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- Slashriffs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I think i'll be buying a macbook just in case.
- dmurray14, on 10/12/2007, -13/+18Wow, this is stupid. Have you all tried Vista? I thought I was going to hate it, but I found it to be very good.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13Here's one to warm up the bath.
Who do You Trust with Your Computing?
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| Helios was speaking out against trusted computing (TC) and Digital
| Rights Management (DRM) that is humming softly at the hardware and
| software level inside YOUR computer right now. That's right! Chances
| are, it's already made it on a chip on your and my motherboards...but
| it's there. Soon, if what can happen does happen...we'll all be so
| very unhappy at being told how we can and can't operate our PCs.
|
| Some of you may be asking, "what the heck are you talking about?
| They can't tell me how I can use my computer inside my own home".
| Unfortunately, that statement is false. DRM chips are already on a
| majority of motherboards and even built into some processors (viiv
| anyone?). All it takes is a flip of the switch and you'll do what
| Microsoft or any other company that wants to manage your rights
| for you tells you to do whether you like it or not. That is, of
| course, unless you use Linux :) Linux has always been about
| choice...we choose to compute in ways WE want to...not ways
| that are defined for us.
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http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/176-Who-do-You-Trust-with-Your-Computing.html - j3di3, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9who gives a ***** god i hate this linux nuthuggers
everyone has a right to use what he what he wants - ViceVirtue, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7personally TC would be a boon for linux.... a HUGE boon..
emulators, homebrew, everything... would be linux only... thats why it wont happen... - dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I partially agree and disagree with what's being said in the article.
While I do enjoy truly owning my computer by running mostly free software and also feel that Windows and OS X are too restrictive, I find it ironic that the FSF talks about giving users choices.
Given their agenda, they would take away all choice from you as well, just like Microsoft does. Look at the OS they're pedaling, GNewSense... it restricts you by not allowing (or at least not giving you) non free software out of the box. That means no mp3's, no DVD playback, no flash, no proprietary video codecs, no 3d acceleration with non-Intel video cards - no thank you.
Real freedom is the freedom to truly own your computer and decide which non-free solutions you want to implement.
Back to the topic at hand, the FSF is smoking crack if they think this will have any effect on vista adoption. For that matter, they've always been smoking freedom crack when it comes to matters like this, and people usually don't take advice from junkies. - rotten777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"everyone has a right to use what he what he wants"
now that's pretty funny when compared to what the story is about.
note: i'm not a fanboy for anyone. vista may be good i don't know. i use ubuntu and os x. :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Poll: Do you like Vista?
http://www.pollburner.com/takePoll.php?id=0a2dbe374572 - symbha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is not about an easy to use problem...
I'm sure there is a lot to like on the surface of Vista. On The Surface.
This problem is about making it impossible to for you, the consumer, to exercise your fair use rights, when it comes to digital media. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well. They're planning a version of Longhorn Server that doesn't even come with explorer......So who knows where that may lead?
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Have you ever heard of litestep?
Blackbox for windows?
These are all alternative window managers for windows.
It would be a TERRIBLE thing if windows just disappeared, not only do vendors rely on it's faults to do business, but microsoft moves all computer related industries to innovate.
With every new release, manufacturers make better hardware.
Better games are made, and people upgrade hardware to play them.
If linux were to dominate, people would just sit around on ***** old machines not buying *****, never upgrading and never innovating.
Then someone would be forced to make a version of linux that runs EXACTLY like windows, and the hardcore weirdos would bitch and moan, because they expect EVERYONE to be as proficient with unix as they are, calling it dumbed down.
Windows is important, even for the linux crowd, ir gives them something to bitch about, instead of improving on their madhouse of an OS. - Nebbie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I use both Windows and Linux, and although I would prefer if Windows disappeared and we all used Linux, Vista is still a step in the right direction from XP (as long as everything works properly, I've only tried the beta and there was obvious bugs that still needed working out, but it was a beta so that was expected).
I am hoping that with the next "Windows" (I heard a rumour that MS is not calling their next major revision Windows, so maybe my hopes will come true) that MS will go with a more modular approach like Linux, with a main Windows kernel with only very basic OS functions, but the interface and programs can all be removed or replaced by alternatives.
If the Linux OS (minus the linux kernel) could be moved over to a Windows kernel with the ability to run windows programs (mostly games and a few windows programs without suitable open source replacements) I think that would put MS in a very good position, pleasing most Linux supporters. I don't want Linux to die, but unless Linux becomes the dominant platform in the next 5 years, I'd rather have Linux ported over to a minimal Windows kernel.
