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Announcing openSUSE 11.0 RC 1

news.opensuse.org — The first release candidate of the hotly-anticipated openSUSE 11.0 is here! Help give 11.0 the all-important last minute testing!

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  • Appleboi4evr, on 05/30/2008, -4/+24can't wait!
  • Root2dir, on 05/30/2008, -5/+25I'm really looking forward to the final release, I have a feeling it will be an important milestone in desktop Linux.
    Who knew penguins and lizards get along so well?
    • nickert0n, on 05/30/2008, -6/+5I have a feeling it wont be, but I hope it is, every success in the linux world is a great one.

      However if you look they are incorporating KDE4, which doesnt even work properly yet right there FAIL.

      However this is not to say I will not give it a try I WAS a die hard opensuse fan untill 10 when everything got so f'in cluttered mind you I was having some hardware problems at the time too so you can digg my down for bias.

      All in all I hope its great but I predict it will sux balls.
      • Tarmas, on 05/31/2008, -1/+3What's your problem with OpenSuse and KDE4? Just get the installation DVD and choose your preferred environment from the installer. That's KDE4, KDE3, GNOME, XFCE, followed by a "Custom" option, if you know what you are doing.

        While OpenSuse's implementation of KDE4 is not forced as a default environment, it's the most polished and stable at this point. They actualy made it usable. Try Kubuntu KDE4 remix to see what I mean.

        Speaking of penguins and lizards... See how much Novell is investing in Linux right now. They sponsor both GNOME and KDE, Compiz with all the hardware support behind it, and - mainly - a huge part of the Linux kernel. Amazing applications like Banshee, F-Spot, Beagle are developed mainly by Novell employees. Compare that to the Canonical guys, who are just providing you with a Debian based distro with their branding and repositories without giving anything back to the COMMUNITY.

        Regarding the Novell - Microsoft pact, it's a deal to provide interoperability between Linux and Windows. All FUD aside, I'm really glad that Novell worked on issues that were blocking Linux deployment in corporate environments, where computers with different operating systems can be easily networked, without any need of patching, upgrading, updating or hacking. Once again, try that with Ubuntu. It *won't* work out of the box.

        I'm looking forward to this release. It looks like the most polished and user friendly distro today with realy great technologies incorporated into it.
        • int19h, on 05/31/2008, -1/+1Banshee, F-Spot and Beagle all have applications that does the same tasks, but better. They are not unique, responsive or even that good, IMO.

          Canonical also pays developers, Novell is not special in that regard.

          KDE4 might be usable, but it is far from stable.
        • Tarmas, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1Name a single Linux replacement for iTunes with music and video support. For KDE it's Amarok, and for GNOME it's Banshee (both in beta right now, though pretty stable and usable). Rhythmbox is way behind and other players are all failing at some point (like iPod support, for example).

          Any replacement for Beagle? Tracker is the default engine in Ubuntu, but it fails miserably to find *anything*. The results, even if correct, are cluttered. There is no way to clearly specify the search criteria. This was pointed out in the Ars Technica review of Ubuntu 8.04, and I wholeheartedly agree with their opinion. Tracker just doesn't work. Period.

          Canonical pays it's developers to develop. Novell pays their guys to develop *and* contribute upstream. That's the difference. It's all there, just go to the project sites and check the sponsors.

          Your comment about KDE4 just shows your ignorance. You have not tried OpenSuse and their implementation. You're talking out of your ass, to simply put it that way. Even though KDE 4.0 is far from a finished product, OpenSuse developers have made it into a usable and *stable* product with their own patches and hacks. It's still not intended to be a production desktop, but it just works in their distro. And as I said before, it's up to you to pick your desktop environment at installation.

          By the way, I'm typing this very comment from my Ubuntu 8.04 equipped laptop. All the previous versions have worked better and better (been running since 5.04), though 8.04 is a *serious* regression. I lost my wireless, I lost my keyboard setup, GVFS has slowed my file management down to a crawl. It's an epic fail.

          Quit looking from the marketing perspective. Ubuntu might be the most advertised distro. It's not the best though...
        • Root2dir, on 06/04/2008, -0/+0well i was about to go all angry penguin on him but you saved me the trouble and did a decent job might I add.

          one thing though and this goes for everyone, I really wish the distribution bashing would stop Linux and open source is about choice you are more than allowed to have a preference and to support your favored distribution but please don't attack others in the process you can make comparisons and well thought out arguments (which Tarmas did i just needed to voice this) but just saying something like its cluttered isn't sufficient justification to say the entire distro sucks.

