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- carro9, on 03/01/2008, -7/+121Fighting for the right of open-source? I am in!
- Vaeduus, on 03/01/2008, -7/+54Dear Nvidia,
We will help you fix your memory bugs.
Signed, Open Source. - aldenhg, on 03/01/2008, -12/+55You know, my support for open drivers goes a lot farther when the drivers produced don't get the job done, as ATi's didn't until quite recently. Nvidia really takes care of its Linux customers and I've not once had a driver issue with any of my Nvidia hardware. I'm not saying it's bad to ask - I'm just saying we don't need to get our feathers ruffled over t.
- browner, on 03/01/2008, -5/+46It's their only hope of staying competitive in the eyes of the OSS community who now see open specifications from both Intel and AMD/ATI. Which product would you choose!?
I can't imagine NVIDIA ignoring that. It's just a matter of time - maybe a few thousand signatures will speed things up.
SIGN IT PEOPLE! :) - receev, on 03/01/2008, -0/+37Thank you for your thoughtful contribution. I agree with your stance on this issue.
- gordmoo, on 03/01/2008, -3/+28with ATI's closed source drivers i recommended that people buy Nvidia/intel instead, now with ATI's closed source drivers being okay and the open specifications i find myself recommending ATI/Intel. There are problems with releasing the drivers as free/open-source software but at least give us some specifications :) it can't hurt!
- GramarNatzi, on 03/01/2008, -1/+25Now if you could just reverse engineer the resulting modules... problem solved!
- Sammi84, on 03/01/2008, -1/+2211100011000101010111100001010000101000100100000101010010101010000111000011101011110100110000001001011001010001010111100010001001001110101010110100011110101011010110101110100010101101011101110001101010100100010110101111101010000001010010000000010100100001010000000000
Who doesn't understand that? - Codes02, on 03/01/2008, -1/+21STOP TAINTING MY KERNEL!
- theOster, on 03/01/2008, -0/+18but sometimes....i see a 2...
- andycr512, on 03/01/2008, -2/+17"How long have the ATI specs been out? And the drivers still suck."
A few months? That's not enough time to write a robust driver for all ATI cards, specs or no specs. - sirhomer, on 03/01/2008, -0/+14That's exactly why we NEED specs. Those crappy wireless drivers are only crappy because the manufacturer of said wireless card refuses to release specs and uses shoddy design like driver based firmware. I'm looking at you Broadcom.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -2/+15Dugg.
Regardless of whatever the hell comments are above (I'll read them in a moment) NVidia open sourcing their drivers will bring nothing but good to the Linux and FreeBSD communities. People will contribute to these drivers, believe it or not. I have installed FreeBSD recently only to find out they don't have accelerated NVidia 3D drivers for the AMD64 architecture. (Yes, i have in fact read all the various available crap on the internet.) - sirhomer, on 03/01/2008, -4/+17Open the specs Nvidia!
- Disfnord, on 03/01/2008, -0/+13There's no such thing as two.
- Kyle0wnsyou, on 03/01/2008, -1/+14If this gets through, maybe we can finally get some optimized NVIDIA drivers for OS X.
- daftie, on 03/01/2008, -2/+14Vote for a Greener Linux!
- MikeSD34, on 03/01/2008, -2/+13They haven't had the specification very long, but I'll take some hardware acceleration on non 32-bit X86 over none.
Fast easy to use binary drivers aren't satan incarnate if they're available for your platform, but that isn't always the case. - LingNoi, on 03/01/2008, -1/+10You can play HL2, Portal through steam on Linux via wine.
Stop repeating crap your wintard friends say. - jdhore1, on 03/01/2008, -12/+21I agree that this would be a great move and i did sign the petition, but nVidia not releasing their card specs doesn't bother me too much. The cards (hardware wise) are still much better than ATI or Intel (Except the new Intel GMA X4500) and the drivers are better as well so i don't see too much incentive to switch....Sorta the same reason why i use AIM, MSN Messenger, YIM, Skype, Adobe Flash, etc...I enjoy having a fully-OSS system, but if it's at the point where having it inhibits the things i do daily, i'm more than happy to use some closed-source stuff...As long as it works.
- jawnboy, on 03/01/2008, -1/+10Nvidia has released drivers for linux for quite some time, that isn't the issue. The issue is that if they would open source the drivers then the community could address the problems that come up in a more timely fashion and ensure that the hardware works better with the software that is being created.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -2/+10i support this message
- MikeSD34, on 03/01/2008, -2/+10I'm also aware that a crappy crashy video is better then NO video. I'm not saying they're a good company, just that open source drivers are a good thing even if you only facilitated them happening instead of preventing them from happening.
- andycr512, on 03/01/2008, -4/+12I don't have to be thankful. If they stop supporting my platform, I stop supporting them. That's how business works.
- schoate09, on 03/01/2008, -1/+9santaligueur, you fail.
He was stating that about the most code you'll view from that package is binary, because they're binary drivers, not OPEN source. - sq377, on 03/01/2008, -0/+7When I clicked the red thumbs down button... I pressed the button really hard.
- inactive, on 03/01/2008, -2/+9You are an idiot.