I would pay good money to have the ability to run Gnome and KDE with all the fancy XGL-type goodness on a Windows kernel with DirectX and Windows drivers. The one thing I hate most about Windows is the GUI (with the file structure a close second), and if these things could be replaced with GPLed alternatives with complete access to all Windows functions (no emulation layer) I'd be an MS supporter again.
I am totally accepting of DRM and other anti-pirating controls as long as we are given reasonable freedoms. I like using Steam for games. I like buying a license for a game and being given the ability to access that game when I want to. I can delete it and have no trace of it on my computer or in my home, but I still have a license for it and can still access it again another time if I want to. I would also like to be able to do the same thing with TV shows and movies. I buy the license for the show, and can access whenever I want to, without having to put a certain disc in a certain type of player. Require me to log in to an internet service like Steam, I'm fine with that, and let me do it whenever and wherever I am, no matter what kind of (compatible) device I am using. And on that note, do make it easy for a company to incorporate this access into a device. As long as I have access to what I have paid for (which is a license to the product) then I am happy. I am not happy when I buy a physical product like a DVD, but then told I do not have full 100% access to this DVD.
Yeah... that post was too long. I could keep on going but I'm gonna get dugg down anyways for being way too long :) - f00kies, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Hah, these guys are hardcore.
"As with our campaign against Digital Restrictions Management, we aim to demonstrate that technologists can be social activists, because we know the harm that Vista will cause"
Yea, Vista is going to kill people, alright. It'll also start a new war in Iran, make cancer spread, and of course speed up global warming.
I didn't see a single fact on the website to support that harsh remark.
And no, I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, I'm just the guy who uses the software (just like everybody else) but doesn't criticize it because I still use the software (just like everybody else). - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Here's a lesson for the free software community - tout something other than your software is free. Make it better. Hell, charge for it! The world is full of numerous examples of things that people suddenly think have "value" simply by putting a price on it - see bottled water as an example.
- bbrosemer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yeah but according to Ballmer you should only run Windows on "Real PC's" whatever that may be...
- Darcy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3If the FOSS community really do believe in freedom like they are always saying, then I hope they respect the choice a lot of people make to pay for some of their software. It seems to me that the FSF's idea of freedom of choice doesn't include the freedom to choose Microsoft products or the freedom to buy media content that uses DRM. I know they believe that every computer user that does not use open source software are dumb ignorant creatures that are incapable of making informed decisions of their own, but I really don't think that spending so much time and effort attacking Microsoft is the best way to convince normal users to switch to FOSS. Maybe if they started behaving like the good guys they claim to be, and putting more of their energy into making open source software better than the competition , who knows, one day their dream of destroying the evil empire could just come true. If that ever happen maybe the FOSS community will be seen as the evil doers.
- JrGhoull, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3hahaha going a little too far ant it? i understand vista ant perfect but then again what is?
- swhitt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4This is exactly the ***** that makes everyone hate them.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2And the makers of Coke don't want you to drink Pepsi.
Who gives a flying *****? - anitab83, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I liked it to a degree, although I was rather upset it didn't run my small company's SQL Server Express databases (which we use for all of our applications).
The problem with the Stop Vista campaign is that Linux isn't ready to take on Mac or Microsoft on the desktop. For most non-techie users, Linux isn't as accessible, even for some of the easier to use versions like Ubuntu. In another 5 years, maybe Linux proponents would be able to mount a viable campaign against Microsoft's next desktop O/S, but to make this happen a lot of usability experts and other non-techies will need to start making contributions to the Linux desktop experience. - rotten777, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3anitab:
it doesn't matter how easy to use, there are always going to be people that are so dumb they won't be able to use anything more than a light switch. work in the mac/pc repair business right now and you'll see how people never educate themselves and just try to run with it. - Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"my day-to-day computing is no different from before, aside from some new interface stuff."
Was there really a point in "upgrading" then? Though it's not really an upgrade if it's the same "aside from some new interface stuff"... - Raian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3who needs facts when you have emotional appeal!
- Nebbie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@whiteguysamurai
I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
I'm not talking about just changing the shell in windows, I want to do more then that. I want the option of completely replacing programs in windows, not just hiding them. I want a filesystem that can be interpreted in different ways with different views. I want an interface that lets me do what I want without anything getting in the way.
Gnome on Linux is dumbed down. It is much simpler to use then Windows. I'm not talking about the complexity of using the system, I'm talking about ease of use. Simple things, like when I open the Programs menu in Windows, why aren't programs categorized nicely? Why isn't Photoshop in a "Graphics" menu along with my other Graphics programs? I can organize it all myself, but for something simple like that the OS should be able to handle it. I am talking about dumbing down the interface. If done well, it increases productivity and you can spend more time actually doing something on your computer. This is just 1 example.
