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- chugger1992, on 12/23/2007, -4/+91I thought GIMP _was_ the alternative.
- niallabrown, on 12/23/2007, -4/+68I think Krita has more potential to be a gimp alternative.
- Patogrande, on 12/23/2007, -3/+44Someone needs to fix Gimp's UI, and I'll be happy
- sq377, on 12/23/2007, -0/+34Some of the new concepts for gimp's ui are gorgeous though.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_wmx3OgdATU0/Ru0CWfvRJEI/AA ...
Check out their blog : http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/ - Schneckehaus, on 12/23/2007, -1/+33I just wish Adobe would sell Linux ports of their software...
Gimp can't compare to Photoshop for productivity, but Windows really slows down my productivity, and dual-booting takes time to switch between OS's.
If I could get some better editing/design software on my *NIX OS's I would gladly ditch Windows for good.
In a perfect world I would have Ubuntu with Adobe CS3. I could get so much done, and so much faster. - keyo, on 12/23/2007, -10/+40Looks quite ugly to me. GIMP is all I need, the interface just agonizes me though. I'd be nice to see krita come along too.
- macaholic, on 12/23/2007, -2/+31Gimp is extremely powerful, if only we could get that promised ui update... hint hint...
- chaloobe360, on 12/23/2007, -14/+43And why exactly do we need to have a GIMP alternative?
- SuperSloth, on 12/23/2007, -4/+29Because GIMP's UI sucks donkey balls, and the GIMP team has been too slow fixing it.
- inactive, on 12/23/2007, -2/+26Paint.NET is somewhere between MSPaint and Photoshop/Gimp , it's good for people like me who do not have much expertise to use Photoshop or enough time to learn it, but at the same time need something more than MSPaint.
Paint.NET at its current state does not compete with Photoshop or Gimp and it was never intended to do so. - reddevil3, on 12/23/2007, -9/+32GIMP is better than Paint.NET imo. Granted I haven't used Paint.NET that much but it just doesn't feel as if it has that many features.
Just fix that GIMP UI please. - zwaldowski, on 12/23/2007, -1/+17But then again, we don't all have $600+ dollars laying around. Y'know, for fun stuff like Photoshop.
- rockets, on 12/23/2007, -23/+39MONO is Microsoft's trojan in Linux. In a few years they are goign to claim all sorts of patents violations and try to kill it. Don't use any MONO-based product.
- bootle, on 12/23/2007, -21/+37Do not support mono. It is a hook aimed at the mouth of the open source community. At the end of that hook is a line leading to a fishing pole. MICROSOFT's fishing pole...
- noahhoward, on 12/23/2007, -4/+19Exactly, so now we have an open source alternative to an open source alternative that never quite hit the level of the original.
- phoomp, on 12/23/2007, -0/+15That was my thinking. All GIMP needs is a decent front end and I'll never look at Photoshop again.
- smek2, on 12/23/2007, -5/+16An inofficial mono port of Paint.NET is the alternative to GIMP? Yeah, right.
- xaogypsie, on 12/23/2007, -1/+12Honestly, krita has potential to go farther than just a gimp alternative. 16bit support, clean interface, etc - I have used it for a few things on a professional level more successfully than the gimp. I respect gimp, but without 16bit support, exr, hdr, etc, its use is fairly limited.
- randeepjalli0, on 12/23/2007, -8/+18For anyone who has any questions about developing projects using mono and whether or not it is a Trojan horse, PLEASE read the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_%28software%29) specifically the part about licensing, "Mono’s implementation of those components of the .NET stack not submitted to the ECMA for standardization has been the source of patent violation concerns for much of the life of the project. In particular, discussion has taken place about whether Microsoft could destroy the Mono project through patent suits."
"On November 2, 2006, Microsoft and Novell announced a joint agreement whereby Microsoft agreed to not sue Novell’s customers for patent infringement.[9] According to Mono project leader Miguel de Icaza,[10] this agreement extends to Mono but only for Novell developers and customers. It was criticized by the free software community because it violates the principles of giving equal rights to all users of a particular program (see Novell and their Patent Agreement with Microsoft)."