*cough* N-O-U-V-E-A-U *cough*
Plus, its hard! they have the specs we don't. Genius. If you really think its that easy, then prove it. - andycr512, on 03/01/2008, -1/+8You're forgetting something, too. The target market for their cards is not limited to gaming. http://www.nvidia.com/page/workstation.html
Besides, you aren't really naive enough to believe that nVidia would produce drivers for an OS just to be nice at the expense of their bottom line, are you? - andycr512, on 03/01/2008, -1/+8Telling myself -what-? That a company that large would spend thousands to develop drivers for a platform that holds no benefits for them?
- WayOfTheIronPaw, on 03/01/2008, -0/+7Graphics cards are used for lots of things: desktop effects (and Compiz on Linux does a better job of that than Vista), computer-aided design, visualisations for mathematics, science and engineering, and so on. In other words: both work and play.
As for games under Linux, you can play Half Life, http://lhl.linuxgames.com/howto.shtml, if you have some determination. Some games are written for Linux, many are not. If the games in question is Open Source or a commercial release with Linux as a supported platform, e.g. DOOM 3, then you're golden. Of the open source variety, my personal favourite is Nexuiz - check out the video here http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz/ - you can also try that one on Windows. As for playing Windows games on Linux, many ARE supported, as evidenced by the list on Wine's web site here: http://appdb.winehq.org/.
I think the point I would like to impress on you is that there are *enough* games on Linux to keep you happy for a very long time. Personally, that's not the reason why I choose to run Linux. I choose to run Linux because the alternative, Windows, is buggy and insecure and limits my choices. I choose to run Linux because I choose to NOT RUN ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. ;-) And I've been doing that little trick for 13 years. - Kral, on 03/01/2008, -0/+7PC gamers are part of the enthusiast crowd that often has a dual boot GNU/Linux setup. Me, for example - I buy a $4k system every two years for gaming and GNU/Linux. Since ATI and NVidia performance is about equal for Windows gaming, the deciding factor for me has been Linux support. I used to always go NVidia due to their Linux drivers being much better than ATI's, but now that ATI is Open Sourcing their drivers, my next system will be ATI based.
- brian1027, on 03/01/2008, -2/+9Digg, Digg, Digg!
- Fergy, on 03/01/2008, -0/+6I run Windows most of the time and like games so I could either choose Ati or Nvidia for my next gpu. I also like to try out linux and I might switch over in the future. If Ati and Nvidia are equal on Windows then Linux support will make the difference for me. I would even take a slower card just to get a great experience in Linux.
- srg13, on 03/01/2008, -0/+6It's possible that whoever wrote the letter was not a native English speaker
- kamisama, on 03/01/2008, -0/+6Instead of bitching why not write a better version? Since your English skills are superior. I agree that it looks unprofessional, but at least the guy/girl who wrote it took initiative.
- eFiniTi, on 03/01/2008, -0/+6No excuse is needed for the others, they work.
http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/293 ... - norman619, on 03/01/2008, -4/+10You are aware of the fact that ATI is nortorious for thier ***** drivers and apps right? They bunred me quite a few times which is why I refuse to buy anything ATI.
- rtfx, on 03/01/2008, -0/+5http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/
Wrong, you missed the recent news and the whole point of this article too. - screensnot, on 03/01/2008, -0/+5It seems to me that the best way to convince nVidia to do this, would be to make some good OSS drivers for ATI. Then, when ATI becomes the default Linux card, nVidia won't need to be prodded.
- grumpyrain, on 03/01/2008, -0/+5Or more specifically, whether the OSS community intersects with NVidia's target market to the degree they hope it does. A large group with little intersection with the target market will be ignored. A small group containing a significant overlap will see results.
But signatures do very little because it is not a native business tongue. Businesses speak the language of money. You tell NVidia you don't like the fact they refuse to open drivers by purchasing competing chipsets who do support open drivers. - tech42er, on 03/01/2008, -0/+5A year and a half ago, people were railing against AMD/ATI for not supporting the OS community. Funny how things change.
- centx, on 03/01/2008, -1/+5At least AMD/ATI is trying to do something, recently making documentation available for developers coding ATI OSS X drivers (RadeonHD).
- cornflakepirate, on 03/01/2008, -0/+4Because it's not finished yet. You fail at patience.
- sq377, on 03/01/2008, -1/+5Do your research, ATI released the 3d specs for their cards.
- VinceNoir, on 03/01/2008, -1/+5Yeah right. Like that'll ever happen! Dirty hippies:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item ...
http://www.linux.com/feature/118833
http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/03/02/ubuntu-to ... - AsamabinMaro, on 03/01/2008, -0/+4Think we could get one of these going for Creative?
Would love my soundcard to work in Ubuntu :-P - scottmc, on 03/01/2008, -0/+4OSS does not equal just Linux. There's also others out there like Haiku, SkyOS and others that would benefit from having the specs opened.
- cornflakepirate, on 03/01/2008, -1/+5I disagree.
- gudnbluts, on 03/01/2008, -0/+4"While we are gracious that your company provides one of the best closed-source graphics drivers for Linux"
The whole thing reads like it was written by somebody who doesn't speak English as a first language. They could at least have got someone to proofread the letter. "Gracious" indeed. -
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