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- HamNCheese, on 01/02/2009, -4/+44...until you realize you can make $100,000 making fart apps for the iPhone
- jackcrack7, on 01/02/2009, -1/+28What revision of the phone has a headphone jack? I just got a G1 and it doesn't have a headphone jack.
- krazyDigger, on 01/02/2009, -11/+29Android FTW
- buddyw, on 01/02/2009, -2/+17Motorola, Sony Ericsson, and Samsung are all working on android phones. HTC (the maker of the G1) is also coming out with another (probably called G2). We are about to see a flood of these things, so If you don't like what is out just wait. There will be many more in 2009.
As this thing gains momentum, I can't help but notice that this is playing out the same as the Apple vs Microsoft situation decades ago. Apple (still Apple) starts out with a great product, but won't let go of the hardware. Microsoft (now Google) brings in hardware competition and openness to drive down costs and spurn innovation.
I guess they will never learn. Keeping things locked down will only work in new markets, and it never lasts (see Pc's, Ma Bell, Music Players, etc) On the other hand, they have always maintained a fairly steady market share. Maybe that's all they want. - Trifold, on 01/02/2009, -1/+15Well, I like mine. So they got that going for them.
- ozborn, on 01/02/2009, -1/+14It comes with an adapter.
- TheLoneWolf071, on 01/02/2009, -2/+14I've had one... It's a great phone, the SDK is awesome, very easy and open to use, unlike iPhones, which you need a Mac to develop with... The phone is short on battery life if you say want to actually use the features on the phone...
- suttin, on 01/02/2009, -1/+9That was the point of this phone. While the hardware may change from phone to phone, the idea was to have the same OS on every phone.
- danjohadley, on 01/02/2009, -1/+9I have one, and yes, while the battery life is short and the design isn't to die for, I've never had a better phone. The keyboard is wonderful to use and Android really is amazing. I look forward to the next android phone, but until something really special comes out I'm sticking with the trusty g1, i can barely fault it.
- adkenc, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4Android Dev Phone 1 is an enticing phone for app developers ?
- blackjack75, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4Well, sell davcross the adapter and make 10 bucks.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+4Android is the new operating system that surpasses the OS you have on your iPhone. It is more customizable and have more functions than Apple's counterpart. For example... Multi-tasking, cut and paste, MMS, expandable memory (G1), and open source apps. The only thing that the iPhone has on the G1 is it's slim looks, but put a case protector on the thing (and everybody does) and it becomes a brick. Multi-touch you say? Well, the G1 has a capacitive screen from Synaptics(just like Apple) that is capable of that, but Apple patented the "gestures" of pinch zooming. Coming from a 1st generation iPhone, I will say that the G1 was a big upgrade for me.
- alealea, on 01/02/2009, -4/+8This just tell you what kind of apps one can develop for iPhone. iPhone is all about trivialization and form, Android is about the substance although the form is coming up, too.
50% Android apps that are currently on Android AppMarket can't even be developed on iPhone as the iPhone platform is locked down and not as sophisticated as Android (you can't even think about developing something like Android's Locale app on iPhone, for example).
iPhone is the best farting device out there, hands down! - HonoredMule, on 01/02/2009, -1/+5They already have that kind of flexibility to cripple the Linux-based operating systems they're already using.
And we can just as easily un-cripple them back to a useful state. The real trump card is that they control the hardware...except when they don't, because you had the presence of mind to buy from a 3rd party (you know, how free markets are /supposed/ to work). - manitoba98xp, on 01/02/2009, -0/+4Just thought I'd mention that the G1 is on T-Mobile, not Verizon. The Blackberry Storm is Verizon's flagship smartphone right now.
- jeffclark, on 01/03/2009, -0/+3iPhone = cheerleader.
G1 = cute girl with great sense of humor.
One screws you and you stick with the other forever. - alealea, on 01/02/2009, -1/+4Twist it around. It is not Android dealing with phones. It is phone manufacturers dealing with Android. Just like you buy laptop with Windows from Dell or from Lenovo...
- Lazybones, on 01/02/2009, -2/+5Exactly, without the direct marketing to the user with the ability to easily charge for your application it is not as an attractive platform.
iFart probably has the highest effort to profit ratio of any mobile app out there right now. Using Xcode to toss up a button interface and play sounds probably took less than an 1/2 hour even less if the developer already was a Mac developer. - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+3@str1f3
A response to your statements.
"Yeah, you'll love the g1. tons of customizations will make it look like the next myspace page."
