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- Darkhacker, on 08/24/2008, -15/+248I expect no less than 200 comments saying...
"It looks too much like _____"
- Windows
- OS X
- KDE
Seriously people, who the ***** cares? You're going to find similarities no matter what. Unless the theme looks identical enough to fool you into thinking that it really is Windows, OS X, or KDE, then it's fine. I remember when KDE 4 was first released and people said it looked too much like Vista. When I asked them to be more specific, almost universally the answer was, "The taskbar is black." That's it? I suppose anything with a dock is going to look too much like OS X too?
Focus on what Ubuntu is doing, not what everyone else is doing. If Windows or OS X have some good ideas, then fine, let's use them. If not, let's come up with something better. Let's not get into this petty fight about "It's too much like" or "It's too different than." Focus on what makes for the best usability experience.
Make real criticisms of the UI. Is the text readable? Are the boundaries for buttons and other widgets visible? Does the color scheme match? Etc. - jonboykayaks, on 08/25/2008, -6/+83ACTUAL LINK TO PHOTOS
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/ ... - abbathdoom, on 08/24/2008, -4/+67Mark Shuttleworth should hire you on the spot. You have come out with the most sensible thing I've read about Ubuntu's theme in days.
The problem is it seems like the most vocal people in the community are the ones who...
A. insist everything has got to be the hideous brown and orange colours that everyone else hates because changing to anything else makes them less original and too much like OS X or Windows
B. insist that any proposed theme must not share any similarities with OS X or Windows even at the expense of looking fugly.
Get over yourselves. If individuality is all you care about at the expense of looking fugly then you may as well have bright clashing polkadots and a wallpaper with Lolcats, cause hell, that is the most original and individual theme ever. - YodaJones, on 08/24/2008, -6/+44Wow. That is very nice. Is it available now for 8.04?
- MavRevMatt, on 08/25/2008, -2/+38Link to the theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/ ...
ProActive mirrors to the screenshots:
http://imgup.mavrev.com/image/1949830989.jpg
http://imgup.mavrev.com/image/119210811.jpg - inactive, on 08/25/2008, -4/+38Mirror?
- ileftfark, on 08/25/2008, -0/+29Have you lost your sense of fanboyism? This is heresy!
Kidding, you're actually reasonable. - rhoman23, on 08/25/2008, -2/+24Nerdgasm. All over my keyboard.
- MavRevMatt, on 08/25/2008, -1/+22https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/ ...
- dirtman777, on 08/24/2008, -3/+23Anything is better than the default colors of Ubuntu. I ditched 6.06 just because I hated the way it looked. Later I learned on Feisty how to customize everything. Now I run either Ubuntu or Xubuntu on all my boxes.
- abbathdoom, on 08/24/2008, -1/+20The problem is the default theme is not clean and simple, it justs fugly, and it puts off a lot of people. Also, while I agree with what you say about changing it ourselves that does go totally against the ethos of what Ubuntu is. Ubuntu is supposed to be the distro you turn to when you want everything to work out of the box.
- ghall, on 08/25/2008, -8/+26Wow it looks just like an error page.
- IndigoMoss, on 08/25/2008, -2/+20Damn, that's an awesome theme. It looks 100x better than the default orange/poop color.
- addicted68098, on 08/25/2008, -0/+18you need the auroa engine, so download it here
www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk+Engine?content=56438
extract it (desktop is fine)... then go to that folder in terminal
$ ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-animation
$ make
$ sudo make install
After that (re-)install them like any regular (custom) theme!
I had to log out and in before the changes took affect
it looks funky in firefox...and you should change the colors... - AirRaven, on 08/25/2008, -3/+20Oh, sure.
If you're prepared to rewrite several thousand lines of Nautilus/Gnome Code, sure. Feel free. - jakereilly, on 08/25/2008, -5/+21Wow, that's the first linux theme I've seen that doesn't look like amateurish crap. Bravo to the creator. This is that linux should look like, or at least this quality.
- munikho, on 08/24/2008, -9/+25possible, sure?
- haochi, on 08/25/2008, -2/+18Mirror (pic of theme): http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8136/dustthemea ...
- shawnanigans, on 08/25/2008, -0/+15I'm going straight to the heart. Looks too much like the Xerox Alto.
- MavRevMatt, on 08/25/2008, -3/+18Everyone by now has seen the world famous mockups of what Ubuntu apparently should look like. The problem is that what is shown in those mockups is not yet possible with the current way gnome works.
I worry with everyone clambering for this mythical theme and with time running out before 8.10 ships, what will end up happening is Ubuntu will ship with the same old problematic brown and orange theme that is so hated by a lot of people.
There is a solution though...
The Dust theme
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/ ...
The Dust theme has gotten a lot of praises on Digg and is easily as sexy as anything I've personally seen for Linux (and I'm not usually a fan of dark themes), bust most promising of all... is actually possible with the current technology we have at our disposal.
It's time to be bold! Stop defaulting to the same brown and orange and make a big bold change. Embrace Dust.
Yes you will get a few idiots who will say it's too like Vista just because it's black, but ignore them people. The wider tech community will praise Ubuntu for finally ditching its dorky themes and becoming sophisticated and sexy. New users will be eager to try out this Ubuntu thing they have heard so much about. - dudeguy1234, on 08/25/2008, -1/+15I hate those figurative links to photos.