          The bad blood between openSUSE and Ubuntu is a sad thing IMO, I mean think about how it looks from the outside the two leading distributions and they argue constantly and over stupid things grant usually its the lower community members that are partaking in this, but every now and then a higher up slips and spouts out obscenities. Like Mr.Shuttleworth's (the man who is mostly responsible for the initiation and continuation of the ubuntu project) lapse in judgment when he tried to scoop up developers from openSUSE via a rather biased post to the mailing list shortly after the Novell-Microsoft deal, its worth mentioning he apologized and admitted he was out of line.

          any way back to topic I urge anyone who believes that kde4 is dysfunctional to download the openSUSE 11 livecd and have a look for your self, the openSUSE team threw allot of work in to that as well. It is with out a doubt the best KDE4 implementation to date!

          sorry for any punctuation deficiencies had to be somewhere and dint have time to go back and correct it.
  • EclipseAgent, on 05/30/2008, -17/+9http://digg.com/linux_unix/openSUSE_11_0_RC1_First ...
    • cawpin, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5Were you just trying to show how much of a douchebag you are? You are the dupe, *****.
    • ZachSka87, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4It's all in the title and presentation, my friend.
    • thismortalshade, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5His link is to a review that includes features and such. I don't think he was trying to suggest this was a dupe as much as get his article dugg.
  • moondowner, on 05/30/2008, -7/+34Hope that this release will come with a stable KDE (4.X) enviroment. I also want to thank Novell and all the KDE and openSUSE developers for doing a great job, withought U guys, Linux wouldn't be in this place where it is today. :)
    • manutdfan2850, on 05/30/2008, -4/+7word.
    • nickert0n, on 05/30/2008, -9/+2Kiss ass.
      • tehjarvis, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4You're trolling this thread, really hard.
        Sorry you don't like SuSE.
        But congrats on being the first person added to my block list!
  • joshr04ca, on 05/30/2008, -4/+20Very excited for this next release of openSUSE. Best Linux Distro out there!!! Keep it up openSUSE devs.
    • chewbie, on 05/30/2008, -7/+2not really. With the version before this one, my laptop went twice as slower than with ubuntu.
      And it's a new laptop. Also, what's the deal with yast? It's very slow compared to ubuntu's way.

      First linuxes I tried so I could say I'm not biased
      • zwaldowski, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2That was actually fixed in this new version. Trust me, they noticed.
  • SirPopper, on 05/30/2008, -44/+9Tell me who is really interested in SuSe Linux?????????

    Sorry but my opinion is it sucks!

    Use Windows instead!

    It is easy and very dirty!
    • SirPopper, on 05/30/2008, -13/+3Huh?

      I mean SuSe is easy and very dirty!
      • clesch, on 05/30/2008, -1/+9fail
      • SirPopper, on 05/30/2008, -12/+1I know SuSe very good it will become more and more dirty, also there are a variety of undefined system processes.
        The Kernel is not the latest, therefore I prefer Ubuntu or Gentoo.
        Right at Gentoo the compiling time takes a lot of time and you must update the system often [when you want to have the latest sw/ kernel] but when I read
        @moondowner
        "Hope that this release will come with a stable KDE (4.X) enviroment."

        I must laugh really.

        I know SuSe is very easy so it is good for Newbies, but believe me when you've used SuSe for a long time, it is not so difficult to change to a Linux OS with more great Future Features!

        You got every time the latest updates and Kernels. That's it.

        SuSe is maybe more something for Home based User, but as power user you have too much problems, to get the latest sw or kernel.

        Novell!

        • peterjmag, on 05/30/2008, -0/+9*blink* Uh... what?
        • Phocion55, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4This has the characteristics of a "Why I Love Digg" screenshot.

          Please...keep responding to your own comments.
        • mrsteveman1, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4Whats it called when you write backward sentences that make no sense?

          Dyslexic? no thats not it.....

          oh wait, STUPID, that's what we were looking for, stupid, thanks for playing :D
    • halobender, on 05/30/2008, -0/+10Troll.
      SuSe is a good Linux distro.
    • deathfix, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3I'm not sure dirty means what you think it means.
      • mrsteveman1, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1SuSE touched me, its dirty.