Basically, part of the Microsoft/Novell deal concerned Mono and the upshot is that Microsoft ONLY guaranteed that they would not sue customers of NOVELL, not LINUX, NOT OPEN SOURCE, NOVELL ONLY!!!!. NO OTHER DISTRIBUTIONS ARE COVERED, IF YOU DON'T USE NOVELL AND YOU USE MONO BASED SOFTWARE YOU ARE VULNERABLE TO MS PATENT CLAIMS.
It is still early and nothing really important that can not be rewritten uses it, I recommend people blacklist the module becuase it is a MAJOR source of concern. - fluoro, on 12/23/2007, -0/+8goatrandy: So why not do some mockups and contribute some ideas to GIMP's UI team rather than sitting around bashing it on digg. I mean, that's the point of it being open source right?
- DonCarcharo, on 12/23/2007, -7/+15It's a shame OSS is plagued by such bad names and shoddy interfaces.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 12/23/2007, -0/+7Gimp and Krita have different scopes, even though their functionality overlaps to a certain degree. Krita aims to become a full blown painting application (painting as in Corel Painter, not MS Paint) with image editing capabilities as "side effect". Gimp's primary goal is to be an image editing app.
- fluoro, on 12/23/2007, -1/+8I think that applies to copyright law, not to patent law. You're not required to do anything in particular with a patent. You can hold a patent and allow it to be used/implemented royalty-free.
Either way, it's totally ***** to be paranoid about Mono like this. rockets and the idiots digging him up need to do a little research before they spread FUD. See what Microsoft's Jim Miller has publicly said: http://web.archive.org/web/20030424174805/http://m ... - anjinash, on 12/23/2007, -0/+7I'm a hardcore Photoshop fan and have not yet seen any compelling reasons to switch to anything else... BUT both GIMP and Paint.Net have shown an enormous amount of potential and are far from what I would consider "garbage". For free and opensource projects, they are amazing and come in handy when working on older hardware. For Paint.Net, there's something to be said for a lightweight but powerful image editor to open when you need to do a few quick crops and resizing instead of loading the mammoth that is Photoshop.
- sq377, on 12/23/2007, -0/+7That's quite harsh, I used to do alot of graphic design with photoshop, and switched to gimp. I hated it for a while but after I got used to it's interface I started to like it. I stopped using photoshop entirely, and now all I use is gimp. I still prefer that they would make it a choice for the user to make the windows floating or docked.
- nixfu, on 12/23/2007, -2/+9What a better authority on all things Microsoft....we all know there is a connection there.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 12/23/2007, -1/+8Paint.net doesn't support layer effects, and Gimp only supports some of the effects that Photoshop does.
Also no vector support. At all.
Even the sunk ship that was Paintshop Pro is generations ahead of this.
I like the direction this is headed, but it's way too early for them to start bragging. - inactive, on 12/23/2007, -1/+8The good thing about GIMP is that it's free, so getting an alternative that you have to pay for isn't really an alternative.
- DarkDx, on 12/23/2007, -0/+6omfg I want that softglow plugin
- JT114881, on 12/23/2007, -0/+6The easy is angry?
- Rammsteined, on 12/23/2007, -1/+7Don't they loose out for not pushing the issue from the start? If I remember correctly, patents become void if the patent holder doesn't protect their patent.
Does anyone know? - ahvi, on 12/23/2007, -0/+6Wow thank you for that link. That interface design is absolutely stunning. I hope they go with something like that.. and soon.
- stalefries, on 12/23/2007, -6/+12This coming from a guy called "baalzebub"
- samdu, on 12/23/2007, -3/+9But The GIMP is better than Paint.net. Why would I want an "almost" feature complete clone of Paint.net if I can have The GIMP?
