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- carpespasm, on 12/16/2007, -2/+115why the ragging on bbc? they put out some good stuff, you just have to look for it.
- fandyboy, on 12/16/2007, -2/+84Who is the idiot that wrote this? The BBC has consistantly put out the best British programmes over the years. What a tool.
- mrloco, on 12/16/2007, -6/+80is Top Gear "craptastic"? i think not. Clarkson for PM!
- MrSprout, on 12/16/2007, -2/+73Craptastic? The BBC rock.
- neopran, on 12/16/2007, -2/+49Dude what's with the BBC bashing ? Like this is great news. Take it easy with the bashing they have some good programs.
- lengau, on 12/16/2007, -2/+47Considering that neither have 10% market share, they're both minorities.
Also, this isn't about "ooh, we're going to support Mac/Linux because a whole lot of fanboys kept yelling at us." It's about the fact that they're mandated to let as many people as possible access their content. Linux support is about the best thing they could have done, because everyone can use Linux for free as long as they have a reasonable computer (that is, besides some embedded devices that are locked down, any computer that can't run Linux more than likely isn't powerful enough to play these videos [and even some of the ones that can run Linux will probably have problems]) - Ramble, on 12/16/2007, -0/+45The BBC is the best broadcasting corporation in the world, with some of the best programs in the world. I'm guessing the submitter likes non craptastic programs like X Factor, the entire MTV channel and other reality *****.
- meggani, on 12/16/2007, -0/+42I can't decide whether to bury this for a lame article description, or to digg it because this is awesome news.
- JoeBaynham, on 12/16/2007, -0/+40Im glad at least one of the major UK broadcasters are paying attention to other OSs
- Afterdark, on 12/16/2007, -2/+34BBC "craptastic"? better then most of the spineless drivel that get exported by US networks like lost. Remember, US is the biggest importer of UK shows and licenses with the BBC, sorry about 'deal or no deal' but that's channel 4 any way :P
and what US network is handling Battlestar? tell them to get there arses in gear, fed up of waiting for the new epps and its one of the best shows world wide this past year. - Ramble, on 12/16/2007, -0/+30The IT Crowd is a Channel 4 production.
- vofuse, on 12/16/2007, -1/+28Buried because I really don't care what the submitter thinks of the BBC.
- STKD, on 12/16/2007, -0/+27"craptastic programs from the BBC"
Call us when that writers strike is over will you? - tagtomlin, on 12/16/2007, -0/+26That's right - the BBC putting out craptastic programs, and for free. Which loser would would use their services...? I would much rather use [please name provider of wide variety of free, world class content here].
You fool... - nicktx, on 12/16/2007, -0/+26Dude, the BBC is in its own league compared with the US corporate media. Thanks for the article though, I think this is awesome even though I only use Linux as second OS.
- meez, on 12/16/2007, -4/+29"craptastic"... Mighty Boosh? The IT Crowd? :(
- rikwakefield, on 12/16/2007, -0/+24What's with the anti-BBC agenda? They make some excellent programs.
- inactive, on 12/16/2007, -0/+24@falmebot
Been really active recently, eh?
@lengau
Don't take him serious, just look at his ID. - tico24, on 12/16/2007, -0/+19I love how the volume control on the iPlayer goes up to 11.
- Breepee, on 12/16/2007, -0/+17Not even close? Linux uptake is huge in the third world and at universities (probably because they're both on a budget).
- chrisbudden, on 12/16/2007, -2/+19Awesome.
- JoeBaynham, on 12/16/2007, -1/+17Isn't that the same for nearly every tv channel out there?
- CharlesSaint, on 12/16/2007, -1/+17I finally made the switch to Ubuntu today from XP MCE. It took a few hours of configuration to get Compiz Fusion going (thanks mostly to ATI), but I'm loving it, and it's nice to see that I'll be able to watch some great BBC programming on iPlayer! I just miss uTorrent though :-(
- _skin_, on 12/16/2007, -6/+22I am a mac user and I know, just as you should that Linux users out number us Mac OS users.
BTW... Thank you BBC. You give us real news and now I can use your website like it was meant to be used. Thank You! - lengau, on 12/16/2007, -1/+14Yeah... I know... I really shouldn't feed the trolls.
- KongKNoob, on 12/16/2007, -0/+13KTorrent makes the switch easier :)
- JoeDiggsIt, on 12/16/2007, -1/+13Thank you Irrelevant-Man.
- makario, on 09/03/2009, -0/+12It's better to run native programs like Deluge (which I suggest) or KTorrent, rather than use a Windows program, in my opinion.
- starsky51, on 12/16/2007, -3/+15Well.. it took a petition with 16000 participants being sent to the Prime Minister before they started really paying attention. I'm glad it's publicly-funded.
- arizonagroove, on 12/16/2007, -0/+10The browser based version of iPlayer is great news, too bad this story was submitted by an idiot.
Moronic 'craptastic' comment aside, there are many much better articles online regarding it than they linked too which doesn't even link to the actual site it's talking about (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer). Two articles more worth of linking: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/12/12/ ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/13/flash_ipla ...
- dwalker, on 12/16/2007, -0/+10TUFF ***** - here in the UK we have to buy a TV licence this pays for those programs, and I dont want some American getting it for free! LOL
- BlackStrain, on 12/16/2007, -0/+9I thought it was because you can't use it outside of the UK.