        And now i feel dirty....i need to go replace my kernel and cry in the corner.
  • wTheOnew, on 05/30/2008, -4/+15My brain is going into open source overload lately.
    • nickert0n, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3But its a good feeling ;-)
    • Root2dir, on 06/04/2008, -0/+0yeah theres allot of exciting things coming around the corner from the open source world, be it Firefox 3, or openSUSE 11; these are great landmarks in open source software's acceleration to world domination.
      The future is coming and its going to be open and free for all.
      VIVA LA PENGUINS!!
      /|and lizards|/
  • fani, on 05/30/2008, -3/+8Very nice and professional looking. I think this is a really good distro. Yast2 for software mgmt isn't the best, but its ok for me. zypper is a nice apt like tool.
    I like this the best among all the ones I've recently tried and I've switched to it ( since 11.0 Beta 2 )

    I tried Fedora Core 9, Knoppix, Kubuntu-KD4 Remix, Ubuntu HH, Sabayon
    • SamuelHenderson, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4'Fedora Core 9'? Really? I think you mean 'Fedora 9'.

      I've never personally used openSUSE, I imagine it's similar to SLED (which I have used before) though. If such is the case then I am sure it's very nice and all. I happen to like Fedora (been using it since Fedora Core 5) and Ubuntu (been using that since 5.10).

      If I had more time and money I'd like to have a computer for each of the main Linux distros.



      • fani, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5Yes, I meant Fedora 9 ( Sulfur ). Thanks for the correction. Its nice but I'm not that happy with it - few issues - doesn't remember my screen size setting, cannot resize the settings window etc. etc. But overall its nice too. yum is as fine as zypper.
        Eventually, they're all behaving the same ( I guess it all came from the gentoo ports methodology of installation with dependency checks/installations )

        I have SLES9 and SLES10 servers at work and its ok. After a while you get used to the sles way of doing things. Perhaps thats why I like openSuse more. Ubuntu is nice, but its too simple for me. I had my wife try it and she was happy. Can't have that now...:) Gotta one-up :)

        Anyways, no need for multiple PCs. You have 2 easy solutions -
        1. multi-boot via grub
        or 2. (Even better) VMware

        I VMware the distro's to eval them and if I like it, I burn and multi-boot. My PC already multi-boots many OSes and its quite easy/useful these days.

        One problem under linux however, is lack of proper TV card support. My ATI AIW isn't supported. There is now support for my WinTV Hauppauge 1800 via the em8800 driver or something but I have yet to try it.
  • smek2, on 05/30/2008, -3/+18Finally! Here's hoping my Linux-Distro of choice will get a quality update.
  • Wakuko, on 05/30/2008, -30/+6DON'T SUPPORT M$ ATTEMPT TO CONTROL LINUX!!!

    M$ AND NOVELL ARE IN BED, NOVELL IS TAKING IT UP THEIR ASS!

    ***** SUSE, ***** NOVELL AND ABOVE ALL ***** M$!!!
    • Disease, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7You need to cry more.
    • ZachSka87, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7You've made your point to clearly and with such excellent presentation and vocabulary. I'm sure the entire Digg community will lend you the full credibility your comment deserves. *applause* No, wait. An applause is too small. *STANDING OVATION*
    • Buu700, on 05/30/2008, -3/+1You know, I've had that same fantasy every night for the past year or so.
    • apokryphos, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5Stop the FUD: http://opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS
  • Wakuko, on 05/30/2008, -26/+5Article is sponsored by M$
    All previous posters are astroturfers
    Nobody uses SUSE
  • tehjarvis, on 05/30/2008, -6/+20Probably the most important distro currently. I love me some OpensSuSE, no one else does KDE right (Arch is close though).
    • Buu700, on 05/30/2008, -5/+8"Probably the most important distro currently."

      How so? I can maybe see a case being made for Ubuntu, but in what way is openSUSE the most important?
      • Weejay, on 05/30/2008, -10/+1Yeah you must have Suse confused with Ubuntu buddy....
      • nickert0n, on 05/30/2008, -5/+3Thank you! Have a Digg, they are fat free.
      • tehjarvis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+7A lot of the gnome and KDE improvement comes straight from the OpenSuSE developers, more so than with Ubuntu. Ubuntu is nothing more than a bleeding edge distro with decent hardware support and easy installation. SuSE continues to get better and better and is always rock solid stable at the time of release. All of the "BLAH MICROSOFT! NOVELL!" yammerings are absolutely retarded. SuSE is the most important distro because they give back to Linux more than any distro I can think of...Fedora may be close though.
        Not to mention how amazing OpenSuSE looks straight out of the box.

