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Announcing openSUSE 11.0 Beta 1

news.opensuse.org — The openSUSE team is proud to announce the first Beta release of openSUSE 11.0! There are many exciting enhancements and features in the new release. Among these is the incredibly fast package management (libzypp), KDE 3.5.9 and 4.0.3, GNOME 2.22.1, a beautiful new installer, installable live CDs and much more.

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  • FunkyPenguin, on 04/19/2008, -2/+22Onwards and upwards. Another fine job.
  • RobLoach, on 04/19/2008, -1/+26Great work, guys! Seeding.
  • Deanjo, on 04/19/2008, -7/+30The best distro keeps getting better.
  • Andytom, on 04/19/2008, -2/+30It's kinda sad that KDE and Gnome look nice but XFCE is ugly as sin. More people would probably use it if it had some polish and an openSUSE theme.
    • newwatch51, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1eh, wouldn't call it ugly, but I would call it less functional than Gnome
  • SnirD, on 04/19/2008, -1/+16Great Great work! YaST2 looks so much better now and the KDE 4 artwork is lovely.
  • hotchkikr, on 04/19/2008, -2/+7Woot! Woot! I like!
    The KDE4 is finally themed to be usable!
    But some icons are missing from konquerer...
  • SnowCrashv5, on 04/19/2008, -1/+8I'll probably wait until 11.1 or 11.2 when KDE4 is finally usable. It'd be sure nice of them to pump that improved zipper down via the repo's to the 10.x users.
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -1/+9Done a long time ago, see the ZYpp:backport and YaST:backport repositories (you will need them both). Though, note that since update functionality hasn't been implented yet in the new package management stack, the openSUSE updater won't work anymore (though I guess this doesn't bother a lot of people).

      After adding those repositories you will want to FIRST update libzypp, zypper, rpm, and THEN update all of YaST. After update functionality has been implemented we will likely create a 1-click-install for the new PM stack.
    • KAMiKAZOW, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1You could also add the KDE4:STABLE repos to YaST. They will be updated to KDE 4.1 once it has been released.
  • mooseontheloose, on 04/19/2008, -63/+1announcing ***** 11.0 Beta 1 billion
    • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -0/+18Announcing uDontBelongOnDigg version SoLargeOfANumberWeStoppedKeepingTrack

      So hard, it must be, to come up with this stuff.
    • bagboyrebel, on 04/20/2008, -0/+8And here I thought that digg was set up to please mooseontheloose, and then something he doesn't care about ends up on the front page. Tsk tsk digg, tsk tsk.
    • wiifm69, on 04/20/2008, -0/+7welcome to my block list, here you will meet other tools on digg
    • amirman, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3,learn how to internet. on digg they have this cool feature for people who hate linux, it's the X button up in the top corner, just kidding, it's called "customizing digg" you can easily choose to not recieve any linux news, woohoo.
  • mintblogger, on 04/19/2008, -2/+3Congrats, I would like to test the new features of KDE. I couldn't understand the packaging of two versions of KDE desktop environment. Is the newer version under testing phase?
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -0/+6It's not as mature and stable as the previous KDE3 version yet, with some applications not fully functional just yet, so we're giving users the option of either (exciting and new, or old/stable/mature).
  • alphacoder, on 04/19/2008, -19/+6I used to like SUSE but isn't it worrisome to others about the Microsoft agreement they signed? I've stayed away ever since and won't be using them.

    In my view, using their products and becoming familiar with them could very well lead to much more problems down the road.
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -5/+22No, we're not worried because we recognise the FUD. See http://opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS

      openSUSE is a project sponsored by Novell. As are OpenOffice.org, X, the Kernel, KDE, GNOME, etc. Even if you have an irrational hatred of Novell, do you also avoid using these?
    • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -2/+4Well, I'm confused why so many people steer clear of SuSE because of the stupid ass agreement. So what? It's not like it benefits Novell that you use it. They don't get $0.99 every time you boot into SuSE.
    • TWIXMIX, on 04/19/2008, -1/+5I don't know why some people forget about products just because Microsoft "sponsored" them. This is not Windows people.
    • fakeollie, on 04/19/2008, -7/+12Yes, alphacoder. Many are worried, and a few forgive -- but not forget -- what a disservice Novell did to the whole FOSS movement. Re-hashing the "we also sponsor xxxx, yyy" and the many Novell save-face arguments changes nothing. Many people won't use a Novell distribution (community or otherwise) ever again, I'm one of them.

