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- kingofpenguins, on 01/05/2008, -2/+28I don't care what other trolls may say. KDE4 (even 4.0) is definitely worth the wait. A big thankyou to all the developers out there who spent all their time making this such an amazing and innovative release.
- roguedragon, on 01/05/2008, -2/+16KDE 4 will be such a watershed in the Linux world that Gnome is going to have to learn how to treed water for a while. ;)
- Sawta, on 01/05/2008, -1/+14"KDE 4.0 isn't yet "better than good enough"; so why don't we just release more betas? When one perpetually releases alphas/betas a few things happen: people don't test it aggressively enough, third party developers don't get involved, core developers continue doing blue sky development rather than focusing on release qualities."
This really does answer most of my questions. I was presently surprised with such a satisfying answer. - navitatl, on 01/05/2008, -2/+14What an annoying use of the word "meme". It's a good word that can be used to refer to things that were previously abstract, but lets not overdo it.
- kleverness, on 01/05/2008, -1/+13Very well explained, I hope many of the people which commented on the "KDE4 Reminders Review" article (http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_0_Reviewer_Remind ... take their time to read this and reconsider some of the things said.
Kudos to the KDE developers! - kleverness, on 01/05/2008, -0/+11Kicker is no longer available in KDE 4, so I guess you're referring to the current plasma panel. To add a widget to the panel, just drag and drop it from the widget selector.By right clicking on the you can remove it. Currently, moving in-panel widgets is not implemented AFAIK. Except future work on plasma functionality with KDE 4.1, later this year.
- UnbanCaustiq, on 01/05/2008, -1/+9This is an excellent post for the average Digg user to read and thoroughly digest before posting their inevitable complaints about KDE 4.0.0. Understand time-based releases in the context of Open Source software.
Also, KDE 4.0 will eat your children (read: digg kiddies). - trogdoor, on 01/05/2008, -0/+7Good for you, do you want a cookie?
- nhnFreespirit, on 01/05/2008, -0/+7No!
This will not matter at all to the typical end user, as the typical end user will get KDE4 through their distro of choice. If the distro's do not feel that KDE 4.0.0 is ready for mass consumption by their users, they will simply not ship is as the default/recommended option. If you install KDE 4.0.0 on your own, then you have already ventured well into "advanced user" territory and should be able to take responsibility for the software you install. - leinir, on 01/05/2008, -1/+7A meme is a thought-virus, which is exactly what these ideas are. They are not so much myths as bandwagon cliches that people just jump on and go "ME TOO!" about. So: Meme :)
- UnbanCaustiq, on 01/05/2008, -1/+7Did you even Read The ***** Article? Refer to Aaron's section on Meme 3 or provide atleast a semblence of an argument against his points.
- Darkhacker, on 01/05/2008, -2/+7I agree with Mr. Seigo in that you can't hold off on a release forever because "finished" doesn't really exist with software as complex as a desktop environment and that you can't expect to have everything and the kitchen sink in a point-zero release, but I personally would keep it as a beta until they could solve some of the biggies like the constant crashes and maybe hack together a way to resize the panel since that is often complained about. Although I still would have done it differently, I'm glad to see Aaron stepping up and saying "here is why we did this" and offering some good reasons. I'm also glad to see that they are very honest about the initial point-zero release not being production quality.
- kleverness, on 01/05/2008, -0/+5I would rather wait till final version before assuming that there will be "constant crashes". I've used yesterday's SVN and I have found it rather stable and quite complete in many aspects.
- baalzebub, on 01/05/2008, -1/+6i look forward to KDE-4.x i am sure more features will be added as it progresses, (especially an "auto-hide" feature for that plasma-panel) i am also glad to hear KDE is not just abandoning KDE-3.5.x as i find it to be a nice desktop environment, having recently installed Crux-2.4 and made a nice desktop system with it using KDE-3.5.8, i always keep an empty disk partition for testing purposes so when some distros get released with KDE-4.x i will be giving those a spin (maybe Slackware-13?)...
- KAMiKAZOW, on 01/05/2008, -0/+4The typical end user? I've never seen a "typical" end user install another DE from the repository. "Typical" end users will use KDE 4 once mainstream distributions ship it as default desktop and that won't happen before KDE 4.1 maybe even 4.2, depending on the distro's release cycle.
- angrykeyboarder, on 01/05/2008, -1/+4I'd just like to know how to adjust/move/add the kicker panels.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 01/05/2008, -0/+3@Darkhacker:
The "Release Candidates" were poorly named. There happened lots of development and polishing between RC2 and final release (the code is final since yesterday -- the remaining days are for the packagers). The final 4.0 code is really good. Quite stable. - MWeather, on 01/05/2008, -0/+3Did YOU read the article?
- inactive, on 01/05/2008, -0/+3I want a cookie ☹
- kwilliam, on 01/05/2008, -0/+3Well, in most open source projects, a major version number change (e.g. 3 to 4) indicates backwards incompatibility. API changes to the KDE core libraries, etc. So while 3.99 might make sense to users, it is gramatically wrong to developers, who would assume 3.99 is backwards compatible with 3.5.8. If you're worried about people getting the wrong impression, digg articles like this one that try to break the hype.
- diggeridooo, on 01/05/2008, -4/+6They should simply rename 4.0 to 3.99 and 4.1 to 4.0. This would save the typical end user LOTS of headaches. If they really release 4.0 as planned it will be at least as crappy as Microsoft's .0 releases. That'd be a shame for Open Source and KDE, since people (especially newbies) will get a totally wrong impression.
