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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Yeah, Cinelerra is pretty much the lost Final Cut Pro for Linux. It's awesome, but no one has ever heard of it.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24You do realize that that has nothing to do with the Operating System, and everything to do with the vendors that make the programs in question, right?
- SweetyCheeks, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Not a good platform for complex video editing/creation?
Please note the movie Shrek was created on linux boxes (and it was complex to create - I read the story about it).
Just FYI... :-) - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12You actually _can_ apt-get it. Go to the Cinellera site and read the installation instructions for Ubuntu; all you have to do is add some repos and then apt-get install cinellera.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Because? Your post has no purpose whatsoever. Without some kind of reasoning behind it, none of us give a ***** that you prefer Mac OS X over GNU/Linux for video work...
- derkles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Shake was a Linux app before Apple bought it. Many production houses use Shake running on a Linux box.
- derkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Apple Shake for Linux
http://www.apple.com/shake/specs.html
Linux
* 1GHz (or faster) Pentium III, Pentium 4, or AMD Athlon processor or faster
* Fedora Core 4
* 512MB (or more) of RAM
* 1GB hard disk space for disk cache
* Workstation-class graphics card, such as NVIDIA Quadro2 or Quadro4
* Display with 1280-by-1024-pixel or 1440-by-900-pixel resolution and 24-bit color
* Three-button mouse - notjamt9000, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Another video editing program for Linux that nobody has ever heard of is Jahshaka - http://www.jahshaka.org
- derkles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Avid is great if you can afford the hardware.
- lengau, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Being a good friend of someone deeply rooted in the industry (he's an editor for many things from music videos to movies), I can say that much of the industry HATES Final cut, because you can't put their stuff into ANYTHING else. They use Cinelerra and a few other pieces of software for their editing.
- spikeyone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I just installed Cinerella, but it's crashing a lot. I think I'll stick with Kino for now, it seems to be more stable (at least on my computer) and does what I need.
- Sabot, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Cinelerra is the most crash happy piece of crap I have worked with in a long time on GNU/Linux. Kino does not do as much, but I don't have to save every three seconds to keep from losing my work. At this time GNU/Linux is not a good platform for complex video editing. The good news is if you want to grab some video and do some minor edits and post it on Youtube, Kino will do the job without much fuss.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Because you can't buy support plans from any vendors for GNU/Linux, right?
- KaserPro, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11what "professional" multimedia editing programs doesn't run on linux? (baring final cut)
virtually all the topend editing hardware runs linux, as irix has gone up the poll. (i.e. smoke, flint, flame inferno(not quite editing), and what ever avid does)
whats more of all the main 3D editing packages only 3ds max wont run on linux.
add to that shake (granted its starting to show its age,) its still the industry standard (combustion is making inroads, and yes after effects is big, but its *****.)
it might need to improve on its "prosumer" or "amature with delutions" range but the professional market is rather healthy - SweetyCheeks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I've never been able to get Cinelerra going on any platforms. I've tried Fedora 3 and 4, Ubuntu 6.06 and 6.10 - No go.
There are installation guides on line, but I've found they don't always work and other users are having similar issues.
So... If anyone has it going on Ubuntu and has a link to a 'good' (quality) installation guide with terminal commands, screen shots, etc... please, please post the URL for us? (Too bad there's no apt-get for this one).
Thanks! - gnomon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8There was an article up not too long ago about getting Photoshop CS2 running on Linux (it was a fairly simple process, too).
- SweetyCheeks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@macemoneta
My dear, I did that. It installs, it did not work. I checked forum posts and many people had problems (in Fedora) as well.
Typing "yum install cinellera" in a terminal is easy. Figuring out what, why and where the problem is, is not overly easy. Especially when some others had issues as well.
Please don't patronize peoples comments, (inferring they are stupid), when in fact there are issues; particularly when the comment was asking for help.
Please be a dear and post any url's to solutions or solutions themselves. You are an expert right? I thought so. - Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It seems Cinelerra has the same GUI developers as The GIMP, sadly.
I plan on learning how to use it soon, got to get my miniDV cam first, but that's but a matter of time, like, a week or two. - ArthurSucks, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10I love Cinelerra as much as the next guy, but after using Sony Vegas, it's so hard to go back...
- majormar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This is the exact same toolset that we use to create "the_source" video podcast. http://thesourceshow.org. Cinelerra is great, but the interface will take a while to get used to. Take a look at our tutorials in episodes 6 and 1 (we follow the Lucas episode system) to get an idea of how to use it or check out the documentation before you get started.
I couldn't disagree with maxplaner more. I understand what he is saying, but the industry is changing and free and open source tools are helping to change it. FCP, AVID and Smoke are industry standard tools, but they are not the only way to get things done. Cinelerra can handle most of the formats out there and if you find one that it doesn't handle you have the option of writing the code to make it work just the way you like it. You just can't do that with closed code.
