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- Brian48216, on 05/01/2008, -4/+182Looks like they're out to crush silverlight here and now.
- andafrouse, on 05/01/2008, -4/+179This is great news. I really hope they will publish even the latest flash specifications and that Gnash will become a fully-working alternative.
- knight666, on 05/01/2008, -9/+165Great!
Now port Adobe Flash CS3 Professional to Linux, Adobe.
You know you can do it. - Onestone, on 05/01/2008, -2/+138It's open formats and standards. Which is even more important than open-source.
- shrewduser, on 05/01/2008, -8/+90many big companies are slowly waking up to linux and its open source, open standards way, great news.
- insllvn, on 05/01/2008, -0/+72From what I can gather (I had the same question) they are opening .flv and .swf as standards, not open sourcing the player.
From the official press release:
- Removing restrictions on use of the SWF and FLV/F4V specifications
- Publishing the device porting layer APIs for Adobe Flash Player
- Publishing the Adobe Flash® Cast™ protocol and the AMF protocol for robust data services
- Removing licensing fees - making next major releases of Adobe Flash Player and Adobe AIR for devices free - aidave, on 05/01/2008, -3/+62This is good because it will destroy any chance of Silverlight getting a foothold.
- oduska, on 05/01/2008, -5/+62Maybe now we can get a better version of Flash on the Wii...
- tushyd, on 05/01/2008, -6/+63So is this open-source? Because it just says it's being opened up....
- thawkth, on 05/01/2008, -0/+50I think Adobe is actually smart enough to realize something.
They cannot guarantee success competing toe to toe with Microsoft. Their odds, given history, aren't very good.
What they can do is open the standards. Maintain the same exact products etc etc. Opening the standards would guarantee certain things - increased use of the format. Most media designers are used to the current adobe tools and will probably stay.
Good will from nerdom, who can finally watch frickin flash in full screen in linux without tearing and gittering, who don't even need to do much to install it for once.
Most windows users will continue to use their plugin.
They lose nothing reallly, provided they do this correctly. Hopefully this amounts to more than the open ATI specs which seem to have done very little.
Anybody see a reason not to do this? Look less evil, beat back microsoft, and lose nothing?
Open Standards FTW!!! - lava, on 05/01/2008, -4/+51If they ever do that I'll ***** ditch windows forever.
- nandasunu, on 05/01/2008, -1/+41it seems that adobe is really starting to get it, open standards are the future for sure.
- panickedthumb, on 05/01/2008, -0/+37So how much easier will it be for the gnash devs now? I'm not a developer by any means, but I know they were having a lot of issues with essentially reverse engineering the swf format.
- chris9902, on 05/01/2008, -1/+38Competition is such a good thing. Adobe would've NEVER done this without Microsoft making a move.
- kittynipples, on 05/01/2008, -0/+36I'd wager this has more to do with Microsoft than it does any newfound love for Linux. Without this new competition from Silverlight, I'm sure you'd still be looking at the status quo.
- insllvn, on 05/01/2008, -0/+33Sorry to comment hijack, but here is some more info:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressrel ...
The link is to a more detailed Adobe press release. - FutureGuy, on 05/01/2008, -1/+31That's why competition is good, its no coinsidence that Adobe decided to open up this almost decade old formate months after Silverlight was launched. By the way, .net, on which Silverlight is based, is an open format, if you need proof check out http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page or http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight ok now let me run for cover..
- mizatt, on 05/01/2008, -2/+27Do they still not have a 64-bit version of Flash?
- carlwalton, on 06/02/2008, -1/+23All I want is a version of flash that doesn't make the fan in my MacBook go flat out. How come I can stream HD avi videos to my TV and the fan stays at ~2000rpm, yet a simple YouTube video has it max out at 6200rpm? Poor coding?
- chris9902, on 05/01/2008, -3/+22Wouldn't surprise me if Adobe move all their tools over to the Eclipse IDE like they did with Flex.
- tuartboy, on 05/01/2008, -1/+19"...linked pretty nicely with virtually all future Windows UI development."
Exactly. Windows. This is all about opening the format for *anything* to use. - RoboDonut, on 05/01/2008, -1/+19I run Gentoo 64-bit, and I've always been annoyed at the lack of a 64-bit Flash plugin.
The only two options are to install a 32-bit browser or to use a buggy 32-bit Netscape plugin wrapper.
Neither choice is very good.
I really hope that this does lead to Gnash becoming a suitable alternative. - darkhero, on 05/01/2008, -5/+22About ***** time. Now get rid of the licensing restrictions on .flv format.