- solidcube, on 08/25/2008, -1/+15Is Shuttleworth colorblind?
The default Ubuntu theme is the worst thing EVER. - Onestone, on 08/24/2008, -1/+13It already has been implemented at least twice - once using Aurora and once using Murrine SVN.
- jbess, on 08/25/2008, -4/+16Generally speaking, a black-based theme is sorta ugh.
- aforsberg, on 08/24/2008, -4/+15I'd use it. It looks great.
Oh- and since when did interfaces become 'sexy'?
Also, where's the lower border of the Firefox window? - Shootfast, on 08/25/2008, -2/+13At least this one isn't just "Dark theme with AWN" like all the others.
- Gavagai80, on 08/25/2008, -3/+10Yeah, it's just "Dark theme" without AWN.
- DennisPwnsj00, on 08/25/2008, -1/+8wow, that took all of 200 hits...
- pckbeta, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6Basically can it be implemented without re-writing the underlying graphics engines responsible for creating the user interface.
Think of it as building a theme within the current rules (which this does) versus a theme that requires the rule to be re-written.
You're right that nothing is impossible, but that's open source for you. We work with what we're given and what we have the time to code. - mrsteveman1, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6That revolution has to start somewhere, and Brown is not it.
- estvir, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6Because the default theme is hideous and has been for some time and because a new theme has been promised for the past 1 or 2 releases and has consistently being pushed back.
That's part of the reason why. - Megatog615, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6It does not seem to install correctly for me.
- inactive, on 08/24/2008, -4/+10Could probably benefit from more than just a close button at the top right of the windows. Seems like the person that did the mock up didn't really stop to put in the shut down button, trash icon, desktop switcher, show desktop icon. Would probably want to keep those, but I'm assuming this is just to show the colour and shape of the theme... The firefox theme we can probably do without as well. Also think that it could maybe do with some small borders around the windows. Basic idea is good, but it needs to be expanded upon.
- svensko, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6So, how do you suggest the Linux programmers pay for these artist, designers, etc. etc.?
- werries, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6Yeah, most people do not like the default Human theme, it needs to be changed to be more sleek. Even though I might switch back to human on my install 'cause I like it, it shouldn't be the default.
- inactive, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6Whenever anyone ever makes a theme that looks good, OS X fans bitch for no reason - Are they aware that all themes use colors, have buttons, and most OS's have desktop backgrounds?
What's next, "They totally stole the idea of putting the title bar at the top of the window from OS X"
So uhm, Who cares who did what first? In that sense, OS X is a total Unix rip off with graphics and some applications thrown atop. - mysticalone, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6Someone translate the comments on the page ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/ ... ). For some reason every word seems to be waaahh OS X waaaahhh
- gquaglia, on 08/25/2008, -3/+9I like it.
- benplaut, on 08/25/2008, -0/+6And with that said, I agree with orange. Even though I'd never use orange for my own system, it's unique and memorable--that's what I find neat in . I'd even call it fresh, maybe a bit tangy.
Maybe something different would be better. Maroon? - myhandleondigg, on 08/25/2008, -1/+7Nope, and never will if you have to register to see the images :(
- Jforsyth89, on 08/25/2008, -0/+5It's interesting what you are saying, but I'm not really sure what you mean. Could you give some specific examples of things in OSX that provide this usability which other themes lack?
- kd420, on 08/24/2008, -6/+11I don't get why there is so much coverage of what the next release will look like. I'm using Hardy now and I've changed themes multiple times, for various amounts of time, never using the default Human once. There are so many themes out there, and there will continue to be people saying that it looks to similar or too different from another OS. Just keep it clean and simple for first time users and let any big customizations be left to the individual user.
- solidus636, on 08/25/2008, -0/+5@sfacets.
If you work a little, you can make Ubuntu look as good as OS X and Vista...maybe even better. - crazybrit, on 08/25/2008, -0/+4They mean possible/impossible with the current theming system. Anything's possible, but they probably aren't going to rewrite the whole system so it looks a little shinier.
- keito, on 08/25/2008, -0/+4spot on.
what I'd really like to see is not just a great default theme, but also some great alternatives available by default (perhaps even themes from prior versions) that way if you dislike the new theme it doesn't have to keep you from enjoying ubuntu as you can change it back easily. - hungryduck, on 08/25/2008, -1/+5It's better than the current theme. I don't think we'll ever see the day they will actually change it though.
- terrorpin, on 08/25/2008, -0/+4Once installed it has minimise, maximise/restore and close.
- championchap, on 08/25/2008, -0/+4Yup, but.. I would change the firefox icons from the OS X ones.
They are pretty out of place. - CATSCEO2, on 08/25/2008, -1/+5No its not. The other one that made the front page a month or so back was had the Dock and the Vista Sidebar. Thank god this one is original.
- estvir, on 08/25/2008, -4/+8Deal with it. Those sampe people plus all the pro-Linux lemmings reguritated comments like "OMG VISTA LOOKS LIKE MACOS" when it doesn't, really.
Just because it's glorious open source doesn't mean you're going to exempt from idiots but you'll be lucky because most of those idiots also tend to hop on the FOSS ship, without knowing why, of course other than "LOL NOT M$M$" -
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