- fluoro, on 12/23/2007, -0/+6Same here. I'm not a hardcore photo editing person, though. People tell me about some cool features that Photoshop has that GIMP doesn't have, but so far they haven't been things that are critical to me. GIMP is extremely useful for amateur photo editors like myself, but the UI is not really intuitive and doesn't work well for those of us who don't invest a huge amount of effort to understand it.
- kleverness, on 12/23/2007, -1/+7Yes, Krita 2 looks very promising :)
- bonlebon, on 12/23/2007, -4/+10Anything related to paint.net has no use at all. Gimp has way better documentation, support and awesome features.
- tyrione, on 12/23/2007, -0/+5Without a doubt KRITA is the FREE ALTERNATIVE to GIMP.
However, GEGL is to be required in the upcoming Dev Trunk of GIMP:
http://www.gegl.org/
http://developer.gimp.org/changelog.html
2007-12-20 Sven Neumann
* INSTALL
* configure.in: require GEGL >= 0.0.14.
* app/Makefile.am
* app/app.c: initialize the GEGL library.
For those who have been waiting for GEGL to mature, it looks as if Sven is ready to put it into Trunk Builds.
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500924
Comment #3 from Kevin Cozens (reporter, GEGL developer, points: 14)
2007-12-20 18:09 UTC [reply]
GIMP has added GEGL as a dependency. It is now more important to find and fix
any remaining memory leaks in GEGL. Raising priority to High.
This is a huge step for GIMP and will silence quite a large chunk of deterrents made towards GIMP and why it isn't ready for Pre-press, etc. - fluoro, on 12/23/2007, -2/+7More FUD spreading. Again, Microsoft has agreed that its patents pertaining to CLI and C# language are usable royalty-free. http://web.archive.org/web/20030424174805/http://m ...
- trogdoor, on 12/23/2007, -0/+5That's trademarks, not patents ( it's the reason why thinks are now "Manipulated using Adobe™ Photoshop™ Software" ).
- b33b3s, on 12/23/2007, -0/+5I was hoping that the GIMP alternative would be photoshop
- charlietuna, on 12/23/2007, -0/+5Yep, the gimp interface remains a mystery to me as well.
- jay667, on 12/23/2007, -1/+6Or get VirtualBox.org for FREE instead of VmWare
- KAMiKAZOW, on 12/23/2007, -0/+5Have a look at Pixel's development history. While it costs 30 bucks, its development progresses with the speed of a turtle with a broken leg.
Pixel is at version 1.0RC3 on QNX since 2005, on Windows it's currently at 1.0 Beta 7, and if you look at http://bebits.com/appver/2168 you'll see that this program (it dropped the "32" from the name over time) was at version 0.99.8 in *2001*!!
Despite the fact that this app costs money, you'll get no guaranty that your platform will be supported in the future. Sometimes you wait two years for a small bugfix release. - platypibri, on 12/23/2007, -1/+5I gave up on the GIMP a long time ago. Did it ever achieve CMYK support? That and the ability to run 3rd party PS filters would make me take another look.
- ratsg, on 12/23/2007, -0/+4No, there was a Unix version of Photoshop. The 3.x versions were the last released. I believe that Sun Solaris and SGI Irix were the supported operating system.
- inactive, on 12/23/2007, -1/+5I find gimp very good, and robust. I have done work on gimp that Graphic Designers thought I used Photoshop doing it. If it was wimpy, then the UI would be easy.
- Shananra, on 12/23/2007, -0/+4I haven't been able to get it to run, but I understand that some people have managed to get CS2 working. It keeps crashing on me, though.
- Jordan117, on 12/23/2007, -2/+6I can't stand the GIMP; it's a resource hog and the multi-window interface is painful to use.
Paint.NET is pretty awesome, though. I just wish it had a blur/smudge paintbrush tool. - ThyLabyrinth, on 12/23/2007, -0/+4Honest question: isn't it possible to use PS with Wine or some other emulation layer under Linux?
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