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- EnderTheThird, on 10/12/2007, -6/+181This just in:
New splash screen when booting Linux with ATI Linux drivers gives users the finger! - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+89AMD sucks at decision making.
1) Lets drop socket 939, that way customers who simply want to upgrade their CPU are forced to choose between us or the superior Intel chips.
2) Lets not release our supposedly 'ready' DX10 GPU's. Lets wait untill the whole line is ready and let Nvidia sell their 8 series GPU's with no competition from us.
3) Lets not support anything that would make us more attractive to Linux users. - snotrokit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+91No more ATI then. Makes my decision pretty damned easy. You don't support my Linux, I don't support your company. blow me.
- Satanael, on 10/12/2007, -2/+72What happened, AMD? I thought we were friends... =[
- sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -4/+64Oh double trouble. ATI + Broadcom, the bane of Linux's existance
AMD, Broadcom, and Microsoft
THE REAL AXIS OF EVIL! - avik42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+57I bought an Acer laptop on last Saturday from Futureshop (Canadian Best Buy). It was Intel Centrino with ATI graphics card came with Vista home. It's suppose to be my wife's new toy. After playing with "new" Windows for about half hour the order came, "please take this out and put my Linux back on my laptop". So, my day starts. Please keep in mind, our house has been Windows (tm) free for last 7+ years.
Long story short, my effort ended with returning the laptop the very say day. I ended up getting a Toshiba with Centrio Duo, 945GM with intel wifi and nic. Everything but the wifi worked out of the box under ubuntu. I went to the intel website and shockingly there was linux driver for the wifi. I downloaded their wifi driver (a binary file) put it in my startup file. I have wifi. I was pretty much in disbelief. That couldn't possibly it. But it was.
My wife's laptop is now running Compiz and she has what she's used to and loves it. Thank you Intel (never thought I would ever say that).
I own a X1600pro ATI pcie card. I will be returning that and getting myself a nVidia 6600 or 6800. Why? You guessed it. It's my money and you want it. I supported you when you were the little company who fought Intel monopoly on CPU. Now I fight you in the very same manner for a different reason. Ironically, my weapon is the same... my wallet.
Here to you getting smarter in the long run... because I always was an AMD fan (as a matter of fact all my CPUs at home are AMD but I have a feeling that will change now). - sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -14/+61Solution:
Currently there is no solution.
Used to say:
Solution:
Use Windows.
F**k you AMD. - ts8lemonade, on 10/12/2007, -2/+48This is why I've always bought nvidia cards...they care about us Linux users! I know that the Linux market is small, but there are certainly some of us that would buy your products if only you put a little effort into supporting Linux and other OS's.
- pdaly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45It's been known in the MythTV community for a while the the driver support for both the video and TV tuners cards on Linux is horrible.
NVIDIA is strongly suggested for choice of video cards. Hauppauge PVR-150/250/350/500 for tuner cards.
-Pete
http://www.mythpvr.com - ronaldst, on 10/12/2007, -2/+42That's how the market works. :)
- stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41"Solution: Buy an Nvidia graphics card."
- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -1/+394) Let's purchase ATI
- andyrobo60, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37"Currently there is no solution."
Does this mean that they are working on 1??
lets just hope AMD do a better job with linux graphics drivers than ATI did on their own. - rolosworld, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37QUOTE:
The following features are not supported with ATI Linux drivers.
* AIGLX, Beryl, Compiz, MythTV, TV TIME
so.... this are features? I was betting they where Linux programs.
nice way to not admit their drivers are BROKEN! - btipling, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Don't buy ATI if you want a Linux machine. You don't want to learn this the hardway.
- hockeysmurf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Two reasons I always buy nvidia:
- Digital Vibrance
- better Linux support - chris4404, on 10/12/2007, -7/+35@ransomowris
A self aware idiot is an oxymoron. - ubuwalker31, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29"Use Windows"
No, buy an Nvidia graphics card. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Intel have been much better on the OSS front than AMD recently. I bought a laptop in the new year that was almost 100% Intel stuff and every piece of it worked out of the box with every Linux distro I've tried (bar Gentoo since naturally nothing works out of the box with it).
I always recommend Intel these days and I've been a rabid AMD fanboy since the very first Athlons came out.
//edit - It's worth noting that ATI aren't brilliant at the whole driver thing on Windows and never have been. I can remember breaking my computer because of a dodgy driver update for my 3D Rage II when I installed DX2 back in the day.// - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+31AMD/ATI sucks a big one
they are just giving customers to nvidia, ***** them - hockey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23ATI has always had crappy linux support.
Simply put as a linux user it's the main reason I support nVidia. - noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Yep. I never buy ATi products. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22TO ALL HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS:
Open up your drivers to linux developers, and you will gain users. No *****. - JaredRR, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20AMD did a great job at bring competition to the CPU market in the last decade, but Intel has destroyed them on the community front. Intel supports Linux development for new development, etc. I used to be an AMD fanboy, but they've burned through my goodwill with decisions like this one. I have a dual Opteron in my home office... but my laptop is dual core Intel chip.
Support the community and it will support you. Don't, and we won't. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22That's what Linux users deserve for buying ATi.
"ATi...our drivers ***** up on Windows and don't support any of the features you want on Linux. ATi..FTL" - andrewmp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Doesn't this just mean their support team won't answer questions about those packages?
- jexdawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17I must be missing something. I have an ATI Radeon 9000x series graphics card and I run AIGLX with Beryl almost flawlessly. Is "supported" the key word here? As in, it will work, but we won't help you with it if it doesn't?
- selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I am almost considering selling my laptop(which was bought before I became interested in Linux) and buying one with a different wireless card and video card...
