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- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Huge tip: If you want blazing VMware performance, install a full Cygwin session, make sure there is no screensaver running on the VMware linux, and export X sessions from the VMware box to the Cygwin X server.
What that does is it moves the rendering load off of the VMware box. Rendering on VMware is normally all emulated, and it's incredibly processor intensive. If you do like the above, rendering is native and fast as *****. The performance is buttery smooth and almost indistinguishable from Linux/X running natively on the machine.
If you don't know how to do this:
1) open fullscreen x session in Cygwin
2) ssh -Y
3) gnome-panel or the like
4) ?????
5) Profit! - jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Well its good to see that some people will use this to start to use Linux.
But you aren't going to get the same performance as you would get if you were to run Linux by itself, and that performance is the whole reason why I switched - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11This is a great guide, but it still prefer a liveCD...
- AhrenBa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Nice! I have been using VMWare to run Ubuntu inside of Windows, but this guide should help me try out some other distro's also. Thanks!
- deanshultz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5For what it's worth. I used Linux (Kubuntu) inside VMware to 'test the water'. After checking items off my compatibility-checklist; print, scan, dsl, etc..., I formatted 'c:' and haven't looked back. In fact, I now use VMware to run XP in my Linux install for the one piece of Windows software I still need-QuickBooks. (Tried gnucash, loved it. However, needed some fully developed sample files, with hundreds of accounts, for a college course)
As an aside, if someone needs a tutorial/HowTo for setting up XP in Linux, please let me know, i might write it. fwiw:XP installed *very fast* in VMware, less than 30-min.
thank you, also, to the folks who post linux tutorials, HowTos , and general noob stuff in Digg, it's a big help. - brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6What do you mean performance?
I have Vista ultimate and OpenSuse 10.2 dual-booting on my Dell laptop.
Vista installed in 30 minutes including online update, OpenSuse about 60 minutes including online update (I have FTTH).
Vista Ultimate boots in 40 seconds, OpenSuse in 70.
Aero never hiccups, Beryl frequently does (I have all the goofy Beryl stuff turned off).
Firefox and OpenOffice I perceive no difference running on Vista and Suse, its basically the same. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i used to run windows inside of linux
it actually runs alot better (windows inside linux) rather than the way the article explains it
it seems vmware's linux vm host software is alot better than the version for windows, mostly i noticed a difference handling keyboard/mouse events (delay/inconsistent on windows, fantastic on linux, fully integrating rez changes/window resizes and everything) - argoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've found that Cooperative Linux http://www.colinux.org/ is more simple to use and a lot more responsive.
- Markus123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3To test it before installing it properly (yes, I know there's livecds for that but this is just as good), for using a program that might not have a better windows/osx alternative, for developing cross-platform applications, etc.
- Rileyper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Great link and less complicated to use
- diggsIt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Submit a screencast to ShowMeDo. They'll host it for you. I think people would like to see it.
- grungegbunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wonderful! now I can see if I can make the transition from winblows to Linux permanently without actually
having to give up the win or partitioning or any other worrisome factor..
now running Ubuntu within XP, how cool.
thanks for the article digg it. - ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yep. OpenSuse has been clocked as having the slowest startup and shutdown times of all distros.
But I use it anyway 'cause it's arguably the best free linux distro for use in an office environment. - polymorphist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4LiveCD is kinda sluggish...Good for rescue purposes though
- MoneyShot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Agreed.
This method has all the user friendliness of Linux ontop of the stability of Windows. Yay! - ziki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Will my wifi work?
Intel 3945ABG - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That was easy, already had an Ubuntu iso downloaded, followed the instructions, it runs great, its surprisingly fast too. Nice article
- Twindagger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've been doing this for a while, but I use linux TSC - http://www.linuxtsc.org/
It's a nice graphical frontend that passes your preferences (screen size, # of colors, etc.) to Cygwin X - solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1well, strangely enough, pretty much the same instructions work. And if you're doing it that way, they can pretty much assume you're technically competent, so yeah.
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, actually you probably could secure your windows box with it, if you set up your router NAT in such a way that it redirected traffic to the VMware ip address. I haven't really tried that but I think it might be pretty confusing and hard to break out of for someone coming in from the outside.
Like Cl1whatzit says, linux (IMO) has a much more mature development suite than windows. I just cannot ***** stand VC++. - RedRummy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Now if the performance of XP in a VM in Linux was good enough to play modern games...
I'd do that.
is it? Could I play HL2 on the XP running on the VMWare inside Ubuntu?
(here's hoping) - jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@deanshultz
just set up an empty partition and drop the Win CD in install there, then you have to configure your boot loader.
GRUB
# The next four lines are only if you dualboot with a Windows system.
# In this case, Windows is hosted on /dev/hda6.
title=Windows XP
rootnoverify (hd0,5)
makeactive
chainloader +1
LILO
# The next two lines are only if you dualboot with a Windows system.
# In this case, Windows is hosted on /dev/hda6.
other=/dev/hda6
label=windows
Took me forever to figure that out.
You'd think that would be a common question but for some reason it's not very well posted, I stumbled across it in the Gentoo install manual
--edit--
And didn't read your comment too well, you already knew this - polymorphist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"What does the debian.exe file really do? It can't format the machine and install Linux can it? I ask because I never saw this before."
