnIke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46Rival? How about completely own. Bubba vs. Sally Prison Style.
- zeenus, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45ZOMG! I was waiting for this! Hope this is proves as a party pooper for Vista!
- Narwaffle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Beryl is a fantastic little app. It doesn't need a relatively hefty computer to run, and it's visual effects rival Vista.
- dystopianray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25How is this old news? Beryl was only put into the Ubuntu feisty repository yesterday.
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25That is most likely due to the ***** Linux ATI drivers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21That doesn't even make sense.
- latova, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19My guess is that he put his hard drive into the microwave.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19According to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=371700 , compiz is already preinstalled by default. Has anything changed since? Mark wrote some more about this in his personal blog last night: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/102 . Either way, it looks encouraging for those of us who(se friends) are afraid of the command line.
- Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Meh, i'd rather use the beryl repository anyway, just like i prefer the WINE repository, keeps you much more up to date.
- elvisshock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I had similar problems. But that can be solved. DO NOT install the proprietary ATI drivers, just use the free ones built into ubuntu edgy. Also, do not use XGL, just use AIGLX (supported by default by the free drivers and Xorg 7.1) so you dont really need to do much, just install beryl and run.... no need to install any proprietary drivers etc. AND IT WORKS !!!!
However you will not get as good performance as the proprietary drivers, but at least stuff will work. - AshtonKe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10It's not turned on by default, silly. Either way, I've found Beryl (and it's more stable but less feature-rich relative Compiz) to take less memory and CPU during peak moments (118mb of Ram and a max of 25% CPU (on one core, the other was always close to 4%, it's a 2.0Ghz dual core) with rain on the desktop, and rotating it all on a cube, with transparency effects), than Vista takes when idle (517mb last time I was at Compusa, didn't check CPU usage).
But, the important note is that Ubuntu (and most well made Linux distros) never turns on things like that by default. Windows tends to try assume what you want to do, with a myriad of multiple 'features' which are enabled by default. Whereas most top Linux distros (there are some bad ones out there) tend to ask more "What do you want me to do," and will assume that you will do things manually, and turn on the provided features as you find uses/reasons to use/turn them on for.
That and Ubuntu is still cheaper. Free vs. $300, I'll take free thanks. - dumbkiwi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@dezmd
Beryl is not just about fluff. It's also about usability enhancements. See here for a least of great usability features in the latest release:
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=92
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=101
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=102
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=104
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=105
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=107
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=106
A nice showcase of usability features with videos. - AshtonKe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I cannot think of a way Ubuntu could kill a NTFS partition, unless if you were foolish enough to mount it (either by command line, or through the install process). I say this, because I have 2 IDE drives, the second of which holds my data (movies, games, music), and the first holds 2 operating systems. The first partition is Windows XP, the second has changed multiple times. From Ubuntu 6.06, to 6.10, to Kubuntu 6.06, to BlueWhite_64, to a failed attempt at OpenSuSe (install errors), to Berry, to rPath, and finally to Gentoo. During all of these, both of my NTFS partitions have remained untouched.
To make it short: sounds like user error to me. - craig79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You go to -
http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
and follow all the steps - UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Here is the thing though, Beryl doesn't eat up system resources (or at least a lot of them). So you can have your cake and eat it too.
- AshtonKe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Agreed. But again, Ubuntu doesn't (or shouldn't, I don't use it) assume that you want Beryl, or Compiz. It shouldn't assume that your machine is capable of supporting it either. Making it available is a great idea, hell even pre-installed, since it seems to be picky about dependencies, and a lot of people seem to want it.
That's the beauty of the system. Things like this are freely available, but nobody assumes you want them by default (ala Microsoft). They're there, possibly installed (sometimes not), available to you if you want them. - crimsun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As one of the Ubuntu devs who worked with Beryl upstream to get these packages into shape, the missing binary packages that prevent beryl from being installed right this moment have not been accepted in binary-NEW form (they've already been accepted in source-NEW) yet. This will happen next week. Most of staff have been working our (well, the desktop team, of which I'm not a part) butts off to get Beta released, so give the archive admins a few days to recover.
- scilec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I run Beryl on my Fedora Core 6 desktop with a crappy little $10 nVidia card and it looks beautiful. I switched to the nVidia card after going through too much frustration with ATI's abysmal driver support. I'm also playing with an Unbutu virtual machine and I'm going to start looking at VMware's experimental support for graphics acceleration.
IMHO, Beryl runs circles around Vista's eye candy and because it's on Linux, it seems to give my old Pentium 2.4 box peppier performance than Win XP or Vista on a high-end system.
I'm also pretty excited about the prospect of Beryl merging back with Compiz again.
Now if Fedora could only get their yum depots in order... - UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I find Beryl very stable, and have been using it for about three months now. The stability has gone up signifactly since I first installed it, and I haven't had an issue with it in about 2 1/2 months.
- computerwiz_222, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes, blame the microwave on everything... BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO WHEN YOU ARE IN A PINCH AND MUST HAVE A PIZZA POCKET!!
- AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Those are some complicated instructions."
Not really. They're 95% copy-n-paste. They just look complicated because there's a lot of information there. My advice would be to just go for it. It's the only way you can really learn this stuff. Just make sure to make a copy of your xorg.conf file first. Do this from a command line:
sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
...enter your password when prompted. Then, if you later reach a situation where your graphical interface won't start, just reverse the filenames to restore your settings, and restart the XServer:
sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
startx - marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11cancel.
- diargasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5So as someone who is a beginner linux ubuntu user, how do I go about installing it?
- cookdsc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4spiralspirit
this should get beryl to work for you.