- Ramble, on 12/16/2007, -5/+14Mac users don't outnumber Windows users..... not even close.
- mooninite, on 12/16/2007, -0/+9Just use deluge. Same thing as utorrent.
http://deluge-torrent.org/ - RawSewage, on 12/16/2007, -0/+8I had to login to this. Craptastic? wtf Are you some American *****? BBC is the only ones that know how to make decent radio dramas anymore. Americans just overact and *****, not to mention all they have now is talk radio and music. Americans are boring *****.
- dellis, on 12/16/2007, -1/+9How is that different than any other television network?
- Disfnord, on 12/16/2007, -0/+8I never knew you were a Linux user.
- inactive, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7All the text from the site:
BBC adds Mac and Linux support for iPlayer
December 14, 2007 – The BBC has introduced Mac and Linux support for its online catch-up TV service, called the iPlayer.
Mac and Linux users can now visit the iPlayer beta site and immediately begin streaming shows broadcast in the last seven days, although they cannot at present download shows from the same period, as Windows users already can. Full support for Mac and Linux platforms is expected to be introduced at some point in 2008, and the official launch of the iPlayer, including a marketing campaign, is expected for Christmas day of this year.
Speaking at the Future Media conference in London, Eric Huggers, BBC Group Controller of Future Media and Technology, said that the BBC has been hard at work to make the next generation of the iPlayer into the best possible product for a catch-up TV service. “We’re actively pursuing relationships with more suppliers to make sure the iPlayer becomes available on more services as well as Virgin Media, so that users have direct access to content on a TV through the iPlayer. 2008 will be the year when we start to find out how [TV over the Internet] gets into the living room and how users can access these services from their couch.”
The BBC recently signed a deal with Adobe to use Flash streaming technology in the iPlayer, facilitating support for Mac platforms. - treed, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7The BSG thing isn't the network's fault. The Writer's Guild is still on strike.
- Angostura, on 12/16/2007, -1/+8Yeh right, meh. Blue Planet, Little Britain, Dr Who, Newsnight, The who of CBeebies (if you have kids), the best costume dramas out there. Secven national radio stations. Meh ye not.
- Monti0, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7You seem really apathetic towards this, yet you had to submit it on Digg?
- SomeImagination, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7rtorrent > *
Using utorrent with wine is silly - monikerd, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7This tux user is happy, and appreciates the effort.
- lengau, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7"but Linux desktop use is just tiny at the moment"
Again, Linux's userbase can be debated forever and, honestly, unless every country in the world puts it in their next census, we'll never be able to determine the number even closely.
"in part because most of the interfaces suck"
Any evidence behind that? I find my KDE desktops (my Linux ones, and BSD ones, and even my Solaris one) quite usable, thank-you-very-much. They're not for everyone, but I prefer the way KDE works to both Windows and MacOS (and it has nothing to do with the OS - I just find KDE more usable).
"and of course it is complete hell to develop an application like this on Linux"
Not really. All you have to do is pick some standards and go with it. For example, use Gstreamer and Gtk are both LGPL'd, so they can easily be used (I would prefer they use Qt, but I'm not going to scream at them because they don't).
"poor drivers"
Please explain two things:
1. What exactly do drivers on Linux have to do with this?
2. What's so poor about Linux's driver support? The only thing that hasn't worked OOtB for me in the past couple of years has been wireless networking.
"If 1000 users are running FreeBSD desktops are they obligated to support it? What about Solaris? What about alternate processor architectures? Before you go on about them all being POSIX compliant, remember you aren't getting the source, you can't just recompile it wherever you want."
About the POSIX-compliance: Sure, I don't get the source, but that does mean that once they've written a Linux version, it's a heck of a lot easier to port it to *BSD, Solaris, etc. Theoretically, all it takes is a recompile.
Nevertheless, I would argue that a version for those OS's is unnecessary if there's a Linux version because one can run Linux and the iPlayer without paying any more for another OS, and IIRC there's a compatibility layer for FreeBSD etc. anyway.
Alternate processor architectures should be supported to a point. For example, I would like a PowerPC (so I can run it on my PPC Mac, or PS3 or whatever) and an ARM version (Nokia N800). However, I would say that, unless there's a proven ability to run similar types of programs (meaning: video players), other processor architectures should not be supported.
"At what number of users do you gain the right to demand support?"
One user may demand support, considering that this is a public entity. The BBC is as good as a portion of the British government, and thus anyone paying a TV license should be allowed to demand support. However, the BBC may deny this support until there are enough users of this platform demanding support that the TV licenses cover their costs (so if it costs £100 to port the app, it should take 1 user demanding support to provide that support, considering that the TV license is between £125 and £150) - GMorgan, on 12/16/2007, -0/+7The BBC can though. They should have just used Java, it would have solved their problem in one. This is exactly the correct use case for Java but the BBC being a state body are incapable of clear thought.
- TimRogers, on 12/16/2007, -1/+7I am burying this due to the unneeded insult to the BBC.
- RedS0x, on 12/16/2007, -0/+6Seriously look at all his comments
- DMBrown, on 12/16/2007, -0/+6As an iPlayer user, I am glad to inform you that Top Gear IS available through this service, it isnot a commisioned program, the BBC and Jeremey Clarkston own the rights to Top Gear and they DO have the right to digitally broadcast it over the internets.
- MrHappy123, on 12/16/2007, -0/+5Are you an idiot? This news story is posted under All » Technology » Linux/Unix ... lol
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