      If one has no problem with it, I say fine. Just try not to make it seem like nothing's been done: own up. Action speaks louder than words. Mentioning the questionable Microsoft agreement is no FUD at all; paying for "patent protection" from absurd patent claims, thus validating them, *is* FUD.
      • jadrian, on 04/19/2008, -2/+3You know that the agreement doesn't give Novell any protection against patents from MS right?
        • fakeollie, on 04/20/2008, -1/+3My friend, you're wrong, you're very wrong, so I urge you to get informed. Sorry, I'm don't mean to be rude and I'm also not here to school you. Peace.
      • amirman, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1FUD= ***** up dude?
    • forgiste, on 04/19/2008, -4/+2besides, if Microsoft were cool Novell might be able to improve driver support immensely.
      • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -2/+1Hah! By doing what, replacing Windows with Linux so driver developers will have more of a market to Linux?

        You do understand that Windows only supports what it does because of its position as the OS leader? (It is true, but scary nonetheless)
      • Remmy, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5What? Hardware manufacturers are responsible for driver specifications and releasing them to the community. Microsoft doesn't have anything to do with it.
    • trenchcoat, on 04/19/2008, -3/+6I like this quote from the FAQ...

      Novell has also created or is among the top sponsors of projects such as the Linux Kernel, GCC, OpenOffice.org, KDE, GNOME, Tomboy, F-Spot, Banshee, Beagle, (K)NetworkManager, Kickoff, Evolution, XEN, Xgl, and Compiz etc. Are you refusing to use any of those as well? Since they all have substantial amounts of Novell code.
      • fakeollie, on 04/20/2008, -3/+4I'm glad you like that quote. I myself find it very amusing. Too bad it's a bad strawman argument. People left Novell in retribution for something they did that hurt their communities, their philosophies, their livelihood and their sense of ethics. They didn't leave the entire FOSS movement, or any of those projects. Think: how many of those projects would die if there were no more addition of these alleged "substantial amounts of Novell code"? Probably none. So how is it that stop using them would be a stand against Novell's practices? Now... Without Novell, there's no SLED and no openSUSE, and vice versa, so that's what matters. That's where the line is drawn.

        Novell is one the worst kinds of software companies. While they use FOSS to enhance the product that they sell, and there's nothing wrong with that, they make contributions to the movement in return, that's how the game is played... In the executive offices, the proprietary mentality of the NetWare days of yore are not dead, so whenever they can scheme and cut-throat to guarantee a buck, they cave in and sell their souls. Like acquiring PATENT PROTECTION and thrown in some interoperability ***** that never came and never will. And those license Tickets. Riiight. That's not being an honorable FOSS player like Red Hat, Mandriva, Ubuntu's Canonical. They also make a buck, but they don't have to cash in their principles and put everyone else at risk for profit. Novell right now is being FOSS in name only. For serious people, they've become pariahs. Wake up, guys! Get informed.
    • xenuxenuts, on 04/19/2008, -2/+3Nearly all of Novell's customers Windows on the desktop. From what I've heard, Novell's sales went up after that. My guess is it helped convince the PHBs that linux servers would work fine with windows desktops.
      • LastDitchHero, on 04/19/2008, -5/+1Your right, and they only position desktop Linux as "cheap windows" and you can see that blatantly in their marketing materials. Or for companies that have all their infrastructure on web apps.
      • fakeollie, on 04/20/2008, -1/+2Hey, you're talking about Novell here. They go with whatever line sells more. Who cares if everybody else in the game gets frakked, right? De Icaza will be able to get some new, cool and expensive (not to mention genital compensating) car. Oh, and sponsor 1,000 more mono silliness, like Tomboy. Inclusion in Gnome guaranteed without complaints, obviously.
  • moocow1452, on 04/19/2008, -23/+2Not Ubuntu...
    • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -4/+20Oh no, It's not Ubuntu, It's hype may actually match it's quality!!

