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- trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+196Ballmer repeats threats against Linux.
Linux users continue yawning. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -25/+127You either:
1. Pay retarded money for software.
2. Pirate your software.
Those options don't work for those of us with IQs over 70.
But since you are happy as a little Microsoftie, you go right ahead and keep buying their crap.
Let us know how that DRM in Vista works out for you (after you bittorrent a copy).
(Ballmer looks like a child molester in the pic in that article, doesn't he?) - mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+96Again with the veiled accusations. Here's a PUBLIC REBUTTAL to Steve Ballmer:
Mr. Ballmer,
I call "*****!" and say "Put Up or Shut Up".
If you have claims, present them, or kindly keep your mouth shut.
Best Regards,
Mike Lieman - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+69"anyone else finding a stronger polarization around free software and Linux?"
Well, if you went to school for 4+ years and got some kind of CS or IT degree and paid thousands to get your MSCerts...only to have a guy with no degree, but 10+ years tooling around on Unix and Linux servers take over your job because your company dropped MS for its servers and installed Linux...you'd whine like a pissy little 4 year old, too. ;) - quantumHobbit, on 10/12/2007, -7/+65by mightydavefish
"(Ballmer looks like a child molester in the pic in that article, doesn't he?)"
I thought that was a typical Linux fanboy reactionary comment. Then I looked at the picture. Someone call Benson and Stabler of SVU. - shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -4/+55mind you, the average computer user couldn't take a blank HDD and install/setup windows properly on it.....
- bebopredux, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53I like this: "We are higher priced, but we bring greater value," Ballmer added.
I can't make this stuff up. I think it's about time for another dance from Young Frankenstein. - shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49"RIP Linux and GPL nazis- I'll miss ya... NOOO!!- just kidding :) BURN IN HELL!"
anyone else finding a stronger polarization around free software and Linux? i suppose thats one of the drawbacks to increasing popularity and influence (still its strange to find people get so angry towards something like free software and its community) - quantumHobbit, on 10/12/2007, -9/+56"We have done very well versus Linux on the desktop..."
No sh*t sherlock. He makes it sound like 99.9% of PC users don't kept the preinstalled OS, never wondering if Linux is better. More likely never hearing of Linux.
PS Ubuntu rules! - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36A guy I work with is convinvced that your average user doesn't need anythng more than win 3.1. I'm inclined to agree with him.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -16/+50Doesn't intellectual property require at least a trace amount of original thinking?
Microsoft is the least original technology company on the planet. Good luck with your crusade, Ballmer. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37" "RIP Linux and GPL nazis- I'll miss ya... NOOO!!- just kidding :) BURN IN HELL!"
anyone else finding a stronger polarization around free software and Linux? i suppose thats one of the drawbacks to increasing popularity and influence (still its strange to find people get so angry towards something like free software and its community)"
There are people with a vested interest in seeing MS stay where they are. How many cereal box MSCEs are there who don't know a micro kernel from a CPU flag and are totally useless but are in a position to influence things in favour of themselves and MS.
Whenever a market change happens people lose out. The horse trainers and cart manufacturers fought tooth and nail to stop the trains and so did the train operators against the car. People hate change because the cards don't always fall on their side. People talk about the market being over populated. It's not true, there are more computers being installed all the time (lets not forget growing media centre and embedded markets). The market that is over populated is the MSCE because Linux has stalled the advance of MS in the server market. The market that is in need of new blood is the *nix admin. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+37That's it. You're supposed to wonder. It's just more FUD and scaremongering. Linux has no patent infringements until proved otherwise.
If it did he will not come out and say so because usually such things can be worked around and most specific patents wouldn't survive 5 minutes in a court room with the nazgul attacking them (and IBM would defend Linux in such a position, their hardware strategy is entirely Linux centric these days). - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35If you graduated with a BS in Computer Science and you don't have at least some working knowledge of *nix from it, your school failed you, or you made great strides to avoid learning it. Of course, computer science and system administration are almost entirely unrelated, so you got the wrong degree for your job to begin with. If you graduated with a degree in IT and only focused on learning MS stuff, you're equally short sighted in your career.
