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- flashingcurser, on 11/17/2008, -0/+20They didn't show e17? That is a very old version of enlightenment.
http://www.enlightenment.org/ - mizunoX, on 11/17/2008, -1/+14I remember when enlightenment was thought of as a bloated window manager.
Since that was ten years ago I suppose computing power has caught up! - inactive, on 11/17/2008, -5/+18XFCE ftw. xStep wms are horrible. That have that mid-90s look and feel.
- 4321234, on 11/18/2008, -1/+14(Linux + 70% server market share + 1% desktop market share) - AppleMac + 3% market share = LOL
- brisbin33, on 11/17/2008, -0/+12openbox + xcompmgr + conky for me... minimally beautiful.
- shamgar03, on 11/17/2008, -0/+10Where is wmii or ion or dwm?
http://www.suckless.org/
Dedicated to software that sucks less. A window manager that ACTUALLY manages windows. Seriously though, its pretty nice once you get used to it. - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+9Seeing that you took the time to comment about Linux even though it was negative is proof that Linux is gaining ground.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - wastern, on 11/18/2008, -0/+9I was amazed they picked such an awful screenshot of it. I used it about 4 or 5 years ago and it looked much better then that. It had some pretty cool effects, it just seemed a lot more buggy and had less support then some of the better known WMs
- artsike, on 11/18/2008, -1/+9This is stupid. Didn't even mention Openbox, awesome, wmii, etc
- cowboy77061, on 11/18/2008, -0/+7fluxbox looks pretty cool.
- wastern, on 11/18/2008, -0/+7fluxbox is great, very fast and minimal
if you're stuck on Windows you can try Blackbox as well which is a very similar window manager - plhofmei, on 11/17/2008, -0/+6Window Maker -- ahh the memories.
- KingCritter, on 11/18/2008, -0/+6"...market share, they need to focus..."
'They?' Who is is this this 'they' you speak of? - Brassbud, on 11/18/2008, -0/+6KDE 4 looks very pretty with stock options from most distros (granted, it has much room for improvement from a maturity perspective, but so does Vista). I'd almost say that Windows 7's desktop is copying it.
These window managers serve a special purpose and I, for one, would be lost without something filling this role. Personally, I'd rather like to avoid running X all together if I can get away with it. - Shadoglare, on 11/17/2008, -0/+5I used to be quite a fan of WindowMaker - been a while since I've used it though, so not sure how it compares these days...
- mithrasinvictus, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5Gnome and KDE are mainstream, these are alternatives.
- webcrumb, on 11/18/2008, -1/+6awesome is also fairly decent, in the same vein as dwm.
http://awesome.naquadah.org/ - Cayfox, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5As long as people stick to XFCE, they'll be fine. But as for the other options... Mac and Windows users are going to blech at an interface that is basically one step up from TWM or OSF/Motif.
And what's with calling window managers 'desktop managers'? Desktop seems to imply an integrated set of apps, which none of these have besides XFCE. Just wait until they find out that the only way to tweak away the minor inconveniences in their user experience is by sitting there patiently with a text editor and a man page in front of them, where even the smallest typo can prevent their session from restarting...
Ever tried to fix a broken FVWM button bar? Welcome to the seventh circle of hell. - patricks, on 11/18/2008, -1/+5Things have come a long way when we are talking about E being a lightweight wm. Crazy.
- Hortinstein, on 11/18/2008, -1/+5screen?
- Anadrienduil, on 11/18/2008, -1/+5Have you tried FLuxbox?
- immrlizard, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4You could have just installed gnome. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome
I did that back when I was getting ready to go to 7.10 and using kubuntu. - Aurabolt, on 11/17/2008, -1/+5..."that aren't Gnome or KDE"
- ICLW, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4Yes! Choice be damned! Really?
- smotpoker, on 11/17/2008, -0/+4I started with WindowMaker when I first started seeking resource efficiency but I think I switched to Fluxbox within a year or two and have stuck with it ever since (6 or 7 years ago I think). It seems to be more efficient as well as more customizable and helps productivity. http://www.mentalcases.net/%7Elektronx/ss.jpg http://www.mentalcases.net/~lektronx/ss-2007-05.jp ...
- Brassbud, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4I most often have used XFCE and FVWM (non-crystal) on systems that can't handle Gnome/KDE or systems that I run at level 3 and only occasionally use a window manager for application compatibility.
- mroberts, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3Dugg for WindowMaker Pic.