      Hide it from the Windows users...
    • hwy9nightkid, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3Ubuntu doesn't even load on my laptop, even when I disable acpi
      • mossblaser, on 04/20/2008, -1/+2If you want help head over to the forums or at least mention the version of ubuntu and the model of your laptop.
      • newwatch51, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1Likewise. I'm hoping that Hardy will though.
    • DeathGod321, on 04/19/2008, -2/+11Ubuntu's got its training wheels welded on, SUSE is much easier to use if you know what you're doing.
      • Mejogid, on 04/19/2008, -1/+4That's simply not true. If you have experience with RPM based distros SUSE may be easier, if you're previously used Debian based distros Ubuntu will almost definitely be more familiar. Regardless, when you get down to the basics they're extremely similar. Neither is inherently more usable than the other.
        • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -1/+1Yes, easier access to important utilities, UI speed, etc will all contribute to usability. Granted both perform alike, and can be changed, but I wanted to make sure it was known that there is definitely usability variance between the two. It's not easily measurable though.
  • cjnkns, on 04/19/2008, -14/+1meh
  • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -3/+12Oh *****, must download. Alpha 3 ROCKED.
  • binarysemaphore, on 04/19/2008, -1/+6Looks beautiful. I am into xubuntu due to older hardware. I want to know how is openSuSE 11 for legacy hardware ?
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3If you take a look at the screenshot in the announcement, you will see that Xfce is also offered as an installation option (on the DVD). Yes, it works great on old machines.
    • svivian, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1SuSE conctantly froze on my old machine, normally with no more than 8 apps open. I'm sure this isn't the case but the whole system felt pretty bloated all the time.
    • mossblaser, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1SuSE was historically quite a heavy distro but it is certainly a lot quicker out of the box than it ever used to be. It should be prettey usable, just be careful about which packages you select.
    • Forma, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Even on my now aged AMD 2600+ this live CD felt relatively smooth. According to the devs KDE 4 has been optimised to an extent that it needs less resources then the ;atest KDE 3 incarnations.
  • richman241, on 04/19/2008, -27/+2Who cares, its not ubuntu
    • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -5/+11Typical Ubuntu Users:
      "GO UBUNTU!!!!!!!!!!!"
      "I'm Better Than You Because I Use Ubuntu"
      "Who cares, its not ubuntu"

      You know, this whole Windows->Ubuntu switch thing is starting to ruin the Linux community
      • earthforce1, on 04/19/2008, -8/+3Actually, the final trigger that switched me from OpenSuSE to Ubuntu was the Novell-MS deal. But I am not especially loyal to one distro, I started with Red Hat, and if somebody has a better distro you can colour me gone.
        • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -5/+5Novell does not benifit from your usage of openSuSE. Don't be a sheep.
          • CarzorStelatis, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Just like the Olympic torch procession doesn't make any difference to what's going on in China, but people still protest. OK that's on an infinitely more significant scale than a patent agreement by a software company, but bear with me. Showing dislike for something by boycotting it doesn't imply that you think your actions will somehow damage whatever entity you boycott.
        • SteveMax, on 04/20/2008, -0/+2It all depends on how you intend to use, and how deep you want to go on the underlying system. Ubuntu is easy for GUI-people makes sure you won't have to use the command line and/or edit system files by hand. Others, such as Slackware, just go the opposite way and make sure you won't need to fire up a GUI just to edit a configuration file. Which is better? Both, depending on how you prefer to use the computer.

