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- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29@Coffeecup
I have been using Linux since 1995 and have had a linux only machine since 2000. The only time I had issues with drivers in any of these machines was with my current laptop which has a broadcom wireless card. I had to get the Windows driver to install using ndiswrapper and everything works. On my desktop which runs linux it is even better, everything is detected at install, and outside of installing the 3D drivers for nvidia, everything else works.
So unless you buy really obscure or ***** hardware, I don't see how you have driver problems. Linux ships with more drivers for more obscure hardware than Windows XP and Mac OS X combined. If you are planning on building a new machine, then might as well search for well supported hardware. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25"that requires some crazy piping and hexa-cryptic mess to implement."
I actually laughed out loud when I read this guy's description. Your views of Linux are so horribly skewed.....probably a product of MS brainwashing and never actually using Linux.
Thank you for making my day FUD-tastic. - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28Dear Linux haters,
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5. Click the "Save Changes" button - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Enlightenment is quite pretty as well (out of the box), but it's often overlooked
http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/Screenshots/
It can even run on Pentium I's (166MHz).
Hers it is as a video:
http://slated.org/e17_on_etch - drakia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19The only identity Linux really has is that of it's user, it can be whatever you want it to be
- Julolidine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Drivers are non-existent?
Everything on my computer right now has an appropriate driver - from sound card to video card - including wireless card via a wrapper.
There is not as much support, true. But this is more the fault of the hardware manufacturers then not providing the necessary information. - Julolidine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10It does have an identity: you.
I don't mean to sound like Linux fanboy, but simply the way the OS setup, there is no common 'look' to it, because you have to chose how you want it to look. From window borders, to icons, to the position of everything, its all changeable.
Each distro starts with a certain 'look' because they've preselected their combination of icons/colors/window borders. - Pas3n7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I believe the operative word was "supertight."
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Why does the world need a standard? Power users tweak the appearance of their windows computers, illiterate users leave it the way it is. It's the same thing with linux.
- Kanundra, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Google caught it before it went down:
http://72.14.203.104/search?hs=sUq&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.lynucs.org&btnG=Search - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9You're missing the point. Linux isn't made to "have a standard". It's not about conformity; it's about choice. Anything that can be done within the window manager can be done using the terminal. If you want a "standard" desktop, you can change your session at the login screen.
There are common desktops and window managers and decorators and the like. I'm a long time Windows user, but I've always favored the Mac interface, even though I've never owned a Mac. Some people prefer Gnome and some people prefer KDE. They can co-exist on the same machine and different users can pick from amongst the many choices. - ISVDamocles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@timxpx: I don't really see how it could be hard to install the binary nvidia drivers in Ubuntu!
1) Start the Synaptic Package Manager (In Gnome, Click the System menu, move to Settings, then click Synaptic Package Manager)
2) Enter your password and hit enter.
3) Click the "Search" button and type "nvidia"
4) Click the checkbox on nvidia-glx, then click Apply.
5) Wait for it to install, then restart your computer.
You now have the binary drivers nVidia provides installed. The driver description in Synaptic mentions that it supports the Quadro cards, too. - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9sorry, digg down
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@jeriqo
"But the world needs a standard."
And thanks to the UNIX world you are able to post this on the Internet for all to see; not because of Microsoft and their "standard" desktop
"Imagine if Linux had 90% market share like Microsoft, and all the computers on earth had a different UI, that would be an infamous mess.
And most of the time it would end up looking like a myspace profile"
Let me make my point this way: You mean MySpace as in one of THE most visited and used social networks on the planet? Just because you think it [MySpace] is an "infamous mess" I bet you the users themselves do not hence the sheer popularity of it. Who should decide? Jeriqo or the actual users? Just something to think about using your own example. - yenster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@CoffeeCup:
Say, brother...you got any Windows X64 drivers for my partner's WLAN card? 'Cause last time I checked, virtually no network gear manufacturers were interested in supporting 64-bit Windows (with the possible exception of Intel, but certainly not NetGear nor Belkin nor DLink nor LinkSys). So, my partner is firmly stuck in a 32-bit world while running her 64-bit CPU. The ironic thing is that I'll probably be able to get her to dual-boot into 64-bit Linux with a working wlan card by wrapping around 32-bit Windows drivers that X64 and Vista won't support.