Start fresh and install your driver like so.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
Then install beryl http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
most likely at that point it will not work, (doesn't for me with an ati x1300 laptop card....) but then you have to downgrade the beryl /xgl packages using the synaptic package manager. I had to go all the way down to 0.14 I hope this helps you. - AshtonKe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Relies on GTK+? That's strange, under Gentoo, there is a separate use flag (which controls optional dependencies and features, for you non-Gentoo heathens out there) for Gnome, and KDE.....
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4For the future, try and buy Nvidia graphics cards. They really are a lot better then ATI driver-wise and not just on Linux, but Windows too.
- AshtonKe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I hope Compiz/Beryl get together too. If they do, I'll grab source and start perusing, looking for possible patches. But there is still some crap to solve, mostly the differences in the way they want patches to be committed. Beryl's method gets more patches, and tends to produce a myriad of nice features, and some instability. Compiz's method is very slow and methodical, and is less conducive to adding tons of features, but produces (purportedly, I've never used Compiz, last time I tried it failed to compile, I got it to work with Beryl after a few tries, all errors in compile were my fault) a stabler system. We'll see. Until then, I think I'll look into Songbird's code.
- JonLatane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@elvisshock
I don't think using the free built-in drivers will work since he has an X1600. The open-source drivers (default) don't support 3D acceleration at all for X1000+ series cards, at least not last I heard. Desktop Effects works great on my laptop with a Mobility Radeon X300 though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@estvir
Nobody is pretending that MS is competing with Beryl fx. We just say that Beryl totally owns it in terms of effects and its lower resource usage, thus reaffirming that Microsoft either can't code for *****, or has some sort of agreement with hardware manufacturers so people have to buy the newest ***** every 6 months if they want to keep up. Nice going on the straw man argument there. - tranix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ATI's poor Linux compatibility is why I stopped buying their cards and switched to nVidia permanently. I've got a stack of higher-end ati cards sitting in the closet collecting dust. I've offered to friends, but they're difficult to unload since most of them are also switching to Linux w/ compiz/beryl like Mepis or UbuntuUltimate.
- zleilndka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is done because on LCD displays, the highest resolution is usually, most likely always, the LCD's native resolution--the resolution in which images/movies/fonts/documents look best at. So on CRT's I'm guessing it (your Linux distribution) chose the highest resolution that your monitor could display. Default "settings" and default "software" are two different things.
- katina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@AshtonKe
"That's the beauty of the system. Things like this are freely available, but nobody assumes you want them by default (ala Microsoft)."
Oh? You mean like setting my default screen resolution to 10,000x7,000 just because my monitor can handle it? ;)
I love Linux so far but all of the distros that I've tried force me to dig out my "old lady glasses" until I'm able to find and change the display settings. When you're screen looks like the small print on the back of a medicine bottle something's gotta change.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go learn more about this Beryl... *drool* - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Do you understand what you're talking about, or did you just read up about SuperFetch, too?
- crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Doesn't Ubuntu have to mount the NTFS drive for the whole "migration assistant" thing?
- Vinvin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you're on Feisty, firing up Synaptic and installing the package "beryl" should do the trick. Or, if you're not on Gnome, you can install only "beryl-core" to prevent Gnome being pulled along.
- nailer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2AshtonKe:
Ubuntu has used read-only NTFS drivers for a while now, and Feisty comes with a stable read-write NTFS 3G driver. Since when does having a problem with the provided software make one stupid?
I think you're an *****. - Auzy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Prove the Vista thing.. I call BS. Find us benchmarks.
Its easy to say it is, but the sad reality is, that even the Opengl drivers in many cases on Linux aren't up to scratch.
I Have also heard many reports of Beryl slowing everything opengl down.. Now that doesn't happen on other OS's - Jofaba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Didn't know about this, but Beryl certinally installed a lot faster and without as many errors as my last few attempts. Nvidia drivers also installed without crashing X. I've had a few system freezes with KDE/Nvidia/Beryl, but I'm still very new to Linux and am in no way blaming any of the software. All the freezes took place after installing a ***** of screensavers, and some of them just don't play nice. Maybe some are gnome or just badly coded. I found the one I like, it plays nice, and now it's off to discover the rest of my stuff.
Next step is seeing what games will work through Wine... - MikeEnIke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What happened to "sudo apt-get install beryl emerald-themes" working? Tis what I've always used.
- Amablue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Maybe stable wasn't the right word. It's glitchy. Sometimes if I close windows quickly it shows the wrong animation. the title bar on windows stretches weird when resizing windows. There's a bunch of little bugs that bother me.
- RC2k6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People need to stop spewing incorrect myths about Vista's memory management. Just because most of the memory is used while Vista is idle doesn't mean that it is a memory hog, that is completely false. Vista was designed like that.
Read up on SuperFetch, it is the new memory management in Vista. Remember that unused RAM is wasted RAM. SuperFetch is designed to learn what you do most on your computer and keep as much as it can loaded into memory so that the computer runs faster not slower.
I know for the most part Windows is more of a resource hog than Linux but people should understand what they are talking about before they just quote something that they read on some LinuxFanBoy website. - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1because its been on the edgy repo for months. Nothing new. its not like they are including it by defaul like they are going to with compiz.
- RC2k6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Please enlighten me where I went wrong parasocks
- sanguinemoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"should I take a college course for Linux to learn this stuff? Those are some complicated instructions."
No. You should enrolled in a first grade class and learn how to read. :p - scomartha, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I can't believe it! Rubbish.
- wisie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3for anyone else who has also been living under a rock and wondering what beryl is..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfw_TDkEtQ0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffreehogg%2Ewordpress%2Ecom%2F2007%2F02%2F05%2Fberyl%2Dubuntu%2Dbeauty%2F
niice - phaed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2hello mcfly! beryl has been in the edgy repository for months now
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