          You might want to keep "shopping around" the distro market. For Ubuntu-like usage, in my humble opinion, both Mandriva and OpenSUSE are better choices than Ubuntu, mainly due to a more integrated control centre and not treating KDE as a second-class citizen. Your mileage may vary.
    • Zaeboes, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5I'm all for competition, but not for inside conflict. If all the programmers and testers from the thousands of linux distros could pull together, we may have the perfect OS.
      • earthforce1, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1Different distros serve different purposes. In some cases it is just a matter of desktop preferences, ( Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu) in others it is the requirement to work on older hardware. (Xubuntu, Damned Small Linux, or Puppy Linux) Other versions are optimized for use in appliances http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Linux often with no gui at all. A lot of the software is common across distros. Linux isn't one size fits all.
        • forgiste, on 04/19/2008, -1/+2but what's the functional difference that would make one choose OpenSUSE 11 over, say, Fedora Core 9? Is either of them really better suited for certain hardware? I mean sure the binaries are in a different format and the package management systems are different, but they still all work about the same efficiency, right?
        • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -0/+2No, they are not about the same efficiency. Different kernel configurations, different compilers, different internal software, sometimes even different libraries and replacements for libraries. Different bootup process, different bootloaders. Different package management, different control software. Different desktop environments, different desktop environment software. Different window managers, different file browsers.
        • Heretushi, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1But they all serve the same purpose : giving users a desktop to get on with their daily computing life. Having thousand of distros to give user different default wallpaper is a bad idea. I would gladly have all developers concentrating on ONE distro (new, old, no matter) and then provide me with the "difference" during installation or later. Let's all work on the same distro and then let the user decide on his choice during installation.
    • bigpook, on 04/19/2008, -1/+4opensuse is a fine distro, I ran it for many years and am looking forward to trying out this next release. I use ubuntu on a daily basis now and prefer it. But I can still say go Suse!
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -4/+7Since I don't really see the need to trash Ubuntu, let me just say that openSUSE has a LOT going for it:
      * the openSUSE build service (latest software, always -- trivially build packages for all distributions; thousands and thousands of packages for all versions of openSUSE)
      * the latest innovations -- openSUSE has many KDE, GNOME, OO.o, X (and of course Compiz) and Kernel developers working for it (upstream and in the distribution).
      * a DVD option with gigabytes of packages -- which has KDE, GNOME, Xfce, and gives you an easy way to install exactly what you want
      * Very fast boot time
      * Beautiful artwork (it will be imported hopefully in beta 2, but here's a sneak peek: http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.0/Gre ...
      * KIWI -- image creation software
      * openSUSE 11.0 will have the best, most comprehensive, and fastest package management in the world
      * Will also possibly officially ship a Live USB image
      • sukimashita, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Good list!
        Don't forget the package you can buy with an absolutely brilliant manual for beginners to experts.
        I think the most important difference is that Ubuntu has a tendency to not to push stuff upstream while openSUSE has many developers actively working upstream and moving distro improvements upwards. Heck, not further commenting how freaking cool the build service or 1-click install is...
      • autoatsakiklis, on 04/20/2008, -0/+11) Ubuntu has tens of thousands of packages accessible from official repos and launchpad usrers have ability to make their own repos.
        2) Probably you are right.
        3) You can download *buntu CD which siuts you. Just 700MB, not gigabytes. You always can install what you want from tens of thousands of packages in official repos.
        4) Yes, suse boots prety quick, but i have no problems with other distros too.
        5) Artwork: yes i like suse's better.
        6) Never used that (can't comment)
        7) Could be, new developments had made package management very fast. In previous versions it took much time just to download package descriptions (since every package has description in separate file)!
        8) +1 for Live USB image.
    • weizbox, on 04/19/2008, -0/+7You would think he would stop making these comments after being dugg down multiple times in multiple articles while basically doing the same thing. Maybe he didn't get the memo that the Ubuntu users don't want to look like distro elitist assholes anymore.
    • InorganicMatter, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3Ubuntu: an ancient African word meaning "I fail at installing the real Debian."
  • crashlock, on 04/19/2008, -9/+6Love the idea of this guys. But for the love of god don't make it look like Windoze XP. It looks so kiddy! :(
    • weizbox, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4don't worry... their theme managers are a lot more customizable than what you get with XP. I don't think many people stick with defaults anyways.
    • ksoul, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1While SOME aspects of the GUI may resemble windows, plasma is absolutely anything but. If you do a bit of research you will soon see this yourself. I feel that the interface is well thought out and very user friendly. On top of that, Windows does not even remotely offer the type of desktop customization that KDE does.
      Given enough time I truly think that OpenSuse, KDE 4, and its future releases will truly revolutionize PC computing.
  • opusaz, on 04/19/2008, -0/+10Yup, still one of the best looking distros. My computer-novice employees baulk at Ubuntu but are much more accepting of openSUSE.
    • weizbox, on 04/19/2008, -6/+3pfff, they're almost identical.... and if you wanted to, you could make either distro look/feel/function EXACTLY the same other than some of the config/package management stuff... which I would assume your 'computer-novice employees' shouldn't be worrying about anyways :)
      • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -3/+4No, they aren't.
        • weizbox, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1do you have multiple significant examples from the viewpoint of an employee who would be using it at work? (just to stay on topic)