See this:
http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Do_we_need_an_Ubuntu_installer_for_Windows - drpcken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I've been messing with Fedora on a USB key, but I'm having problems figuring out how to save my settings when I'm done :-/
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Vista installed in 30 minutes including online update, OpenSuse about 60 minutes including online update (I have FTTH).
Vista Ultimate boots in 40 seconds, OpenSuse in 70."
I heard Vista installs way longer... but I won't argue, I haven't installed it. Anyway, lets compare that to my install of Arch Linux.
The install took about half an hour to 40 minutes, but that is due to me having to download 106mb of packages and I have a really crappy connection. The install itself took about 10 minutes. Bootup was surprisingly fast, I got ~15 seconds on my stopwatch. - theaceoffire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Personal experience:
After reflashing my XP MCE a while back, Microsoft did something odd to my comp. I had to relabel my partitions so that linux could see it again, and no live cd's worked.
After a month or so of testing, I thought I had fixed it... ^_^;;;
I used goodbye-microsoft, and I did indeed say goodbye. Either due to the resizing of the partition (Most likely), or to some other flaw in my computer, I ended up with a grub boot menu to activate two different linux formats (One for AMD, one for AMD single user), on my Pentium processor pc (Not good that it got the wrong processor, but oh well).
It had XP too, but due the the resizing of the partition (I am guessing), unbootable. And same with linux.
Long story short: It was fast, easy, and I assume if my computer had not been flawed, it would have worked! I hope. - polymorphist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's easy: just hd-install (NOT LiveUSB) Fedora on your USB key...provided that your USB key is big enough.
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Grunge: You may end up wanting to just investigate cygwin.
Cygwin is terrible, and by that I mean totally sweet.
It's very much like a fullfeatured linux that lives inside your PC, and it's lighter weight than vmware. But I suppose that doesn't matter since above I advocated running both.
But depending on what your needs are it might turn out that cygwin might be what you want. - theaceoffire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>.> and just between you and me, Beryl.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OH yea by the way its installed and running on Vista Ultimate if anyone was wandering
- NextGenXbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Awesome. I had no idea you could do this! Thank you very much!
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, neat. Never saw that one before.
I really don't know why VMware doesn't package some sort of screen-rendering layer along with vmware tools. Let's face it, the emulated rendering layer in VMware sucks ass. People are always asking them why they don't have hardware 3D, I say HA! get it so you can move windows on it without having it be painful. - Rileyper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can run a Live-CD on VMWare on this software
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ brundlefly76 - There is already an update to Vista?
- Rileyper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love using "knoppix" livecd and works great on my pc i always use it daily...Great guide
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@redrummy "Could I play HL2 on the XP running on the VMWare inside Ubuntu?"
Don't even think about going there. See my post above about VMware rendering speed: it doesn't touch your 3D hardware.
Your better solution is Cedega. Almost positive they've got it working in there. - Rileyper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Now that this article has gotten me experimenting with VMWare and Linux i went to their site and discovered the best way to run Linux on your PC without the live CD so you can save. this one creates a virtual hd on you PC nothing leaves this file and everything saves on this one single (large) file.
--Link of OSes http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/cat/45
--I recommend Ubuntu edgy 6.10 http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/693 - dummersack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Linux in Wondows use AndLinux.
http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/AndLinux - opensource101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is a nice simple, step by step guide to doing this. I tried it out with a couple of regular windows xp users, and they were able to follow the instructions with easy.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I run Ubuntu 5.06 Server in a VM (VMWare Server) as a personal web development playground.
- Dunnix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Quick question.
How does it work. Does it make virtual drive to do the Linux stuff on? if so how does it communicate with NTFS? hmm I am thinking about installing this on a work computer however I don't really want to mess with drive partition and stuff to much.
And once installed all the linux stuff will be saved in C:/OS/ correct?
Also I don't really need it to connect to the internet as I don't want to upset big brother. If it does try to connect to the internet it will go through my current windows IP right? no try and setup its own guest IP or something - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Vista - well broken before it even hits the shelves. Honestly, why would you want to do that to a perfectly good computer?
- wvdavis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Check out the article / show notes for Security Now Episode #55 on application sandboxes. http://www.grc.com/SecurityNow.htm#55. Steve & Leo really cover some good information here.
- aforonda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would much rather run windows within Linux
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't buy the 30 minutes to install vista...what about drivers, office and all other programs you might use.
My linux install generally take me about 45-60 minutes with just about everything installed drivers, openoffice...etc - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3That site scares me...I always seem to do really stupid things around Linux (accidentally install from a LiveCD, format my flash drive, etc.)
- gnilly, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0http://pjwsukti.tripod.com/palm-bible-software/sitemap.html
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3What does the debian.exe file really do? It can't format the machine and install Linux can it? I ask because I never saw this before.
- greatblackowl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Sorry to abuse commenting, but I have a question.
The guide describes setting up a liveCD to run as a virtual machine. If I were to go and install that on a virtual disk, will it make any changes to my physical disks (besides altering the .vmdk file)?
Many thanks. - Markus123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you use VMWare (like in the article) it will automatically take your network settings from the 'host' PC via Bridged Network or NAT, so if your wifi works on the pc running vmware it'll also work inside linux on it.
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