- alpharaptor, on 01/05/2008, -0/+2a meme is any amount of cultural information that has the ability to be conveyed and compete with other pieces of information as well as the ability to be modified, adapt or fade away.
- kwilliam, on 01/05/2008, -0/+2Um, it is one row of tasks by default in 4.0. They haven't gotten around to letting you make it two rows yet.
- kwilliam, on 01/05/2008, -0/+2You can't at the moment. (That is what is meant by "rough edges" I suppose.) I'd just like to know when that stuff will be implemented.
- Darkhacker, on 01/05/2008, -0/+2Fair enough. I was referencing my comment based on my experience with RC2 and I'm sure there have been plenty of bug fixes since then.
- MWeather, on 01/06/2008, -0/+21. That's from the comments section, why the hell are you linking to a comment?
2. Meme is a scientific term. This list is a meme, the term political correctness is a meme. The whole concept of digging up or down is a meme.Read up on memetic theory and ethology come time, you might find it interesting. - lemur, on 01/06/2008, -0/+2You know, I have to disagree with an assertion the author makes about the "open source" development model. He said "if there are users, there are developers." In my opinion, that's not true... I look at it this way: "There are developers." In my experience, developers develop whatever they want. Sometimes users who are very interested BECOME developers themselves, but oftentimes you don't see developers catering specifically to "users." If this philosophy were true, then more open source developers would be developing open source applications for Windows simply because it has more users.
- angrykeyboarder, on 01/06/2008, -0/+1OK, so can I at least move the panel to top. I HATE menus on the bottom of my screen. They are counter-intuitive.
- djGentoo, on 01/06/2008, -0/+1That would be 4.0.1 if KDE continues their versioning scheme.
- angrykeyboarder, on 01/06/2008, -0/+1I'll wait for 4.1. Meanwhile I'll stick with my mixed use of KDE 3.x and GNOME
- angrykeyboarder, on 01/06/2008, -0/+1I want my tasks (minimized windows) at the TOP of my screen, thank you very much..
- inactive, on 01/05/2008, -1/+2The problem is that no matter what spin or reasons you give in todays world people expect a point release to be stable. %80 of users will try KDE4, probably go "hey this doesn't even do half the stuff kde3 does" and then ignore it for ages, or whose yet flame the hell out of it. There are many companies involved in the Linux world that will see a major 4.0 release as being unfinished and have a much worse view of opensource software as a result. ive seen quite a few programs advertised as complete without being so and many great bits of software that work great but have a number like 0.0.1.9998731412-svn16654
If they wanted a proper number they should have called it KDE 3.99.1 or used KDE4 - 0.1, they should have then set a number of goals for a KDE 4.0, such as much have approximately %80 of kde3's functionality, panel must be as customizable as kde3's one, must have applications X, Y and Z. This would give developers something to work towards and make sure public perception isn't damaged. KDE4 should never have been Kubuntu's primary desktop, it ould have been a lts with optional not supported kde4 optional.
This is not intended to flame kde4 development sine it seems to be doing great, especially the under the hood stuff, but the interface needs some work. The developers only say that its usable for 'some' people, yet its going to be on 5million kubuntu desktops next release. - muffinmanpoo, on 01/06/2008, -1/+1Your mum's a meme.
- tuphat, on 01/05/2008, -4/+3Buried for use of the word "meme". Can't stand that word. "Leftist pseudo-intellectualese or linguistic affectation, generally used in the pejorative, employed to designate a commonly held position, thought or expression as worthy of or susceptible to attack or denigration by superior leftist "critical thought" which the employer possesses in abundance."
www.theacru.org/blog/2007/04/a_dictionary_to_educate_the_politically_incorrect/ - democracysucks, on 01/05/2008, -5/+3KDE really shouldn't let Aaron play the PR role...he's really bad at it. Reading this post was almost as horrible as watching his digest videos.
"Between the rc's and the tagging of 4.0.0 the number of reports from testing skyrocketed. This is great, and shows that when I assert "people don't test when it's alpha or even beta" I'm absolutely correct." The problem, Aaron, is not that people don't test alphas and betas. It's that you essentially told people that, from a usability perspective, they were NOT ALPHAS OR BETAS. We all said, "Hey, WTF, why does KDE 4 suck so much?" You said, "We haven't even completed features yet, it's not supposed to be ready." THAT'S why we didn't report bugs; you told us the "bugs" were supposed to be there!
This is one of the problems with you issuing alphas that aren't alphas, betas that aren't betas, and release candidates that aren't release candidates. The bugs that people are reporting now (go ahead, check them out) have been around for a long time, but no one bothered reporting them, because in Aaron's constant talk about "vision," he always made sure to tell us that we shouldn't expect from 4.0 what we think we should be able to expect. So we didn't. - inactive, on 01/05/2008, -8/+1I know the most pervasive KDE meme: blue UI diarrhea.
- keyo, on 01/05/2008, -10/+2I agree, KDE needs to get rid of their ***** panel at the bottom, it's probably the #1 reason people call it ugly. By default it should be 1 row of tasks.
- keyo, on 01/05/2008, -11/+2Still should be released as it is: Beta.
- inactive, on 01/05/2008, -10/+1I'm not a linux fan, but when I want to read topics such as this I usually refer to slashdot.
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