        Typed on my Ubuntu machine, if you're wondering.
        • Buu700, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Oh okay. I wasn't sure if you were getting at something along those lines or were just saying it was your favorite distro in an exaggerated way. I'm not sure if I'd call any one distro the most important, but openSUSE is certainly important (all those GNOME and KDE improvements you mentioned, as well as the increased interoperability with Microsoft technologies (Mono, ODF-OOXML converter, Moonlight), and all the other work the openSUSE team does).

          P.S. I also disagree with the anti-Novell rants for the most part (not that we shouldn't be wary of Microsoft's "embrace, extend, and exterminate" strategy), and actually until 19:52UTC today, I owned 40 shares of Novell (I sold once it hit $7.05, since that's about the highest it's been since March).
    • raydeen, on 05/30/2008, -2/+6Just curious as to the comment 'no one else does KDE right', how is KDE different from one distro to another?
      • nickert0n, on 05/30/2008, -5/+1Steriods in Binary Leperchauns
      • tehjarvis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+6KDE in OpenSuSE is a completely different beast than say, Kubuntu. It's faster, more secure, has better menus and is actually thought out, rather than just KDE slapped on top of whatever distro. Also has awesome OpenOffice support, better than any other distro.
        KDE-Mod on Arch, for example, is blazing fast, extremely stable...it's also well implemented. You'd have to experience one or the other to see for youself. Give OpenSuSE 10.3 a try and you'll see exactly what I mean.
      • raydeen, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Cool. I'll give it a try. My experience with KDE has been Knoppix and Kubuntu. Knoppix is great, Kubuntu...not so much.
  • lucian303, on 05/30/2008, -19/+7SUSE is *****. Their deal with Mircro$oft endangered the whole Linux community. ***** that.
    • jmantra, on 05/30/2008, -3/+3Novell and Microsoft reached an agreement that provides interoperability between linux and windows making companies making more likely to adopt it.

      Oh and suse is a great distro despite your opinion on Novell

      So with that:

      http://jmantra.com/duggdown.wav
  • jonshipman, on 05/30/2008, -2/+19OpenSUSE mmmmmm
    I remember traveling to Germany and seeing copies of SUSE in mediamarkt on top shelves and the copies of XP were on the bottom shelves... :p
  • over900000, on 05/30/2008, -24/+7Ubuntu craps all over SUSE.
  • flashingcurser, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7Oooooh... I can't remember when I saw a real good distro flame war!
  • InuX, on 05/30/2008, -0/+14:D openSUSE how I love thee. Hopefully my windows partition doesn't find out about us.
  • rofflebuster, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Has anyone been able to install fglrx on this? I tried the beta and the "one-click install" was only for 10.3.
  • sp1nm0nkey, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3Looks great! I kinda liked the shade of green used in the earlier SuSE distros more but this should be really nice.
  • pookkake, on 05/30/2008, -7/+3http://youtube.com/watch?v=_unHjRntc9I
    • NOFXY, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1great song! reminds me of napoleon dynamite though after someone mentioned it to me...
  • Tyr7BE, on 05/30/2008, -7/+2Do people still use this? I remember it being released with much fanfare, and that was the only thing I ever heard about it, ever, until just now when it announced another release.
  • simmin, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5Nvidia drivers still don't work without a patch...
    • amfantasy, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1did you try the new drivers that Nvidia released yesterday?
  • hiro, on 05/30/2008, -7/+2Don't get me wrong, I'm full of respect for the open source guys, it's a hell of an achievement but... well... it sorta looks a bit Win95
    Sorry
    • earlycj5, on 05/30/2008, -0/+8What?

      Oh, wait, sorry, you mean the taskbar at the bottom with the start menu on the left? Coulda sworn Vista had that too.
  • gugin, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5ok how do you pronounce SUSe? is it suse as in ruse, or maybe as in fuse, or even like a girls name susie?? Really I'm asking here.
  • whiteeagle131, on 05/30/2008, -9/+4I hate how Novell tries to make the GNOME version of openSUSE to look more like KDE, thus closer to MS Windows.
    • earlycj5, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4What's closer to MS Windows?