Regarding the article, Ballmer needs to substantiate his claims or STFU. If linux is violating any intellectual property or patent laws, it's time to go to court and prove it, or suck it up and quit crying about how a competitor is actually for once making a minor dent in their monopoly. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36"People don't get rid of their pre-installed Windows becuase 99.9999% never have ANY provlems with it."
No, most people use Microsoft because it's all they've ever known. - TheShad0w, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31@mike
Agreed! Suddenly MS is sounding like the RIAA. Until they have the proof I don't see them getting to far. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24"We have done very well versus Linux on...the server"
Erm, what? I thought Linux/UNIX/BSD had over 70% of the server market...
I wouldn't call that doing "very well" - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26@broomett@ How can anyone be blindly anti-Microsoft when we've had their operating system shoved down our throats for the past decade and a half? Anyone that switches to linux does so because they are unsatisfied with Microsoft's (or apple's I guess) product.
- Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Don't forget Microsoft have been caught before conducting a 'paid-for' grassroots effort (astroturf).
I wouldn't be surprised if half of the pro-Microsoft posters on here are part of a similar effort. - twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Well, lets see Microsoft try and stop the 500+ distributions in 50+ countries, all with different laws. Ballmer is going to run Microsoft into the ground. Nobody who laughs at the iPhone for not having a keyboard and then threatens something as widespread as linux can run a multigazillion dollar company.
- bashfulczar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Right on the heels of them blaming piracy for poor Vista sales. Shame. How about because no one wants to pay ridiculous amounts of money for an OS that has everything they already got with XP.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Respect my intellectual propertah!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21I think they're still trying to find some _intellectual_ property somewhere in the building.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Yes capitalism is heavily in favour of state protection and state granted monopolies like patents.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23"Will you ever stop following me around?" - estvir
Following you around??? Estvir, every digg I read, there you are, singing the holy praises of Microsoft. You're a bit hard to avoid...
BTW, do they pay you by the comment or by the hour? - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Will somebody please get this guy a stripper so he'll shut up for a while. For ***** sake, people say Apple are arrogant and pompous? This guy doesn't know when to quit.
- jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I'm beginning to wonder if we're not seeing the beginning of the end here. Balmer has been acting more and more like a cornered rabid animal, lashing out at just about anything and everything that isn't Microsoft. I kind of feel sorry for the other Microsoft employees. I'm sure many of them are fine folks, and every day they have to read about stupid stuff Balmer says and does. Couple that with the apparently poor sales of the zune and vista, their big flag ship product, there must be some very low moral over at Redmond. I wonder if alcohol sales have increased in the last couple of weeks? I'm sure crack sales have gone up, Balmer is evidence of that.
- rtay150, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Balmer needs to respect the right to kiss Linux's ass!
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21But you forget that Yahoo! Widgets (then some bought-out company) came out in 2000.........
Sorry. MS still hasn't developed an original idea.
"Some time in early 2000 Arlo Rose came up with an idea for a cool little application. It would use XML to structure images, and a scriptable language, like Perl, in such a way that someone who knew the basics of Perl could put together cool little mini-applications. The goal was that these mini-applications would just sit around on your desktop looking pretty, while providing useful feedback." - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4MzqBFxZE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I love it. I hope Microsoft continues this strategy of threats and scare tactics. Their reputation is already tarnished and these stories just reinforce people's worst suspicions about the company's true motives. I'm going to bookmark this story so I can send it to the next person who asks me why I dislike Microsoft. They're not happy owning a huge percentage of the market.. they actually want to go out of their way to crush useful software projects. That's just ***** up.
- killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Ubuntu is awesome, but some things are still just too hard to do for the average computer user. But it is getting there.
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20"Will you ever stop following me around ?"
I like Linux. I read Linux articles and their corresponding comments.
You don't like Linux - we get it. Yet you're always commenting in these threads.