So...since when is great customization a bad thing? If you had the option on your iPhone, I'm sure you wouldn't complain.
"You'll also love those apps running in the background and the 2hr battery life that will go with it."
I constantly have 3 processes running and getting good battery life. I charge about as much or less than I did with my iPhone.
"You'll also love the 500 different user interfaces that go with it because there aren't really any user interface guidlines."
500 interfaces? Really now. It's basically click, hold, and drag. Use the device before making false statements.
"The expandable memory you mention is only up 16gb. The same as the high end iPhone. Those other things will eventually come to the iPhone but there are other things such as stability ( which android ignored) which are higher on apple's list and should be."
Yes it is only up to 16gb for now. 32GB and even up to 64 is possible in the future MicroSD format. You are stuck with what you have. Even the battery isn't changable. Once you start losing your charge you have to send it to Apple and pay to get it replaced. 3 days without a phone to change the battery?
"The app store over time has been loosening up on the restrictions and will do moreso in the future. I'd rather have apple worry about security first than the openness of the platform."
Not really. Apple tries everything to avoid any trouble and has very strict guidelines on what apps are acceptable for you to use. SpoofApp for example.
"Less than a week into therelease there were exploits already out with security holes that google left wide open."
Yes, and it was fixed promptly. Don't forget when 1st Gen iPhone came out there were a lot of problems as well.
"If the g1 & android were so special, it would be outselling everybody. As it is I hear more about the storm than I do about android. By the way I'm sure the developers are gonna love writing apps for the 50 different kinds of handsets that these manufacturers are going to make rather than just 1 for the iphone."
It is greatly surpassing sales expectations. About three times as much than expected. In the first two months it sold about 1.5 million. You might hear more about the storm because it just came out. Most I hear are complaints.
"To run android, phone manufacturers will need to make it's so funny listening to the android nuts and there jokes of fart apps. There would be a ton of fart apps on android marketplace but there are no apps to buy."
There is a fart app. Two actually. There aren't any apps to buy because paid apps will not be allowed until the end of January. You can choose from about a hundred free apps on the marketplace now.
I forgot to mention a few things on my last post to prove my point. Adobe recently showed a G1 using Flash9 and are releasing it soon. Apple won't allow it because it will cause competition with the apps that you pay for. Flash games, applications, and services will make a lot of paid apps obsolete. Once this happens, I suspect that Apple will squeeze all the money it can from the App Store for about a year and release a new iPhone with Flash. So that would ultimately mean that Flash capable Android phones will be more attractive to consumers than the limited OS of the iPhone for some time.
Also to the trolls that complain about no 3mm Jack! The G1 is getting A2DP via an update. Which means stereo bluetooth headphones instead of needing wires like the iPhone. More advanced, don't you think? - eshelbyk, on 01/02/2009, -0/+3Sadly there is...
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+2@Kizmar. Well. If I was in your shoes, multi-tasking and upcoming Flash compatible browser would easily pull me away from the iPhone. How can Steve Jobs not allow Flash on their browser is beyond me.
- Ericdigital, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2I've definitely been enjoying my storm, though it has some little quirks. It's good..I think..Maybe I'm in Denial.
- n0c0ntr0l, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2One Reason why Android is going to take off is because it's free fore phone markers. Google are happy for any device to use it. I wouldn't be surprised to see it start appearing on mp3 players next. And there is no reason why it shouldn't. It gives access to phone maker's to add a vibrant working OS without much work, and the knowledge that the OS will be updated and security holes fixed without any work from then. I think android is going to become a big thing for this reason.
- chaos36, on 01/02/2009, -2/+4Not worried about the headphone jack as AD2p is coming this month. Bluetooth headphones are what I would like to use.
- ozborn, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2I don't know what revision you have, but mine came with an headphone and an adpater (no headphone jack though).
- JuanBSU, on 01/02/2009, -6/+8iPhone users FTL!
- HonoredMule, on 01/02/2009, -1/+3So basically you're saying ignorance and/or fear of (in this instance) technology is the primary hurdle that imprisons the masses. That's not exactly a ground-breaking revelation.
But I'm not spewing open-source-deifying rhetoric as you seem to believe I am. Rather, the thrust of my comment is that many phones already run Linux and as such we already have a perfect example of how Android will operate in the real world (in terms of system lockdown and anticompetitive behavior)...very much like the current status quo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not also the gist of your own presumably dissenting reply?