      I appreciate an integrated desktop thank you very much.
    • amfantasy, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6The did a crap load of usability test and they found that one bar is easier for users then two, and that the first place users go is the bottom left corner of the screen for applications and the "start" button. They don't change things just to be different...
      • whiteeagle131, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1Then why does two of my friends which I have introduced to Ubuntu 8.04 (gnome) say that they like ubuntu's approach to the desktop better.

        //oh, I guess I'll just have to ask them.
        • natenovs, on 06/01/2008, -0/+2cool you asked two people. i think the UI team at novell might have done a slightly broader usability test.
        • whiteeagle131, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Well, in the future if someone else is interested in Ubuntu or in Linux in general I will ask them about their opinion. Cheers.
  • Swarmie, on 05/30/2008, -7/+2Looks like Windows. :o
    • InorganicMatter, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1Isn't customizability on the of the biggest things Linux guys harp on as a strong point of Linux?
  • InorganicMatter, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4Go go SUSE!!! Still the best Linux distro 24 years later.

    My only gripe with the 11b3 was that my video drivers wouldn't compile (unstable ATI drivers...imagine that). Other than that, GREAT job guys!!!
    • InorganicMatter, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Wow, that should read 14 years later, not 24. ;)
  • Pasty745, on 05/30/2008, -3/+6I hate SUSE. I have installed it 4 or 5 times (using different versions) and each time it would eat itself after I installed video drivers (both ATI and Nvidia). Ubuntu on the other hand has been very nice to me.
  • BrokenBrick, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3If it comes with cookies I will dual boot it with Ubuntu
    • jmantra, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1..but what if they're chocolate chip
    • madrona, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1...I think it actually comes with a bag of Haribo gummi bears.
  • nickert0n, on 05/30/2008, -6/+2The best of luck OpenSuse, Congrats!
  • Stonekeeper, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3So can someone please clarify is this is anything to do with Novell? After the "storm" caused by their MS deal, many people said they wouldn't touch suse then others came out saying it had nothing to do with Novell as it was a community driven project. Can anyone clarify?
    • apokryphos, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4See http://opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS
    • ksoul, on 05/30/2008, -3/+2People fail to see the bottom line here.

      Novell has NOT sold its soul to Microsoft.
      This deal will PROTECT Opensuse and it's users from patent infringements.
      This deal will provide more functionality and compatibility with various microsoft products. (Yes, we all use Windows at some point)

      It's time to get with the program people. This OS war is absolutely nonsense.
      • Stonekeeper, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2"Yes, we all use Windows at some point"

        Er... no i don't...
      • int19h, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1I don't want to be protected from non-existing patent infringements.

        If Microsoft have a patent claim, they should speak up. If they want to sue, they should be prepared to be counter-sued. They are violating enough patents themselves.
        Open source developers will always find a way anyhow.

        I don't have a single Microsoft application on my computer, and haven't had one for years.
        The OS war is about freedom, not nonsense.
      • randumbusername, on 05/31/2008, -0/+0sorry sir, you actually want a linux distro to succeed by going out in the real world and making deals. suse is about the only distro that has a chance of success on the desktop imo.


        bad bad bad.
  • LZeppelinJ0, on 05/30/2008, -2/+4Really enjoying this release right now, while YaST2 was the most common complaint from OpenSUSE's previous releases, this RC has really amped it up and it's become a great administrative tool. Also the auto-updater finally works in this release with the PackageKit updating system.

    And overall this release just feels a lot slicker and quicker than all previous betas. I'm very excited :) Give it a shot guys!
  • neodude237, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3Well, my grub and mandriva crashed on my laptop today, so I am going to try a new distro, and I guess this will be the one :D
  • int19h, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2I tried Suse many years ago, but currently use Ubuntu. In what ways are Suse better than Ubuntu?
    • ksoul, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3Each distro has it's own unique feel, kernel mods, and feature set

      For myself it's the superb implementation of KDE 4, YAST, and Zypper. Also, Opensuse 11 looks amazing and feels very polished, even at this stage. KDE 4 has a few bugs yet, but KDE 3.9 is amazing.

      Looks are a feature too and Opensuse 11 looks beautiful on all fronts.
      • chewbie, on 05/30/2008, -7/+2meh. It's a windows clone
      • ksoul, on 05/31/2008, -2/+1Oh, It's a Windows clone I see.

