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- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -10/+72Cant read, too busy masturbating XD
- bryanedds, on 07/19/2008, -5/+53Reading these comments, it's both funny and sad how far digg.com has devolved...
- netneutrality, on 07/19/2008, -1/+40Eh.... didn't you even read it?
"...It's what I call "mental masturbation", when you engage is some pointless intellectual exercise that has no possible meaning."
Yup, third story in a row about Torvalds where he mentions masturbation. What a great guy! :D - frase, on 07/18/2008, -40/+76Linux is a kernel, not an OS.
- Zounas, on 07/19/2008, -1/+34"Unlike many open source legends, he likes to maintain a low profile and generally refuses to comment on competing software products."
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8
If you have an hour to watch this video, you'll hear him calling CVS and SVN users stupid and ugly and bashes Google people a bit. Also some other hilarity ensues. I have no experience nor interest in this subject but interestingly enough I enjoyed watching it. - iofthestorm, on 07/19/2008, -2/+34Wow, an actual technical article on digg? That's not a list, is quite long, on one page, and is interesting to boot? Dugg! I'm almost surprised that he isn't one of those people who prefers compiling everything on his own, but then I guess it would probably get tedious after spending so much time supervising and writing the kernel. Despite his random comments (and I agree with the wanking walruses sentiment, as long as I can include myself in the slashdot/reddit crowd and not digg ;-)) he seems to make a lot of sense. Also, wtf is up with the jumping comment box? The bottom edge is bouncing up and down... o_O
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -12/+38I really like Torvalds for what he's done, and what he continues to do, but I respect Stallman and his philisophies way more.
- eldridgea, on 07/19/2008, -3/+28It's both.
GNU/Linux is an OS running the Linus's Linux kernel and RMS's GNUutils. - twiztidsinz, on 07/19/2008, -10/+28Do not feed the troll!
I'm looking at you Mr Masturbating Monkey, Wanking Walrus Torvalds. - JernejL, on 07/19/2008, -2/+15Linux: DADDY DADDY THE BSD KERNEL GUYS ARE MAKING FUN OF ME AGAIN!
- ronyu02, on 07/19/2008, -0/+12I think "the most powerful way to encourage innovation" refers to "competition", not "patents", in that sentence.
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -5/+17stfu you wanking walrus
- bryanedds, on 07/19/2008, -2/+13Indeed.
- necromancer, on 07/19/2008, -2/+13I heard Stallman speak at my school recently... that guy is a bit of a nutjob. A nutjob who has a deep hatred for Torvald for stealing his thunder.
- arjie, on 07/19/2008, -0/+11Ah ha, the misinformation is strong with this one. Read-write NTFS has been available for a year now. 3D Acceleration is not as good as on Windows admittedly, but it's getting rapidly better, and there are a few games. Some, like WoW, actually work better on Linux sometimes through Wine.
Then there's also the bit that Mr. Torvalds doesn't want you to switch. That's not his agenda at all. So you're basically talking in the wrong direction. - GogglesPaisan, on 07/19/2008, -2/+11It's even more amazing that Linus was finally able to give up that blanket...
- cabazorro, on 07/19/2008, -0/+9"It's what I call "mental masturbation", when you engage is some pointless intellectual exercise that has no possible meaning." L.Torvalds
Ah! Mental masturbation. I need to remember that for my next status meeting. - capdos, on 07/19/2008, -0/+8'Do you think software patents are a good idea?'
Linus:
'Heh - definitely not. They're a disaster. The whole point (and the original idea) behind patents in the US legal sense was to encourage innovation. If you actually look at the state of patents in the US today, they do no such thing. Certainly not in software, and very arguably not in many other areas either.
Quite the reverse - patents are very much used to stop competition, which is undeniably the most powerful way to encourage innovation. Anybody who argues for patents is basically arguing against open markets and competition, but they never put it in those terms.