          I know the package managers are different.. and some default out-of-the-box settings may not be the same... but the actually packages used are VERY similar... especially after it would be configured for a work computer.
      • svivian, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Can you get the nice icons on the buttons (from GNOME) using KDE?
        (I know you can choose GNOME in SuSE but I keep hearing KDE and GNOME can be made to look exactly the same...)
        • weizbox, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1making KDE and Gnome look the same might be tricky(depending on which one you want the other one to look like).. but considering with both distros you can use KDE or Gnome... you could make them look the same by having the same desktop env.
  • icewolf316, on 04/19/2008, -1/+12How fast is the package manager compared to apt? I tried 10.3 and it was painfully slow and was the only thing that bothered me.
  • HalFTW, on 04/19/2008, -0/+24Found this hilarious link from the article: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/qt4-rocks.p ...
  • dualscreenman, on 04/19/2008, -0/+8*Comments as a Kubuntu user/Opensuse outsider*
    Mrhm, I can't say I like the blue-tinted Oxygen window decoration, but that's all themeable anyway. The non-default Plasma theme that they are using looks quite good, and their specialized Plasma branch is pretty cool as well. I would love to see lzma-compressed packages appear in Kubuntu and/or all Debian based systems, such as introduced by suse.

    This is some pretty cool stuff!-- long live innovation brought about by the existence of multiple distributions!
  • digitallysick, on 04/19/2008, -13/+4*cough linux mint*
    • SnowCrashv5, on 04/19/2008, -3/+7***** off with your ubuntu crap. Suse is years beyond it.
      • vincentweber, on 04/19/2008, -8/+2C'Mon... get real... SuSE hasn' t improved since 6.0.
        • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -2/+2Wow, I gotta get my hands on the versions of SuSE YOU must have, because my SuSE 6 is no where NEAR as good as 9 or 10, and decades away from the new beta.
          • vincentweber, on 04/20/2008, -3/+0I tried 10.2 and the new beta and the last release before the beta... SuSE has no purpose for anything. It aims to be the purpose for everything, but is not the best in any of these areas. I mean... what makes SuSE so great? What makes SuSE stand out? I could not find anything. It is filled with Ms compatibility stuff but I have all that too in Ubuntu. So if you could enlight me on the matter than that would be great. And what has improved? Yast?
          • aatiis, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Why is there always a fight for distros? I mean, both SuSE and Ubuntu are great. And even then, there are things that can be done more easily with a good BackTrack3 (beta).
            Our University has it's own distro, which is far less usable than the major ones, still people (like us) care to work on it.
      • SnowCrashv5, on 04/20/2008, -1/+3Suse hasn't hmm? Ever done disk management in Suse? It puts Ubuntu's to shame. In fact just about all config tools via Yast blow everything Ubuntu does out of the water, and with the exception of zypper being a tad slow, i can't find a single thing wrong with it. It's repo's are just as great and debian's, but you also have the joy of knowing the rpm's are still mode widely used that debs and you can come across them on the net. It's a faster system even if it's a bigger one and has always been far more stable for me than anyting Ubuntu has ever put out. And lets not forget... the Suse teams brought us things like Compiz and AppArmor, what important project has Ubuntu contributed to the open-source world? Oh that's right they haven't contributed *****, they take other's work, slop it together, and brand it. At least debian, redhat, suse, gentoo and other REAL distro's give something back.
      • fakeollie, on 04/20/2008, -3/+2Yeah, when did the Ubuntu people ever contributed important stuff to FOSS like Novell does? Stuff like... patent protection from Microsoft? Oh wait, that's not for everybody, just for their users. And that isn't really needed, no such patents were disclosed or were a liability to being with. Nevermind, how about that famous magical interoperability with Microsoft platforms!? Oh, snap. That never came. So, how about very useful/important mono projects like Tomboy!? And well coded stuff like Beagle?! Oh, wait...
        • SnowCrashv5, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1Exactly, Ubuntu hasn't done crap in terms of patent protection, which both Novell and Redhat, as well as IBM has. And on another note, who contributes to the linux kernel? Hmm.. redhat gives a huge chunk of resources, Novell gives a quite sizeable chunk as well. Not to mention a lot of Novell's additions to both Gnome and KDE make it upstream and look at the effect compiz has had on the development of Xorg. So from technology to protecting their customers, who's done more? Ubuntu hasn't don'e crap except make a bunch of idiot windows users a bunch of idiot linux users with an attitude that's worse than the mac crowd.
    • amirman, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3i like linux mint, but i like openSUSE too, both are pretty noob friendly too.
    • digitallysick, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1I said linux mint, because it seems SuSE stole/has a similar desktop, colors and all
  • tehjarvis, on 04/19/2008, -0/+24OpenSuSE continues to be the one of the most usable and most beautiful distros out of the box.
    There are so many distros that need to take a few lessons from the OpenSuSE team on design.
    I've always loved OpenSuSE.
    • ksoul, on 04/20/2008, -1/+2I absolutely agree with you, however i'd love to see a larger amount of community support and better documentation in some areas.
      Ubuntu, for example, nails both of these. Otherwise, amazing distro.
  • displaced1, on 04/19/2008, -3/+6Anyone able to inform me on what this is, I checked out the website and wikipedia and think that its a a OS program, like windows.
    • SnowCrashv5, on 04/19/2008, -9/+4u're kidding right?
      • displaced1, on 04/19/2008, -1/+12Only reason I come to digg is for the LOLcat pictures.
    • VitaminH, on 04/19/2008, -6/+0/Snicker
    • jadrian, on 04/19/2008, -1/+13Yes you are right. It's Linux.