For the record, even non-geeks can buy a non-subsidized phone and sidestep the whole fiasco, if they so value the freedom of their devices. If you want a free (libre) phone, try buying it from someone who doesn't have the capacity to continually re-sell the /use/ of your phone back to you, and then it won't be taken away in the first place. - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+2Android it's good for app developers but the phone hardware is mediocre. I'm waiting for a good android phone to buy one.
- inactive, on 01/02/2009, -2/+4As much as I find the iPhone spam to be very annoyng, the Andoid spam is slowly catching up with it. These open source android articles apply to very few people, not everyone is a programer, not everyone owns a google phone. They seem only to reitterate the most obvious feature of the sofware, that its open source. Just how the iPhone "Top 10 Best / Worst / Best Of 2008" articles reitterate that the iPhone has a nifty software catalog.
- blackjack75, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2Android is getting paid applications in Q1 2009 (eg. soon, can't remember the exact date). Many handset builders have commited to building Android phones (motorola, htc, sonyericsson). It's a reasonable opportunity to be ready when all those brands start pumping out android phones.
As of today yes, your chances are bigger on the app store (although to expect to make a fortune or even a living is still optimistic given the amount of competition general preference for free apps). - MattBD, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2Well, the G1 is only the first Android phone, and HTC aren't a terribly well known manufacturer. Sony Ericsson have signed up, and Sony make really nice hardware, rivalling Apple.
- TheHerk, on 01/02/2009, -0/+2Precisely alealea. I believe this will be a minor issue if it is at all.
- etx313, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1Troll alert
- deadbaby, on 01/04/2009, -0/+1"Then are the utilities you won't find anywhere else, such as terminal emulation, or a full-fledged IRC client."
Plenty of other mobile platforms do these things. I find it hard to take the rest of the article seriously given this un/intentional mistruth. - Jhorra, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1This article has little to do with the title, and more to do with the last line in the description.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -1/+2@str1f3
A response to your statements.
"Yeah, you'll love the g1. tons of customizations will make it look like the next myspace page."
So...since when is great customization a bad thing? If you had the option on your iPhone, I'm sure you wouldn't complain.
"You'll also love those apps running in the background and the 2hr battery life that will go with it."
I constantly have 3 processes running and getting good battery life. I charge about as much or less than I did with my iPhone.
"You'll also love the 500 different user interfaces that go with it because there aren't really any user interface guidlines."
500 interfaces? Really now. It's basically click, hold, and drag. Use the device before making false statements.
"The expandable memory you mention is only up 16gb. The same as the high end iPhone. Those other things will eventually come to the iPhone but there are other things such as stability ( which android ignored) which are higher on apple's list and should be."
Yes it is only up to 16gb for now. 32GB and even up to 64 is possible in the future MicroSD format. You are stuck with what you have. Even the battery isn't changable. Once you start losing your charge you have to send it to Apple and pay to get it replaced. 3 days without a phone to change the battery?
"The app store over time has been loosening up on the restrictions and will do moreso in the future. I'd rather have apple worry about security first than the openness of the platform."
Not really. Apple tries everything to avoid any trouble and has very strict guidelines on what apps are acceptable for you to use. SpoofApp for example.
"Less than a week into therelease there were exploits already out with security holes that google left wide open."
Yes, and it was fixed promptly. Don't forget when 1st Gen iPhone came out there were a lot of problems as well.
"If the g1 & android were so special, it would be outselling everybody. As it is I hear more about the storm than I do about android. By the way I'm sure the developers are gonna love writing apps for the 50 different kinds of handsets that these manufacturers are going to make rather than just 1 for the iphone."
It is greatly surpassing sales expectations. About three times as much than expected. In the first two months it sold about 1.5 million. You might hear more about the storm because it just came out. Most I hear are complaints.
"To run android, phone manufacturers will need to make it's so funny listening to the android nuts and there jokes of fart apps. There would be a ton of fart apps on android marketplace but there are no apps to buy."
There is a fart app. Two actually. There aren't any apps to buy because paid apps will not be allowed until the end of January. You can choose from about a hundred free apps on the marketplace now.
I forgot to mention a few things on my last post to prove my point. Adobe recently showed a G1 using Flash9 and are releasing it soon. Apple won't allow it because it will cause competition with the apps that you pay for. Flash games, applications, and services will make a lot of paid apps obsolete. Once this happens, I suspect that Apple will squeeze all the money it can from the App Store for about a year and release a new iPhone with Flash. So that would ultimately mean that Flash capable Android phones will be more attractive to consumers than the limited OS of the iPhone for some time.