That being said, if you just want something to edit home videos with, try out kino. http://kinodv.org Or if you want to try before you buy, so to speak, download a live CD that has the tools included and ready to go like dyne:bolic. http://www.dynebolic.org/ - shinda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I've been using Sony Vegas for most my video editing prior, I tried installing and running cinellerra but the interface is just not at the same level. I've seen a few good options though coming through on the linux system kdenlive, and I was recently introduced to http://diva-project.org/ which both look clean. There are also a few other projects but so far nothing has topped Vegas.
- smb3d, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10"Please note the movie Shrek was created on linux boxes."
Shrek was an animated 3D film, so yeah, the animation was done on Linux boxes. There's a big difference between that and the editing process. There are no professional editing applications available for Linux. Avid is considered the "Industry Standard" video editing application. As popular as final cut is with the masses, it's barely started to creep into the editing bays. - dumbkiwi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Have a look at this article for an overview of non-linear video editors for linux:
http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=88
MainActor is a good option, if you're prepared to pay the (rather high) price for it. - coldphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I personally could never get cinerella to work on Ubuntu. But seriously, besides lack of hardware support (which is actually getting much better), linux must improve on their professional multimedia editing applications selection.
- Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@rappermas
My understanding was that there were two versions of Cinelerra one was sort of community maintained? And the other was open source, but only Cinelerra devs could hack on it?
Anyways, which was it that you used/liked? - ScottMaximus1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's a reference to an earlier Digg story
- andycr512, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I've gotten it to work on both Ubuntu (using above comment's advice) and Gentoo (just emerge cinelerra-cvs), but compiling from source (except in the Gentoo ebuild) on Cinelerra is indeed a pain.
- michaelbuddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I was browing the Blender 3D forum the other day and somebody posted about a video editor called Kdenlive. My ubuntu installation went kaput the other day when I reformmatted the drive, but I'll probably check it out.
http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/index.php
The screenshot makes me think it's going to be a good easy program for many people. - anonym41414, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You're nuts.
First of all, nobody would ever edit MPEG video. Ever. (Okay, some fairly obscure Sony products for ENG are an exception, but we're talking creative editorial here.)
Second, what exactly is a "tape deck controller?" VTRs use RS-422 machine control protocols. All you need is a serial port, either RS-422 or USB with an adapter.
Now that Avid's finally in the 21st century, post houses are starting to replace their old G4-based Media Composer and ProTools rigs with Mac Pro-based systems. Some Avid suites are losing out to FCP, yes, and that's a great tool for rough cutting and offline editing. Great tool, no question. But for finishing, Avid is generally better because more great editors are familiar with it. It's just been around longer. - yoshihama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If I remember correctly, the guys at Sony Pictures paid some vendor to fix up their windows emulator to run Photoshop for Windows. I also believe that code was productized, so any of us could run Photoshop on our Linux boxes. I'll have to do some digging to remind myself who the vendor was.
- Katana314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ Flamekebab's comment;
The GIMP? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
I love open-source and all, but The GIMP has the worst UI of any program I've seen in a while. This Cinerella is probably my biggest reason for getting Linux, but so far that's all. - generalloy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Cinelerra-cv is supposed to be in Ubuntu Studio metapackages for Feisty
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Tempting to write a follow up article with a comparative analysis of how much time you can spend by using a MacOS X or Windows.
You'd have to factor in things like how much it costs to replace your hardware with hardware that someone has decided to spend their time writing drivers for, drivers which have been updated recently enough to be stable. - SweetyCheeks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@bieber
Thanks! Based on your comment, I'll bet it's a repo problem? Maybe I installed some package(s) from the wrong repo or maybe I didn't install one of the packages correctly (or missed one). Thanks for the heads up on that, gives me something to focus on. I didn't check that. Appreciated!
For those who need it, here's the tut/guide:
ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=320701&page=1 - AngryBoy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@bieber
I understand your point, but it's naive to think the OS has *nothing* to do with vendors porting their applications. After all, those vendors are businesses trying to make money, and if the cost to support a new platform exceeds the amount of sales, then they're not going to do it. The cost to support the platform is, in fact, a factor of the underlying operating system. I'm sure Adobe could port Photoshop and Linux is quite capable of running it, but this is only half the story. - smb3d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Only about 99% of the television industry, no biggie though.
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Not a good platform for complex video editing/creation?
Please note the movie Shrek was created on linux boxes (and it was complex to create - I read the story about it).
Just FYI... :-)"
For low-mid end stuff, Linux is fecking terrible for video creation. OS X and Windows have decent low-end editing applications (Mainly iMovie/Final Cut Express on OS X, and Adobe Premier Elements And Premier Standard, Pinnacle Studio among others on Windows).