      Linux comes in many flavours, called distributions. They take several pieces from the many prjects out there, put them together and build a nice usable Linux Operative System. OpenSUSE is an amazing one, and this is the first Beta (testing version) for OpenSUSE 11.0. Wait for the stable version to come out and then give it a try. It's really good.
    • MrTulip, on 04/19/2008, -2/+7microsoft wouldn't allow that
  • rippin1700, on 04/19/2008, -0/+5I'm still running 10.3 but have KDE 4.02 meshed into it. Works and looks great. I've been waiting for 11 to hit Beta stage. Looks like it's time to download and check it out. Suse grabbed my attention back with version 7.1 and I've stuck with it ever since. I guess the downside is that I either need to ditch my x800XT card (yeah I know it's old, but it still works perfectly for me) or AMD needs to get on the ball with their 3D support.
    • KAMiKAZOW, on 04/20/2008, -0/+2Personally, I'm waiting until PackMan offers openSUSE 11 packages.
    • amirman, on 04/20/2008, -0/+2how functional is KDE 4 these days? i tried it out when it first came out and it sucked asssss. i always like KDE because of how customizable everything is but KDE 4 was the exact opposite of that when i tried it. i couldn't config the panel for god sakes.
  • vincentweber, on 04/19/2008, -9/+3SuSE was the first Linux distro I used. When I decided to try it again it... uhm... was nothing compared to the quality, polish and cleanness of Ubuntu. I used to have a lot of respect for Novell because they are behind a lot of important FLOSS projects, but ever since they struck a deal with Ms, I have absolutely no respect left for Novell... at all...
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3Read: http://opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS
      • vincentweber, on 04/20/2008, -3/+0I have been following the Novell stuff on countless sites including /. and a FAQ from SuSE itself won't convince me at all. Novell is evil and nothing but their actions in the future may change my opnion about them.
        • bsander, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1Your tin foil hat seems to fit a bit too tight.
      • CarzorStelatis, on 04/20/2008, -0/+2I have, and I ain't buying. Just because an FAQ says it doesn't make it true. For example Microsoft have an FAQ stating that Windows is more reliable than Linux.
  • over900000, on 04/19/2008, -11/+3Ubuntu is better.
    • nmnnotmyname, on 04/19/2008, -0/+4Your username says it all.
    • ksoul, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3Please, support your statement with conclusive evidence. I'm dying to hear your pearls of wisdom.
      Get a grip. It's Linux. Each distro has its own features and special flair, but in the end, we're all united under the same kernel ;) (different versions of course ;;))
      • Me1000, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3"Each distro has its own features and special flair, but in the end, we're all united under the same kernel ;) "