Following this logic, it's not me "following you around"....it's me always seeing you post (for the majority) anti-Linux stuff. - laserdisc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Ballmer is a douche. I was disappointed when Gates stepped down as CEO and handed the keys to this maniac. Yeah, that's right I would prefer Gates over this jackass. And now that he's retiring I'm already missing Gate's nerdness. If Ballmer feels there's a violation he MUST disclose where these patents are being violated otherwise his accusations of said violations mean absolutely NOTHING. And with Microsoft's popularity winding down near the center of the Earth I wonder why the shareholders are putting up with this nut case. They really need to oust him.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23XD they know about intellectual property
They steal it all the time!
"Widgets, gadgets, not the same" - davidrools, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13If a computer came with a nice clean Linux installation with all the hardware properly configured, with a nice GUI+Beryl, OpenOffice, Firefox, etc. there would be a ton more Linux users and Linux fans. All the windows users who don't know how to install an OS onto a clean HDD would be just as comfortable using a preconfigured Linux box as they do their preconfigured Windows machines...and pay $100 less.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16You are crediting MS for protected mode. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I'm sure Intel are in tears that their idea is being credited to MS. Not to mention that there wasn't a real protected mode MS OS until Win98* and Linux was practically from the start.
*Windows 3.0 was in theory until you take backwards compatibility into consideration. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I'm still waiting for him to kill Google.
- xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14He's not serious unless he picks up a chair.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The way MS is stacked up like a house of cards they have to be a monopoly. So much of MS stock is tied up in areas where they would have no problem selling at the slightest dip that they must perform. Any steady loses against Linux will see about 20% of their stock hit the market in a short period and that would absolutely cripple the company. Pull up any study of the stock break down of MS and you will see they can abide no competition irrespective of law, morality or reputation. This and Linux are attacking all areas, ODF is making ground and if they lose MSOs format lock then they will be exposed to all the worse parts of speculation.
People assume MS are invincible. They forget that IBM had a much stronger lock on the market but lost out due to bloated management and the same issues with stock being in the hands of investors who care little for the company. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I have fantasies of ***** on Steve Ballmer's bald head.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I don't respect bullies.
- linuxpenguin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Question is - like in the SCO case - what IP of theirs is being used? If they can't show us, we can't fix it.
- mraustin1337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12One link. Seriously.
http://Steve.Ballmer.WillBeDefeated.com/ - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Actually Fortune 500 are among the earliest and biggest investors in Linux. It's the little guys and middle of the road companies that love MS because they don't know any better.
- victorc26, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16@CrazyZ:
I beg to differ. A lot of Linux distros are feature rich environments. It just has one major "flaw" in it: It isn't Windows. That's why some people dislike it at first.
When you keep using it, it grows on you. It's just like using a different bicycle/car. - clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"linux" can't be sued. To sue, you have to go after a company or person. "linux" isn't owned by a company or person.
The only ones that could be sued are microsoft customers and novell customers, both that have agreed to terms.
Microsoft is trying to sell the idea that anything open source, FOSS, "linux", "gnu" or similar terms are considered Linux and therefore somehow magically suable. It's like trying to sue a tree in a forest. If the land is owned, you can sue the land owner, but you cannot sue a tree. A tree is not a suable target. - matthewsr2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I really think that Microsoft is twisting the dragons tail on this one. If he tries to single out any one company or distro that supports/uses/sells linux then everyone is going to jump into the fray. Lets see, Microsoft in one corner... IBM, Novell, Sun, Google, Red Hat, Mandriva, etc. in the other. My bet is going to be one the linux camp. Sure, Microsoft has big money, but I don't think that it compares to the combined assets of the open source camp.
Not to mention the fact that Microsoft would be effectively ***** in its own corner, they depend on parts from big blue for their recent hardware ventures.
And the icing on the cake is the fact that Balmer has to answer to the shareholders, he will do what is best for their financial interests, which i don't think goes beyond his current state of growling. - leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Didn't we learn ANYTHING from the IBM vs. SCO case? Threats of patent infringement are meaningless without PROOF. SCO didn't have it, and I doubt that Microsoft does as well.
Put up or shut up, Ballmer. - cfizzo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Microsoft having to go on the offensive against Linux shows their (or at least Ballmer's) fear of it.
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