So the very original basis for the patents is certainly not being fulfilled today, which should already tell you something. And that's probably true in pretty much any area.
But the reason patents are especially bad for software is that software isn't some single invention where you can point to a single new idea. Not at all. All relevant software is a hugely complex set of very detailed rules, and there are millions of small and mostly trivial ideas rather than some single clever idea that can be patented. The worth of the software is not in any of those single small decisions, but in the whole. It's also distressing to see that people patent ‘ideas’. It's not even a working "thing"; it's just a small way of doing things that you try to patent, just to have a weapon in an economic fight. Sad. Patents have lost all redeeming value, if they ever had any. ' - lesty420, on 07/19/2008, -1/+8RIP
- digitalarcanum, on 07/19/2008, -1/+8I respect Torvalds if for nothing else, then for calling the digg community a bunch of wanking walruses, when it's true. for the most part, the community I joined a few years ago is vastly different from the ***** I see today. Congratulations digg, you're no longer relevant, and you no longer have your roots.
- linagee, on 07/19/2008, -5/+12@nmnnotmyname: If I boot up Windows it's not very operational either (unless being a POS counts), but somehow they have managed to call THAT an operating system.
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+7KDE and X.org are not part of GNU/Linux. Since they are usermode apps that run atop the GNU software it's pretty much ignored for naming purposes - The GNU software (including the compiler, mind you) is the real core, not KDE or X.org. You might as well just list all applications that run atop X at that point.
- Kingoftherings, on 07/19/2008, -1/+7Linus did write Linux. Linux is the kernel, not the OS. What you're referring to as 'what beecame known as Linux' is a Distribution (OS) using the Linux kernel.
- franklymister, on 07/19/2008, -0/+6Quick, someone submit a blog post called "Top 10 Things Linus Torvalds Said In His Interview!"
- hamobu, on 07/19/2008, -0/+5There is some confusion as to what an OS is. In the old days, the OS was just the kernel. Today OS is taken to mean everything including a WM, browser, text editor, Mine sweeper, etc.
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -2/+7A kernel alone is not an operating system...
Boot it up and see what happens :P It's not very operational if you ask me. - RompeRatones, on 07/19/2008, -2/+7i always thought linux was a kernel and not an OS.
- SuperMoses, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6"There was never a genius without a tincture of madness." - Aristotle
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6[G]nu is [N]ot [U]nix, No it is not...
What's your point? Nobody said it was... - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4Minus being a smart ass, You can't boot up Linux alone. Nothing at all to do. Besides, wouldn't you need a bootloader? Some people might not consider it part of an OS, but an OS is meant to be an all-in-one solution for a platform to work on a computer with.
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -1/+5But it's actually funny. I'll still use SVN anyways.
- peaceninja, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4dugg for cymru (welsh)
- hamobu, on 07/19/2008, -2/+6Linus Torvalds is a smart guy. Still he kind of got much more fame than he really deserves just because he named a kernel after himself, and people started naming all of the software bundled with Kernel, after the kernel.
The other thing about Linus Torvalds is that he is not really controversial and disagreeable. He is nice and does not really rock the boat too much. People like nice people, but they love boat rockers such as RMS. - chroko, on 07/19/2008, -2/+5Okay, something is wrong with this quote:
"Quite the reverse - patents are very much used to stop competition, which is undeniably the most powerful way to encourage innovation."
Logically that last bit should be "the most powerful way to discourage innovation." A transcription error, perhaps? - ktxxx, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3I think you just got buried.
- IllBeBack, on 07/19/2008, -14/+17Hmmm, he seems to be a 9th Level Douche with Super Extra Douchiness Powers.
- ktxxx, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Haha
- lemur, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3I don't believe RMS is a nut job. I've read a lot of things he's written and listened to a lot of his speeches. In all honestly, is perhaps the most honest, clear, and coherent politician I've EVER heard. True to his programming roots, he doesn't leave any logical gaps in his arguments at all, and I suspect part of why people hate him is because he's so thorough and correct in his reasoning.