        I suppose by saying that you're also saying that each and every Linux supported window manager (maybe with the exception of fluxbox) and desktop is a Windows clone. GNOME, KDE, XFCE, and maybe even the E16 GUI all operate on the same principals as Windows simply with a different backbone and file structure.

        I guess if Opensuse is a Windows clone, then other great distros like Ubuntu, Gentoo, and Debian are all windows clones as well. Perhaps you should direct your sentiments to the devs. I'm sure they would be happy to hear your well articulated argument and will consider the possibility of making these desktops "less Windows like". Or perhaps you're a purist and solely exist via command lines.

        Lets get real people. The computing world CAN co-exist with Apple and Microsoft, in fact, we need them. Competition inspires growth and development. Besides, unless the Linux world gets a major boost from hardware and major software developers we will continue to these other operating systems anyway. Those who truly have the right to bitch about MS should only exclusively open source software.

        If I had my way I'd use Linux exclusively every day, however we're simply not there. The majority of us will continue to have a separate partition for Windows on our hard drives. Instead of bitching about how much Microsoft sucks, do something about it. Write some code, organize a blog, or simply spread the word and pass around CD's.
      • int19h, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2ksoul, thanks for the reply. I agree that each distro has a unique feel. However, Ubuntu also have KDE 4, configuration tools etc. What does Suse give me that Ubuntu doesn't, except from a unique feel?
        • apokryphos, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2Smarter package management, _more_ system configuration tools (YaST is really the perfect administrative tool), and it's a distribution actually introducing _new_ features and technologies (like Compiz), with hundreds of hired Linux developers, in contrast to Ubuntu which pretty much only just packages the distribution.

          You should find at openSUSE that the quality of packaging, stability, and technical innovation is very high.
        • int19h, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1The package management works perfectly fine on Ubuntu. I can install all the applications I want to install, and it's quick and easy. How is Suse smarter than Ubuntu when it comes to package management?

          When it comes to system configuration, I can configure everything I can imagine. Which problems does YaST solve that is not solved on Ubuntu?

          New features pop up all the time in various applications, if they come from the makers of the distribution or from the developers does not affect me as a user. I can also enjoy Compiz and other new developments on Ubuntu. So, in what regard, from the user point of view, is Suse better than Ubuntu when it comes to new features?

          The quality of packaging and stability are all high in Ubuntu. The technical innovation is also high in Ubuntu, as I enjoy the results of the kernel and application developers.

          Thanks for your reply apokryphos, but I still lack a single specific example of what Suse can give me as a user that Ubuntu can not.
        • ksoul, on 06/01/2008, -0/+0I don't deny that Ubuntu is a great distro. In fact it was the first distro that actually "just worked" on my first Linux box. Ubuntu lead the way to my building (and running for several years) my Gentoo box which i installed and compiled from the sources, and inspired my wanting to learn more about the Linux OS in general.

          If it works for you then great! It's all Linux, baby! We're simply spreading the excitement across the Opensuse community. :)
    • dentarthurdent1, on 05/31/2008, -1/+2it's a lot prettier than ubuntu, but mostly only during the installation process. i tried it yesterday with KDE 4 and the update tool broke immediately :( i then tried it with KDE 3.5 and found the update/install new software utilities very confusing.
  • bxbomber, on 05/30/2008, -4/+1Do I still have to install it with openoffice.org?

    because Koffice does exactly what I need it to do.
    • daPhoenix, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1You never had to - you can choose what software to install during the installation itself with a GUI - all you have to do is wave the mouse.
  • ahughes, on 05/31/2008, -4/+2"hotly-anticipated" - seems like almost every Desktop Linux distro is "hotly anticipated" these days.
  • ksoul, on 06/01/2008, -0/+0At the rate in which varying Linux technologies are advancing as well as the kernel development, how could each new release NOT be "hotly-anticipated"
  • MrViklund, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Very very nice. Can't wait for openSUSE 11.0 Final. It will be fantastic! :)
  • sire021, on 06/02/2008, -0/+1can't wait for ze german lizard!

    why (not ubuntu)? ... two reasons: a) my thinkpad actually wakes up after a standby .... b) user interface is superior! ...and this is coming from a fan of minimalism (initially inclined towards GNOME)... KDE3 it just works, and (ironically) is a lot faster than gnome... hopefully the novell people will turn out to have the same quality standard for KDE4
  • BlackAdderIII, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1I'm counting the days till release day here.
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