Also to the trolls that complain about no 3mm Jack! The G1 is getting A2DP via an update. Which means stereo bluetooth headphones instead of needing wires like the iPhone. More advanced, don't you think? - scm21st, on 11/02/2009, -0/+1How'd that bet work out for you?
- etx313, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1I've been wanting a G1 since they were released, but I'm not going to abandon my sprint sero plan! So i'm waiting on sprint to get an android phone. Plus, I have android on my HTC Touch and almost everything works. Between that and the SDK on my mbp I can get my android fix.
- DelMonte, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1You said:" I can't help but notice that this is playing out the same as the Apple vs Microsoft situation decades ago. "
My point was to show you that things are different now and you can't compare the current situation with what happened in the 80's with Apple and Microsoft.
"The problem with your argument is that there is no legacy giant that we are overthrowing (like IBM was with the PC). The development has not been done on any mobile platform. "
You can't discredit my argument by saying that things are different now... That was my point!
MS didn't overtake the market simply because it had a licensable OS, some key events had a big influence on the course of history.
People were choosing MS-DOS machines over Apple and others because they were "IBM compatibles". You admitted yourself, it's irrelevant now.
The most important thing for a device of this type is being "Internet compatible", and all device makers can achieve that. As for compatible applications, there are over 10,000+ apps on the appstore and those won't disappear overnight. Blackberry will have its own store, there are plenty of WinMo apps and smartphone apps are usually of a small scale and can be built relatively easily.
What I'm trying to say is that the "choice" won't be as obvious as it was for people when choosing a personal computer, and the majority of people don't care that much about the "openness" of portable devices if they can access media and information in the formats that most use (see the iPod as an example) - allthewhile, on 01/02/2009, -3/+4The Android operating system has an application market built into it right now. I regularly download applications to the phone.
1st quarter 09 (this month?) they'll be allowing for paid apps within the market. So there already is a way to easily charge and have direct marketing. - DelMonte, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2Microsoft succeeded with MS-DOS because they were lucky enough to get into a position were they could sell a solution to make computers "IBM compatible". IBM was a huge name at the time especially for businesses, and that's what made the difference.
CP/M was a much better OS than DOS, and was as "open" as DOS when it came to licenses, it was available for many brands of computers before the IBM PC was even released. It didn't succeed because it wasn't "IBM compatible" per say.
Now, Google is a huge name, but "Google compatible" doesn't mean much because every device with a web browser is "Google compatible". - herriojr, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1Can't you just get the dev phone? It's supposed to be SIM-unlocked. I don't have a SIM-unlocked one though, so I haven't tried it out.
Also, I should point out that the advantage the Android platform will have over the iPhone is that it won't be limited to a single device. People seem to keep thinking that there will be just 1 GPhone, but in actuality, any OEM can put the OS on their hardware. In a couple years, there will be more devices with the Android OS than Apple's OS.
If you compare the number of phones out in the wild to the number of people who have iPhones, you'll notice that the iPhone is just a small subset, even in the smartphone market. I really don't think the iPhone will be as big of a hit as the iPods were. iPods really solved a problem in the market, where I feel that the iPhone is just all hype and didn't solve any real problems for the consumer. - inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1He must work for Crapple.
- cerealjynx, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1Is there no fart app for the G1 yet?
I call dibs!! - inactive, on 01/02/2009, -1/+2But I think the monetary point is a little too hard to ignore. If you're a developer, particularly a smaller one, you have to go where you can get the most ROI. Now, hopefully there will still be the hardcore devs who develop for the coolness and innovative nature of it, but I think that will be few and far between.
Additionally, the platform-ness of Android might backfire, at least initially. Yeah, you'll be able to write for about 50 devices by the end of the year, but those won't all have the same features (radios, input method, etc.). So, that may damage developer appeal. - cowtown, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1...which is nice.
- inactive, on 01/03/2009, -0/+1Posted this comment in the wrong place.
- ZeWho, on 01/10/2009, -0/+1Prepare to lose £50.
- buddyw, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1@DelMonte
My guess is that CP/M is played this round by Symbian. Also open, but doesn't have the enthusiasm (read third party developers) of Android and Apple. That could always change if they find a way to stir up support.
The problem with your argument is that there is no legacy giant that we are overthrowing (like IBM was with the PC). The development has not been done on any mobile platform. "Google compatible" doesn't mean much, neither does Apple compatible at this point. They may mean something in the future if one of them takes hold. - etx313, on 01/02/2009, -0/+1Yeah I could shell out $400 for a phone I can't use as Sprint is CDMA and the G1 is GSM. I'm just waiting, and it hurts!!!
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