Oh, another thing for those Windows fanbois who tell us that "Macs are just overpriced PCs:" go out and find me a CardBus adapter that works with motherboards based on the nVidia NForce3 chipset. Won't happen. So much for Plug N Play, I guess. I'd be willing to bet a week's pay it'll work on her old Mac G4, though. Stuff just works on a Mac. You'd think that with all the Windows folks out there currently running something based on the NForce3 chipset (old, yes--but still extremely common), the card adapter folks would put a nice, big warning on the box: "NOTICE. If you're running an nVidia-based motherboard, you're screwed big time with this product. Or any PCMCIA adapter, for that matter." Oh, and that new 250 gB Maxtor SATA drive that she bought? Oops, apparently Maxtor and nVidia have an "issue" with firmware/drivers on some Maxtor SATA hard drives with the controllers on nVidia-based motherboards. It's a no go as well.
I really, really should have discouraged her from ever considering a Windows box. On second thought, maybe not--I take possession of the new toys she can't get to work under Windows and I use 'em on my Linux box. - wirelesshnic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I use a distro called ELive and I enjoy it a lot. It uses the Enlightenment and I thoroughly enjoy it. www.elivecd.org if any are interested.
- InsaneMachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The Coral Cache works better for me.
http://www.lynucs.org.nyud.net:8090/ - ndonohue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5DeviantArt and Gnome-look.org (and its affiliates) actually have better screens and are updated more regularly. Lynucs.org's "Best" screens have stayed the same ever since I first went to that site back in early November.
- ISVDamocles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@wirelesshnic: I used Elive for a while, too. I love Enlightenment, but since Elive is such a small distro, they couldn't conceivably support all the applications I like to try, and laptop support isn't as good as the "Big Four" (Debian/Ubuntu, SuSE, Gentoo, and Fedora; at least in my opinion).
OpenSuSE has Enlightenment packages, so I tried that for a while, but their package management system is maddening after being used to the Debian way of doing things. (Why, for instance, does the package installer run the config scripts for *every* application installed on your computer every time you update?) For a while, I used a weird mash of Debian, Ubuntu, and Elive (since they're all Debian or Debian-based) to get what I want, but then I found out about Ebuntu for Ubuntu and now I have a near-svn up-to-date version of E17 with no stability problems since I'm not mixing packages from different distributions together.
It's pretty amazing to me, but Ubuntu+Ebuntu is an E17 that "just works." All the gadgets on my screen were set up basically as they were (except for placement, size, etc) with little to no configuration on my part (only some conf file editing for ALSA to do what I wanted).
Oh, right. I haven't posted my desktop for you to see what I'm talking about. Here's my very pretty, functional desktop, if I do say so myself: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=105312691545bf7751173ef&p=screen - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5See http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=174939 for a list of distributions that can be put on pen drives. Some of them may fit on a 512, but I'm guessing that a 1GB drive is the minimum for most of them.
You should try a bunch of them to ensure that your hardware works before installing one. Between different distros, the hardware support can vary greatly. The way the Live CD runs is a near-perfect indicator of how well your hardware will be supported after installation. - kriton12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Haha, love the Enlightenment project, even have a T-shirt.
http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?op=article&article_id=3762527#top
Supposedly 100% of the t-shirt profits go to the particular open source project. They have all kinds; I bought a KDE one too. I thought it was a good way to help support the project, plus my geek shirts drive my girlfriend nuts. - sailor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So after seeing these desktops...you still think Vista is all that great?
Visuals, security, stability...linux users have had it all for a long long time :) - ndonohue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Damn Small Linux is probably the most widely used small-linux out there. It only uses 50 mb.
- drpcken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been looking for a good distro to play with on a usb memory stick. I tried knoppix, but I'm having a hard time saving anything to the stick after changing configuration
/linux n00b - suckfone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@Coffeecup:
While this certainly can't be said for every piece of hardware, I've installed different distros of linux on dozens of machines with a whole range of different hardware, and I have never had an issue getting driver support for any of them. Granted, this has all been within the last few years, but it works nonetheless. Aside from that, there are a few areas where linux kicks windows' ass at driver support. Try plugging an HP printer into an XP machine and see if it grabs a driver and just works. In all likelihood, its going to want you to grab that 300mb file from HP's website which is not only a print driver, but also a boatload of software you don't want. Plug it into an Ubuntu machine, and CUPS will have you printing a minute later. - livejamie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/livejamie/iii/newl_2.jpg
i love my sabayon - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Puppy Linux is another favorite of mine.