- Aberen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Well then... ATI products once were my favorite, Guess what.. not anymore..
- rhavenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Beryl / Compiz /etc... require hooks into the 3D driver portion to do their OpenGL 3D prettifying of your desktop. I'm guessing ATI isn't taking the time to provide those hooks.
That's okay though, just buy nVidia. - hockey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Without seeing the source code for ATI's drivers or these products let me try to take a stab.
ATI in the past has had crappy driver support (even with windows). Their linux support is even worse. It's not completely that far fetched to blame poor drivers here. Driver support for ATI was so bad that I once read a comment by John Carmack (the creator of Doom and Quake) where he said that when he encountered bugs in his code he suspected buggy ATI's drivers rather than his own code. - EnderTheThird, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@SDNick484
While ATI's proprietary drivers will allow you to run Beryl/Compiz with XGL, that doesn't really solve anything. I used an ATI AIW Radeon 9800 Pro for quite a while until I fired up a friend's laptop and noticed how much better Beryl ran under a GMA 950. I had numerous problems with slow video playback and GL accelerated applications (mainly Google Earth because I didn't play games) while running XGL. I got tired of it, so I finally said to hell with it and picked up a $100 Geforce 7600 GS. The funny thing is that I never even considered that a waste of $100. It was just so much easier using the nVidia card that spending that extra money was worth it to me.
I have no intentions of ever buying another ATI product until they shape up with their Linux support. I'm not saying they're a horrible company; it's just that their products don't suit my needs (or those of almost any Linux user) anymore. - coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@jexdawg
Only the open source ati drivers support AIGLX, And that driver is not supported, developed, or endorsed by AMD/ATI. - Xenogis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I am getting ready to replace my ***** laptop with a 2.0 GHz macbook. They have intel video cards which in my opinion are the easiest to setup in linux. Mainly because the official drivers are open source.
- bigtrouble77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13That's a retarted comment. AMD JUST bought ATI. How the hell are they supposed to do a complete driver overhaul in a matter of months? I agree that ATI screwed up by not supporting linux better, but ignorant AMD bashing does not help solve the probelm.
If you had any interest in getting Beryl or compiz working you would have found that the OPEN SOURCE linux ATI drivers work quite well. - erzz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Stop talking with reason and thought.... there is a bandwagon to jump on here!
All aboard!!!!! - Altotus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Your lucky. ATI supports fewer cards on Vista than Linux. You're worse off still if you want to go the 64-bit route.
- seeknowsage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I used to not have an opinion about this. I tried installing and working with a couple of linux flavors over the years, but found myself quickly uninstalling them. I recently installed Ubuntu on a second system with an older ATI 9700 pro video card and got beryl running on it. I think it is absolutely beautiful and find myself using my linux system more and more everyday. However, the ati drivers were a pain to deal with. Next time I upgrade my pc's, I'll most definitely be putting in an NVIDIA card into my linux system and get a bigger monitor (as a 15" doesn't do beryl justice).
- thenagman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The problem erzz, is the the features that these new 3d accelerated desktops utilize need a driver that supports the APIs they call. The APIs are open sourced, and available to anyone that wants to implement them, as NVIDIA has done. So here is the problem, AMD/ATI claims to want to play in the open source/linux space, but doesn't want to dedicate enough resources to get their drivers up to what the competition is doing, so by comparison they suck.
- fac3less, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Well, time to buy Nvidia.
//Seriously.
Recommendations anyone? Ship 'em to me! - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11No you are right, ATI have always been poor WRT drivers. They are bad at it Windows side and are bad at it Linux side.
You are probably getting dugg down because you asked for it with the last line. - alaren, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Which is kind of sad... back in the day, my Radeon 9600 Pro was a great card for gaming and other graphical heavy-lifting. It still runs most new stuff, albeit at lower resolutions... it even managed Oblivion well enough to play. But I run Ubuntu now, and I guess we've all seen ATi's death coming for a while now. No linux drivers, no more ATi.
- luciferin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Even certain NVidia card have issues with MythTV (XvMC/overlays, prebuffering pauses), but these are certainly getting better.
Basically, neither one is perfect, Nvidia just seems to be making more progress. - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8They're called 'technical evangelists'. Most tech companies recognize them as the people who guide the decisions of their less tech savy friends and family.
It's true that I'm in a very small minority as a person who actually cares about this stuff, but it's also true that I influence the computer buying decisions multiple households. It's almost a monthly occurence for me to guide a computer buying decision for someone in my extended family.
I'm sure most computer savy Linux users are in the same position with their families. - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8To be fair, ATI ignored Linux for 20 years before AMD bought them. AMD is a friend of Linux and I'm sure they'll pick up the ball at some point. However, ATI is vehemently protective of their intellectual property which is why they refuse to open source their drivers for Linux. Even if a Linux driver comes out, expect it to be a binary.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I can't take this anymore. I figured that when AMD bought ATi, the graphics drivers would be better. The fglrx driver sucks just as much as it did 3 years ago.
- noisymime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@avik42
Intel is doing amazing things on linux at the moment and whilst their GPUs aren't really anything to write home about, they guarantee to have working linux drivers the day they release a product. In addition to this, they have said that any upgraded Windows drivers will be accompanied by the equivalent upgraded linux driver, at the same time. Having Keith Packard onboard with them probably makes big a difference too.
MUCH respect to Intel for their linux work recently. - BrainInAJar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@GMorgan
they're open specifications for most, if not all, of their chipset/graphics/wifi stuff as well as implementation.
Intel's /really/ good to their ISV's (3rd party developers). They sent me a 5-volume set of ia32/x64 architecture manuals for free, just because I asked. - motters, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6AMD should be capable of better than this. I'll probably choose an Intel next time.
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