- nandasunu, on 05/01/2008, -2/+18dream on =)
- drzeus, on 05/01/2008, -0/+16Now they'll be able to use the SWF specification document that was previously available under restrictive license terms. Until today, Adobe said that no one could use that document to create a competing SWF player. Now, anyone can use it for any purpose.
- aidave, on 05/01/2008, -1/+15I'm sure your XBOX will support Silverlight. Enjoy.
- Theli, on 05/01/2008, -1/+14If they had open sourced Adobe Reader, would we use it?
Probably not. There are lots of smaller and faster PDF readers out there, and PDF read support is provided out-of-the-box in most distributions of Linux.
I suspect/hope we will see the same thing with flash. - insllvn, on 05/01/2008, -0/+12OK, sorry just double checked and that is all in the article's link as well. Feel free to ignore it.
- Goblinkiller, on 05/01/2008, -0/+12That's even better - because if the way to earn domination is through openness then the world has really gone in the right direction because domination through openness is far less dangerous than the alternative.
- championchap, on 05/01/2008, -0/+12Right behind you on that one!
As is, i'm looking to get a Mac because i'm pretty sick of dicking about with Windows and Linux just dosnt have support from the software i need.
I'm sure there are many of us in the "I'll go to linux when Adobe supports it!" boat. - MrTea, on 05/01/2008, -1/+13great, maybe now the firefox devs can fix firefox3b5 bug where flash crashes
- MrRad, on 05/01/2008, -0/+12Give it time, someone will develop an open source player now that actually surpasses Adobe's. Sure people have already been working on this by reverse engineering, but opening the standard is a clear message that developers are encouraged to create their own players. This will make things easier than reverse engineering.
- nandasunu, on 05/01/2008, -3/+14its called business. very few companies are truly open source, even fewer are financially successful. Guess what, ubuntu doesn't make any money.
- Atomic1fire, on 05/01/2008, -0/+11Just like if I remember right
XP users would have never seen IE7 without firefox's competition - aidave, on 05/01/2008, -0/+10Thats what I thought too. If so it's a brilliant move and well timed.
- RyeBrye, on 05/01/2008, -4/+14I would be surprised, and outraged. Eclipse sucks. IntelliJ just barely started putting in ActionScript support, and already it has hands-down better refactoring support than the crap in the Flex Builder plugin... (I timed it - Flex Builder took 30 seconds to refactor a basic class name - IntelliJ took 9 seconds...) Once IntelliJ 8 comes out with it's beefed up flex support, I wont have any reason to torture myself with that sub-par environment anymore
- skater9269, on 05/01/2008, -2/+12To watch porn.
- nandasunu, on 05/01/2008, -0/+9I think if more people actually paid for software, they would really see how amazing open source & linux are and how much you can do legitimately with high quality free software.
- KMartSheriff, on 05/01/2008, -2/+1164-bit = future
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -0/+9no
- AirRaven, on 05/01/2008, -1/+9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight
Microsoft's Web Application development platform- for all intents and purposes, a version of Flash that's easier for developers to migrate to full desktop applications. - ErikHK, on 05/01/2008, -3/+11Yes. Flash sucks, mostly. Try having Firefox up with several flash-heavy sites, you will regret it.
- goodposter, on 05/02/2008, -1/+9No, you're being dugg down because your comment is stupid. I have a tripple.
- championchap, on 05/01/2008, -1/+9Just thinking the same thing myself.
This sounds like the death of silverlight to me. Looks like Microsoft did something right! - inactive, on 08/26/2008, -1/+9Hopefully this will stop npviewer.bin from spiking up to 178% on Ubuntu.
- beatrixkiddo, on 05/01/2008, -0/+8If making things easier on developers is domination, then please, dominate me! This is great news. Anyone deep in the flash/flex development world knows how far things have come in the past few years. The open source community and the amount of shared code available is a productive programmers dream. Sure, they are dominating, but with useful products and very good support.
- computergod, on 05/01/2008, -0/+8It still has a lot of work to do in terms of reverse engineering, most of the information was gleaned from the already known format (sorensen 7?) that it was based upon.
I really look forward to one that I can at least fastforward on mplayer. - grobinson, on 05/01/2008, -1/+9This is not a big deal now, but it could be if Adobe really goes down open-source road. If they just put this out for PR then that would be lame.
- funkytaco, on 05/01/2008, -0/+7Hey look, I've got a loan. I've made money.
Ba-zing. - MioTheGreat, on 05/01/2008, -0/+7Do you even know what byte code is?
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