- livestradamus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Slax is the best & easiest to boot off of USB stick. Sure, many other LiveCD's give you that.. but not as easy as Slax did it. plus its based on Slackware :)
- CoffeeCup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@EnterTheTurd
First of all: Believe it or not, this laptop was once brand new and dual boot. Wayyyy back then (3 whole years ago) Fedora 4 was the newest *****. I tried that out and also some Debian package that I actually paid cash money for. Both of them had problems with it back then and the new iterations still have problems now. What is to lead me to believe that putting the same dog of an OS on the latest, greatest hardware is going to make everything better?
Second: Aren't Linux fans incessantly howling about having to upgrade their hardware because Microsoft bloat-ware is causing them to have a coronary? Also, isn't Linux known for being able to run of any hardware, even mismatched stuff older than Jesus? It's like the poor mans OS. So don't tell me to go buy thousands of dollars worth of electronics and maybe then your OS will work.
The real problem is trying to throw logic at a certain segment of Linux users. It is like trying to argue science with the religious. They seem to miss the point of the argument on purpose... casual computer user ... and turn it into a fight because they feel threatened and distressed that their geek-pop-counterculture Linux lifestyle is being undermined. So what? - EnderTheThird, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I try out a new DVD on my old 10" B&W TV every 6-12 months, and I never notice a difference. So I don't see why I should invest $500 on an HD-DVD player for my 60" 1080p HDTV, so I'll just stick with VHS.
/sarcasm /CoffeeCup
Trying a Linux distro on a 3 year-old laptop doesn't show what progress Linux has made at all. Try it on your brand new Core 2 Duo with that 24" monitor and fancy GPU with Beryl/Compiz and tell me it has nothing to compete with Windows.
Certain hardware *IS* a pain to get to work in Linux, which is a shame, but there's only so much volunteer programmers will do on the driver side without help from manufacturers, and I don't hold that against them. "Linux" isn't out to impress anyone with each new disto/release. Fans of FOSS like to promote it because they believe in it, but don't go around spreading FUD just because of your bad experience with an outdated laptop.
In my experience, more hardware has been supported out-of-the-box in Linux than in Windows XP. The only difference is that manufacturers' drivers are usually easier to obtain for Windows if it's not working properly right away. - oobuntu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This site has hardly changed in years
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ prammy
Three letters: ATI. - ISVDamocles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@wirelesshnic: I tried Elive again very recently (about a month ago), and they don't have the "Shelves" functionality in their version of E17, yet. After using it with Ebuntu, I don't want to use E17 without that capability.
If you don't know what a "shelf" is, its similar to the panels in Gnome, except more capable. Each shelf has several properties to it that you can change, such as what gadgets it holds, how large it is, what edge of the screen its placed on, whether it expands to fill the whole screen, whether it has a background or not, and what layer of the desktop its placed on (the layers are "below everything" [same as the background layer], "below windows" [separate from the background, so effects like application shadows don't cover their gadgets, and gadget effects don't extend beyond the size of the shelf], and "above everything" [the gadget is always visible, even when you have a full-screen application].
It doesn't seem like much, but let's say I wanted to move all 6 of the gadgets on the left side of my screen to the right. In the old E17, I'd have to manually drag each one to their proper location, but now I can just tell the shelf to display on that side of the screen. - Ithaycu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2>drpcken:
>I've been looking for a good distro to play with on a usb memory stick. I tried knoppix, but I'm having a hard time >saving anything to the stick after changing configuration
>
>/linux n00b
If you are looking for a small distro to play with another good choice is slax.
The website is http://www.slax.org/ couple of different choices for use and the smallest is 53Mb
Cheers,
Ithaycu - crossmr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Neither one of those is working particularly well. Might have to bookmark it and check it out in two or three days.
- Zaggynl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2site has been dugg?
- timxpx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ISVDamocles
I did that using aptitude, and the drivers were installed but didn't work. Just because you say its easy, doesn't mean it is.