        Oh my god, that is the most amazing quote ever!
  • MrTulip, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1SuSE was my first linux, too. 5.1 or something.
    i guess when 11 finally comes out, i will give it a try again after years of mint and kubuntu.
    • arcticblue, on 04/20/2008, -0/+26.1 was my first. Bought at Best Buy back when they actually sold Linux distros right next to Windows. I never really used it that much though and stuck with Windows. Years later, I switched to Gentoo and then whatever the first version of Ubuntu was (Warty?). A few months ago, I tried openSuse 10.3 and loved it...until I met the package manager. WAY too slow and locating dependencies was the complete polar opposite of intuitive. Tried LinuxMint (the KDE version), but it has a serious problem with OpenOffice with the document turning a solid gray when I scroll. I'm using Ubuntu Hardy now (still has problems though). From what I hear, openSuse 11 has a much improved package manager so I'll definitely have to check it out. Hopefully it will let me run other admin programs while the Suse Updater is running now (that was really annoying in 10.3...can't run more than one yast app at a time).
  • raydeen, on 04/19/2008, -1/+3Long time Ubuntu user but now that they have a Live CD I'm a-gonna give it a try. (maybe they had a live CD before? I tried the DVD at one point but it balked at the install so I had to return to Ubuntu.)
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -0/+7Yes, we've had Live CDs since before Ubuntu was around actually :-)
      • nonly1n, on 04/20/2008, -0/+0indeed u did but u where sold back then...(and i dont mean the live cds)
    • amirman, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1before this new beta i believe waht they had was either a live cd or an install cd, they didn't have the installer on the live cd. this is a good development. i wonder if the live cd will let you try KDE 4, KDE 3.5 and GNOME from the same cd or dvd. that would be the besssst.
  • nimish, on 04/19/2008, -0/+3OpenSUSE has on of, if not the, best installers around. It's thorough and doesn't skimp on advanced features. It puts ubiquity to shame. Too bad the yast package manager (the rest of yast is great) blows, but smart is the best package manager for rpm out there.
    • apokryphos, on 04/19/2008, -0/+6The package manager in 11.0 ROCKS, and it's insanely fast (a lot faster than Smart). See the links from the article for a video of how fast it is.
      • newwatch51, on 04/22/2008, -0/+1Awesome, I hated how slow the package manager in 10.3 was. Maybe I'll get the ISO.
  • ksoul, on 04/20/2008, -0/+5I've downloaded this from one of the official mirrors as there are not enough seeds to support a painless download. I can hardly wait to test out the new Zypper! I'll be happy once the finishing touches are put on this one with regards to wireless. Another distro already supports my wireless card out of the box with a similar kernel and this one is looking to be the same way.

    I've only been using 10.3 for a few months after years of Using Ubuntu and Gentoo, but it's already made it's way in as my new primary OS.