Sure, "Shrek was created on Linux", but Shrek also had a large team which would be specifically working on writing and modifying application and plugins for the applications, in which case Linux is a perfect choice, given that it's open-source (Which makes writing applications easier). The extremely high-end visual effects software (Things like 3D Equalizer, Houdini) run on Linux (Or SGI/Irix), but that doesn't make Linux great for multimedia creation - It means the OS was flexible enough, or powerful enough to run extremely high-end software, which is nice when you have a team of R&D people to create and fiddle with applications for you, but not if your just trying to edit a video of your families latest celebration.. - smb3d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I think most of the people in this thread are confusion shakes role. It is not a video editing application, it is a compositing application. Theres a really big difference. No one in their right mind uses shake for video editing.
and bieber I think he is referring to the time tested reliability of the apple platform when it comes to video work. I said it before and I will say it again, 99% of the television shows on the air today are cut with avid on apple hardware. I like Linux just as much as you do, trust me, it's great for certain things and it's getting better all the time, but as of right now video editing isn't one of it's strong points. - protium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For gentoo folk:
http://gentoo-portage.com/media-video/cinelerra-cvs
(not sure if this is part of portage, but you can put that ebuild in your portage overlay). - maxplanar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@majormar and tecnovm65 - you're both WAY off the mark. These OS experiments are absolutely great, and I fully support them - but if you need to cut something, you need a pro app - otherwise you're just a dilletante - or a developer. Continuing what dbr_onix said - does Cinelerra support ripple delete? Lift? Nested Sequences and VFX? Can you build Batch Capture Lists? What's the media management toolset like? Can it output any of the 20 industry-standard EDL formats? OMF 1.0 or 2.0? What about Fit To Fill? Time Remapping? Multicam? Are its media file formats industry standard?
A real, workable editor is much, MUCH more than a Mark In and Mark Out key, and a Source and Record Window. @tecnovm65 - you really need to flip that question around - have you linux users ever actually USED Final Cut or Avid - both of which are incredibly capable and heavily developed systems? If not, and you're just on a pointless linux rant - shut the ***** up.
Finally, any real editor worth their salt doesn't really care what OS or editor they use - but they DO know a good cut when they see one. - demonsnake69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Heh, I guess no one here uses Avid.
- ordminute, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Linux is practically the platform standard in the feature film and animated feature industry. Hollywood, Disney, Weta all use Maya / RHEL on IBM Intellistations or HP workstations. Look it up. Video compositing and cutting is very commonly done with Shake or Smoke on similar hardware but sadly that pro Linux software will knock you back many thousands.
It's a complete fallacy there's no pro multimedia software for Linux. To the contrary much of it is so 'pro' it's completely innaccessible to the hobbyist or 'home studio' artist.
Cinelerra (community version) is shaking and moving in this area. That said, I've got my sights on http://diva-project.org/. - insomuchas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3All he needed was blender!
- tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm a Mac user, so my daily work usually revolves around Avid or FCP, but when I was in school, we had a license of vegas on the systems, and it is a *very* nice application. I enjoyed using it. I'd recommend it over Premiere any day of the week.
- gobbo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cinelarra is crashy (for most people, not all), quirky, strangely designed as a UI (i.e. poorly thought out, unnecessarily unique, and difficult to learn), doesn't play that well with other software (i.e. doesn't have a good workflow in mind), and just plain hideous to look at.
I would love to install linux on all our machines and teach Cinelarra to our students. I can't, because it sucks, and nothing else on linux is as capable. Still waiting for something better... - Cybie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually feel free to digg me down.. I think I might be wrong on Linux Shake... It is available for Linux, just not as cheap as it is on OSX.
OSX: 499.00 Linux: 4999.00
Win32 shakes has been canned. - Cybie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@KaserPro
Things that don't run under Linux natively:
3D: Lightwave 3D, 3DSMax
Compositing: Combustion, Digital Fusion. Since the Apple buy out you can upgrade existing copies of Win32 & Linux versions of Shake, but they're no longer selling new licenses. Only the OSX version is available as new.
On the plus side you can get NUKE which is quite powerful, which it should be for $9000. - vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1jesus. Your comparing this to Final Cut Pro?
- Cybie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@KaserPro
Oh and the Avid editors aren't available under Linux.. just the various storage and management systems they sell (as well as Softimage XSI) - Jester2138, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I have used Avid Liquid 7, Final Cut Pro, Premiere Elements, Premiere Pro, Sony Vegas Movie Studio, Sony Vegas, Jashaka, Cinellerra, After Effects, Soundtrack Pro, Acid, Blender 3D, Maya, 3DS Max, and Animation Master (no, I didn't just glance at the interface, I actually USED them). My FAVORITES? Editing = Premiere Pro. Animation = Blender. Audio = Soundtrack. My LEAST favorites? Editing = Jashaka or Final Cut Pro. Animation = 3DS Max. Audio = Acid. And I only used one effects program, After Effects. It was intense.
All I can say is that there is nothing we can do about the lack of a powerful, stable, complete, flexible, and intuitive editor for Linux except wait (you programmers out there, get cracking). And don't anyone start complaining that I don't like a certain program. Professionals should be past that by now. -
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