I also took the nvidia package from their website, ran it from the command line (sh [nvidia driver name].run) -- was then forced to look for and install an assload more stuff (gcc, kernel packages, etc etc) -- only to have the x service crash every time the computer rebooted, and me being stuck with a command line interface.
i sat down with a professor from my school who worships ubuntu does linux kernel programming, and he couldn't figure it out. i also found numerous message boards that had similar problems with ubuntu and quadro drivers.
granted it's a tiny demographic of people affected (people who run workstations with quadro cards, mine specifically a quadro nvs 280). but yeah, its a nonexistent problem in windows.
not that i don't like linux when it works... but i think the point of coffee cup's comment that got dugg down was that the learning curve with linux isn't practical, and that usability wise, it's just not there yet, as powerful as an operating system it may be. heck, the reason why i wanted to try it in the first place was so i could actually utilize my 64 bit processor on something that didn't bite as much as windows xp 64 bit edition. - wirelesshnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ ISVDamocles
Call me a sinner but I cant stand Ubuntu! I like SUSE but since the Novell thing that’s been going on I have taken a step back with it. If you add the other depositories to your Apt-Get file in Elive you can get pretty much every package you want simply and easily and since Elive is Debian biased most of them just work. More so with the new RC. If you enjoyed it before you should defiantly give the new RC a try.
I have don’t many things with Elive including an apache sever, file server, email server, Myth TV box (which was incredibly easy) Democracy Player/bit torrent, It just makes for an all around good machine. - UxPx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0you said Fugly. i dug you up. :)
- addicted68098, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The owner probably got windows hosting by mistake,
- johnnykwest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"It's like hearing a Canadian using some slang from 10 years ago."
Fo Schizzle. Don't mess with us hosers. Weez the shizzit.
Supertight is actually how most Americans fit into their jeans.
Word. - Jon855, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3bmartin:
He wasn't hating linux you fool. - ubuwalker31, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1zomg, thats more complicated that installing programs using apt-get or yum! #sarcasm
- kriton12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22 Things
@those debating with Jeriqo
He does have a point. A universal standard would be a good thing, maybe not in UI, but a standard document format, spreadsheet format, linux base format, and i believe there are projects out there right now building those standards. Think "Linux Standard Base" http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/LSB and the Open Document Format for Office Applications (OASIS). Think how nice it would be if everybody decided to put there files in the same place for linux applications. Of course the downside is that changes will be made slowly as with any bureaucratic-like system. One of linux's strengths is the ability for people with a different idea on how to do things to be able to make their own, which is one reason there are so many different distributions. So it will be interesting to see how human-individuality coexists with a universal standard.
Number 2, @ people debating with Coffeecup.
He too has a solid point in his original post, although not so eloquently put. If people want wide adoption of linux on the desktop then it has to just work period. If one person loads linux on their laptop and the wireless-nic doesn't work out of the box without user intervention then linux is not there yet. It doesn't matter if it is better than windows, for people to want to switch and learn something entirely new from what they have been doing the past 11 or so years it can't be "just better" it will have to be better by leaps and bounds. This has nothing to do with the technical merits of linux, it has to do with the stubbornness/laziness of people. If they are going to make an effort to switch, it has to be enticing enough for them to want to do it and when they do try it, it has to work 100% with virtually no effort.
Don't bother coming back with the excuse that these people probably couldn't install windows either. I'm almost certain they can't, but the point is they already have windows and they know how to use it. People will look for any excuse to slip back into old, remembered habits. The debate is not over which OS works better, the question is how to dethrone the sitting king. - duhblow7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1supertight?
I'm actually laughing out loud.
It's like hearing a Canadian using some slang from 10 years ago. - quaff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0lynucs.org needs a new owner, the guy has been stuck with the same bugs and lack of updates since 2004 lol
- timxpx, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6@prammy
i had so much trouble installing drivers for my nvidia quadro in ubuntu on my workstation that i am totally turned off to linux forever. [i intended for the machine to be my exclusive blender3d machine. now it's running windows.] so yeah, as much as every other driver on that machine worked flawlessly without a hitch, it was that one thing that ruined the entire experience for me. - CoffeeCup, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3haha wow. I expected a response but you Linux guys are touchy. To be fair I give a new version of Linux a shot about once every 6 months to a year and there is always a marked improvement. I usually install whatever Linux flavor on an old (3 year old) Compaq Presario laptop. There are a few things that never work on it (wireless card and touch pad) and usually a few new things that pop up every time I wipe the hard drive and start over. This is also the machine that I installed my Vista beta on and it worked without a hitch albeit a little bit slow. I am not a fanboy of anything but It would be nice to have my toy laptop actually work without having to be a programmer to figure it out.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0danm, every time a site is posted on digg and the site is hosted on a crappy website :) digg takes them down, funny ...
- jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Those jpegs are compressed as hell
fugly failure -
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