    The screenshots show an amazing amount of polish compared to the previous alpha. I can't wait to get it installed!
  • MrViklund, on 04/20/2008, -0/+5openSUSE is really a great system and with a big company like Novell in the back to secure the project it's great!
  • bagboyrebel, on 04/20/2008, -0/+2OpenSUSE was my first distro, and it looks like it's getting better. Too bad Ubuntu is so far the only distro I could get working properly on my laptop (pavillion dv9000). Any word on stability issues? When I tried it on my laptop it would freeze whenever I tried anything 3D.
    • ksoul, on 04/20/2008, -0/+5You're likely using an Nvidia card and need to patch the driver for use with OpenSuse 11. Google their bugzilla for more info.
      • nmnnotmyname, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1No, the freezing bug is different. The bug your talking about is when NVidia drivers do not compile.
      • bagboyrebel, on 04/20/2008, -0/+1well it is actually an NVIDIA card, but the problem was with 10, not 11.
  • kendawg, on 04/20/2008, -9/+2So much for that. I downloaded it and booted from the CD. It came up with a command prompt that told me to type in Live-System and press enter to boot. That didn't work, it said the Live-System image can't be found. Ummm yeah, that will really make me want to switch to SUSE.
    • renegadeafk, on 04/20/2008, -1/+4It's only a beta dude, it's going to be buggy.
      • kendawg, on 04/20/2008, -4/+2uhh no. It shouldn't NOT WORK when you do exactly what it tells you to do.
        • ZPWeeks, on 04/20/2008, -1/+4uhh no. You cannot make any demands on pre-release software. You install it, you accept that things are not going to work as planned.
          • CarzorStelatis, on 04/20/2008, -3/+1Erm.. actually a beta isn't supposed to have a feature that simply doesn't work at all. You're thinking of a pre-alpha.
    • TWIXMIX, on 04/20/2008, -0/+6Just hit enter without typing "Live-System" in. That's what I had to do. Perhaps you should try different things before complaining and giving up.
      • kendawg, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3Thanks. I tried a bunch of different options like livesystem, live-system, Live System, help, etc. I just figured since it told me to type Live-System, then I should type it :)

        I'll give it another try, since I really liked it a couple years ago.
  • al11588, on 04/20/2008, -15/+0I do not know which is gayer an OS with the name Susie or another OS named after the Dalai Lama aka Ubuntu. Then we got Apple the biggest fruit of them all. Microsoft-FTW
    • nmnnotmyname, on 04/20/2008, -0/+9lol, nice

      Most people didn't get this, its obvious sarcasm. Nobody says Microsoft FTW and means it.
      • al11588, on 04/20/2008, -7/+0I mean it I hope you jump off a cliff and die.
  • meteorash, on 04/20/2008, -1/+2I was so eager to try the new "version" of openSuse since I didn't quite stick long to 10.3 cos of many obvious reasons. Unfortunately their 'Live-System' in this version DOES NOT BOOT which is a pathetic let down. Now why wouldn't they test their live cd's before releasing them?
    • darkchild, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1The discs I downloaded work fine for me (KDE4 live version and GNOME live version). This is a testing release after all and you can't expect all things to be perfect, so thats why if you experience problems, ideally you should file a bug report.
    • apokryphos, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1Just press
  • radius7, on 04/20/2008, -0/+8wow .. I just love the new beautiful installer.
  • amrhassan, on 04/20/2008, -0/+9the new installer is so shiny, i want one.
    • nonly1n, on 04/20/2008, -0/+0if only the installer was the only thing our OS was supposed to do :)
  • sontek, on 04/20/2008, -0/+3This is the best openSUSE release i've used so far!
  • InorganicMatter, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1OpenSUSE has always been much more friendly to me than Ubuntu, with one exception: it HATES my X1950Pro video card. I don't know which to blame, ATI or Linux in general, but regardless, the driver support is spotty at very best.

    That being said, OpenSUSE is still my very favorite distro of choice for older hardware that's got much more support (Pentium 2/3's, GeForce 2's, etc.). Their package management system is great, and they don't go out of their way to make it difficult to install closed source components (looking at you, Ubuntu).
    • CarzorStelatis, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1You mean that Ubuntu that automatically installs closed source drivers if it detects components that need them (wifi card etc.)? Are we talking about the same distro or have you found some OTHER Ubuntu in the intertubes?
  • salazarmark, on 04/20/2008, -7/+1NO ONE CARES EXCEPT DIGGER BASEMENT DWELLER LOSERS.
  • nonly1n, on 04/20/2008, -1/+1mybirth >>> win95 >>> winXP >>> slackware 8.0 >>> Mandrake(hated it but it workd just reminded me of windows) >>> SuSE (loved it and finally felt @ home) >>> Ubuntu 4.? (thought we started heading backwards) >>> winXP (didnt have the internet so i had to head back) >>> Ubuntu 7.04 (never lookd back since but honestly i would have ended up with SuSE, just that i found myself feeling way too comfortable to want to change) ama try it out if i have another box to install it on until then... ama keep watching YouTube Videos
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