- thethorn, on 11/18/2008, -2/+5e17 looks pretty nice.
http://www.pascal.gr/articles/images/e17.jpg - shadowblade989, on 11/18/2008, -3/+6Except for XFCE, I think there's a reason why Gnome and KDE are the most popular desktop managers.
- Gyga, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3Obviously Gnome and KDE are so close in user numbers that over the course of typing that one sentence the most used one changed so the author had to change the sentence, but it then changed again, and the again ...
PS. I do not claim any mastery of the English language. - cheeseplease, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3I love XFCE a lot. I put Arch linux with XFCE on a Pentium II with 192MB ram, together with Compiz and Emerald so it looks very pretty and the thing runs completely smooth! I can run Firefox with multiple tabs and switch to my music player on the second plane of my desktop cube without any delays.
I'm planning to use it on my current desktop as well. Currently using Ubuntu with Gnome but I can't wait to have the time to install XFCE and send my desktop flying. - TehDoctor, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3ratpoison > *
- yuanzhoulu, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3are they ***** kidding me? afterstep? that thing is old as a mammoth! has there been an significant release since like 1997?
- wastern, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3The only thing I've heard people try to laugh at Linux about is market share and hardware support. And the hardware support has gotten much better, which is amazing due to the lack of help from hardware vendors
Its a good OS as long as you don't need certain commercial applications, thats one thing Apple has on Linux. You can run and get support for things like Photoshop without turning to things like Wine. Not everyone likes the big software companies, but some people need the software they make to do their job effectively.
I think Linux and Apple are both transitioning from the "laugh at you" to the "fight you" stage. The users shouldn't be fighting each other. After all they're both *nix operating systems. Apple gives back to the community with WebKit, garbage collector, darwin, and other things. And you can't help but see some design choices in Gnome and Compiz has been taken from OS X. - Gundamdriver, on 11/18/2008, -1/+4I think Fluxbox/ Openbox shows the true *nix GUI style.
Mac has Aqua, Windows has Windows Aero, and I think *nix should have its own style too. - cheeseplease, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2Try XFCE, you won't regret it. It's much quicker than Gnome and has more or less the same amount of configurability and eye-candy.
- buddyw, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2ion3
- dullnation, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2I thought it had cool effects, but that too was ten years ago.
- v1ctor, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2I made the switch to Linux about 4 years ago... I stuck with fluxbox soon after for the exact reasons you mention. I've tried to find a more efficient windows manager that meets my needs and saves resources, but I've yet to find one better than fluxbox.
- vulcanius, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2I'm a huge fan of E17 and use it on every laptop install, I wish it got more notoriety.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2I ran IceWM for years and still use it on really old kit, but I also prefer Gnome/Compiz now.
- felipe1982, on 11/19/2008, -0/+2No one cares about market share.
- smotpoker, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2"And what's with calling window managers 'desktop managers'?"
I think maybe they decided to coin a new term because "window manager" implies it just handles app windows primarily. Desktop manager implies it handles multiple desktops (which seems more apt since most of these have supported/featured multiple desktops/workspaces for years).
Maybe you are confusing it with 'Desktop environment' which traditionally implies a suite of apps etc (which was my initial response as well).
"Just wait until they find out that the only way to tweak away the minor inconveniences in their user experience is by sitting there patiently with a text editor and a man page in front of them, where even the smallest typo can prevent their session from restarting"
That may be possible of some of these but hardly seems likely. Plus these are more advanced GUIs that target intermediate/advanced users, I doubt most would have much of a problem with configuration or recovery if said configuration fails. - MrTea, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2seconded
add lxpanel to that as well - BeatPunchbeef, on 11/17/2008, -1/+3Macs are still DISTANT 2nd LOLLERSK8Z!!!111
btw, you spent too much on your computer. Learn how to roll your own son.
/tuxFTW - Lane, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1If you're on windows but are interested in something similar you can try litestep, it kicks expore shells ass. plenty of themes, litestep installs them itself. Make sure you have an interent connection though when installing themes as it will need to get little apps sometimes.
- ScottyMcBaggs, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1gnome + e used to be the ***** around slack... i wanna say 6.0? can't recall but yea about 8 or so years ago. i used it and loved it, didn't think it was bloated either.
- newwatch51, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Yeah, tiling WM's are a lot more efficient
- evilgourmet, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Blackbox. mmm love the slit.
- newwatch51, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Probably not that much different
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