Yes it kind of sucks to hear that it's bad to trade future freedom and prosperity for temporary convenience in the present, especially when you are caught red handed doing it. Nobody likes to admit fault, and they especially don't want to change their ways, but I applaud Stallman for expecting the very best on a moral level in a society that scoffs at morality.
You're probably one of those people that thinks environmentalism is stupid because everything seems to be OK *right now* - whiteguysamurai, on 07/19/2008, -1/+4In fact ask yourself this: if Linux didn't exist, would Google, Facebook, PHP, Apache, or MySQL?
Yes, they would just run off of something else. - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -1/+4FTA: Linus went on to spend a total of ten years at Helsinki University, as student, researcher and instructor. His M.Sc. thesis was titled 'Linux: A Portable Operating System'
I guess Linus would disagree with you. - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Someone has no sense of humor.
- hamobu, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3When he calls Diggers "Wanking Walruses" , he does not mean me. It's those other people.
- DestroyFascism, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3So true, just look at all the patent trolls that exist.
Patenting, a means of documenting a working model (drawings, technical data). The document contains the original working model, not just the idea. If you can improve in the Idea without copying the working model then you have advanced the idea further. (like plagiarism you can't copy the words but you can copy the story which is why the 12 bar blues is so well known and stories like, Man gets wife, has an accident, becomes a ghost. What he does at those points is up to the Author, but it should not be in a sense, word for word.)
Today you patent the idea, the idea cannot be copied as it has not been documented. This is where the patent thing gets lost to smart ass layers with an ability to twist words and mold them into a fashionable sock to place into other peoples mouths.
Only the working model should be the rightful copy and property of the inventor. What happens after that, who cares, so long as it gets better. IF that were not the case then we would all be listening to the radio using AM and morse code. TV would not have been possible and 802.11g would be out of the question. The reason being is that it uses an antenna to transmit energy which is then decoded as data.
That's the way I see it and why patent trolls are having a field day, one idiot judge asleep at the wheel and the whole thing of 'software' suddenly belongs to f'n Microsoft. - BalzacOG, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3No way dude. You're very wrong about that.
We all have people in our lives who are close to us, yet annoy the hell out of us.
Anyway, Linus was more respectful in this interview than he has been in the past.
Respect is due.
http://www.publicvictory.org/content/gnu-father - 3leggedHorse, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Fingering Fawn.
- dagol, on 07/19/2008, -3/+5 Kudos to Richard Morris for asking trovalds really sensible and interesting questions
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -0/+2Because it's too much to most people. While the graphical environment are important, they are not vital like the runtime libs or the shell. They are built atop those. They are the very base of usermode applications, while X.org and KDE are just regular applications.
You don't even have an OS without the GNU core. Just a kernel. You can't even fix the problem from there because you can't write anything in an OS you can't even log into. If there was no desktop environment, it could be fixed by writing one. You can't write what the GNU part of the OS does inside of the OS because there would essentially be no OS.
You can have multiple desktop environments installed - but you can't have multiple core platforms installed, or not with the current design of OS's. - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Well, honest anyways.
- harlowsmonkeys, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Most Linux distributions are not GNU/Linux. Go read the definition of the GNU system over at gnu.org. Systems that include non-free software do not qualify, and most Linux distributions included some non-free software, and hence are *NOT* implementations of the GNU system.
Second, many people who have put together operating systems that include the Linux kernel have chosen to name their operating system "Linux". That makes it the correct name for those operating systems, as historically it is the people who put together the OS that get to name it, not the third parties whose components they chose to incorporate. If the FSF wants to have GNU in the name of an operating system, then they can release an operating system and put GNU in its name. But they don't get any naming rights to operating systems others build that happen to use some GNU components. - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2He said that competition thrives innovation and patents are used to stop competition not to encourage it.
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