The complex parts of Linux are mostly due to the way the kernel works, and if it doesn't get better then I'd be fine with having the Windows kernel manage my drivers and whatnot. But the fact remains that it doesn't matter if Windows or Linux is the dominant OS, innovation will still happen. Games will be made. New hardware will be needed. If every game that comes out for Windows comes out for Linux as well you can bet there will be just as much demand from Linux users for newer and faster hardware.
I just want the ability to use Windows the same way I use Linux. I don't want others to be forced into that position if they don't want it, I would just like the choice.
Of course, your entire comment might have just been sarcasm... "not only do vendors rely on it's faults to do business"... yep, faults keep the computer industry going! - TheFinestShadow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Buried as duplicate. Check the front page next time.
- sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1As a Mac user and Windows user, I have nothing against Vista. Rather, I refuse to adopt TC and DRM technologies as much as I am able, regardless if that is on a Mac or a PC.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Yey! Even more restrictive! I mean, OSX only runs on Apple Hardware. That's like 10x worse than what Microsoft does.
- repruhsent, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I'm assuming you are referring to Linux. While I personally don't like Linux, it's far from terrible - it performs quite nicely in the server room. The problem is that the FSF is so busy arguing politics and "ethics" that they lose sight of what's really important - producing good software.
- whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1BTRON?
- andrewmp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4". it restricts you by not allowing (or at least not giving you) non free software out of the box."
That's not a restriction. You can still install those features.
"Real freedom is the freedom to truly own your computer and decide which non-free solutions you want to implement."
That's what GNewSense does.
"For that matter, they've always been smoking freedom crack when it comes to matters like this, and people usually don't take advice from junkies."
Yeah it's a real shame they are fighting for free software. - repruhsent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I agree with you 1000%. Freedom means being able to make choices, even if some of those choices are "bad." The FSF just pushes "freedom" as a platform for getting everyone to think like they do, run their machines like they do, and do what they would like. The fun part is that they don't tend to understand that their tactics aren't working.
- lunarworks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Was there really a point in "upgrading" then? Though it's not really an upgrade if it's the same "aside from some new interface stuff"..."
Well, there is a whole bunch of rebuilt underlying technology that you don't really SEE. The network stack, graphics processing, audio stuff. Things that will come to a benefit as more software is designed specifically for Vista. One thing you might notices is that the new graphics subsystem unloads the drawing of all windows to the GPU, so moving windows about doesn't lag your CPU.
Also, it was free. - lunarworks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I installed Vista RTM last week, and my day-to-day computing is no different from before, aside from some new interface stuff. The only DRM I encountered is activation (for which I had a valid key) and music I've purchased in iTunes.
I'm no Microsoft fanboy either. I hated them for years, but recently learned to get along with them. (I still think Macs are better...)
Honestly, this whole "Vista has DRM!" rallying cry is not so much different from "Saddam has WMDs!". It's undeniable that both have historically been up to no good, and are generally belligerent, but it's just a load of FUD. - Raian, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3..and people think Apple zealots are bad..... these guys need to grow up, and worry about something that actually matters rather than dish out some operating-system quasi-fascism.
- lament, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1they lost me at "Member Number 1337"
good lord. - herrshuster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Only when the FSM backs it willI go with it
RAmen. - whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1They have no points.
And should focus on making things better than putting programmers out of work. - david76, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Who are these wackos?
"With your help, we will: Organize supporters into effective actions protesting Microsoft's daylight theft of our freedoms"
Daylight theft of our freedoms? Wow, with all the real problems in the world, they choose to protest software? - mfahmed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1site is down....thats funny!
- bbrosemer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I think I already, got one...
- aahpandasrun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Way too much text! How about primary points on why they don't like Vista?
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -14/+12Wow, way to be jackasses. The software they push is so terrible that instead of trying to get people to use it, for free, of it's own merits, they have to attack the competition. Pathetic.
- addrake, on 10/12/2007, -8/+57of7, While I don't know whether or not their software sucks, your sentiments are shared by me.
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -7/+3um, dupe?
http://digg.com/software/BadVista_org_FSF_launches_campaign_against_Microsoft_Vista
apparently that one got buried. - grazny, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Whats up with the Windows bashing? ***** Windows is the most used OS in the world. People would not change overnight to Linux just because some lame ass foundation tells them to.. Windows is here and will be here for a long time to come (most software is made for Windows you know..). The only OS that could cause trouble to Windows supremacy is OS X from Apple. You all know that Apple is gaining popularity. I do believe that free software is not the way to go. So if you're looking for a Windows alternative try Apple and not Linux.. ;-)
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