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- QEDbitches, on 10/11/2007, -6/+65It doesn't take much to crash even some of the better OSes available. ***** happens.
ex. It took me a mere 20 min to crash Vista. Now that I fixed it up, I think it has some potential (this from a OSX user)
You learn the most about the system by fixing it. Get over it you pansy and hop back in Ubuntu. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+60loses
- leobaby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+42"Haven't rebooted into Ubuntu to try to fix it since then..."
I'm willing to bet your tolerance for windows errors is much much higher. - Jibberwalk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32"loses"
That just made my day! - williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32UAC is only noticable if you are trying out new stuff, which, of course, is the point of his 60 day experiment. Sheesh. "Damn safety on this gun. It would be sooo much easier... (BANG) Owwwwww!!!!!!!"
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+31as do I, yet I still have Beryl running and everything works well. Quit bitching and learn how to set things up.
- SeBBBe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25I have an ATI card, and after some tweaking the fglrx driver, not only did it boot properly, but I also got Compiz working.
- ahawks, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2511%? So you're saying we get over 1 out of every 10 words wrong?
The above sentence contained 12 words (counting contractions as one words, and numbers as words), and I think it's a pretty well formed sentence.
Plus, it's just hilarious you misspelled "lose." - fires, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23Well, in the case of Linux, while it's sometimes a hassle having to fix your system when something goes wrong, it's definitely the best way to learn how to use it efficiently end expertly. Someone from slashdot said (sorry, forgot your name):
" Using linux is like a game, if you're able to make it run better than Windows, you're winning"
It's not that hard to do, and fun too :) - Sparkster185, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22That's too bad. My laptop's Wi-Fi worked out of the box with Feisty.
- ahawks, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22I HATE ntfs's security. Here's what always bites me:
- Back up a bunch of data to another NTFS drive
- Reinstall XP/Vista
- Copy backed-up data over to original drive
- Cry when all the permissions are broken. Spend a lot of time resetting ownership and user permissions (it takes a long time for it to set those on every file).
- Try accessing files again, it didn't work.
- Try again to re-set file permissions
- It may or may not work. Continue trying over and over until it works or you shoot someone. - Sparkster185, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17http://www.ubuntuforums.org
This community is really helpful, especially to new users. You might see me posting in the "Absolute Beginner Talk", my username there is the same here. - Gerz1219, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18I've never understood the big problem with Linux's weak wireless support, particularly for desktops. Just do some research and buy a supported WiFi card, they're like $30. If you have a laptop, get a supported USB adapter. Wireless technology is so cheap these days that I just don't understand why this would be a dealbreaker. Particularly since Ubuntu runs so much faster than a clogged up spyware-ridden XP install, it's almost like upgrading your computer for free.
- MikeOSX, on 10/11/2007, -6/+21I would try ubuntu, but unfortunately I have an ATI card.
- arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17@roosterjim
That post needs a sarcasm tag, if it is in fact sarcastic (and I hope it is). New users might just follow along with that not knowing what their doing. It's like that thing people tell users to enter: sudo rmfs -R /*
If someone didn't know that this would destroy your system, they might just go along with it. Jokes are fine, but when you add a: "Trust me, it'll work" line to it, someone is bound to do it. And that's not right. - BlackOp, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16Try wine.
edit: beaten, meh.. - arbulus, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19@djpants
I don't like that idea. I know permissions can get annoying sometime, but granting 777 to your entire root directory? That's not safe. - qthews, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14I have an integrated ATI card and KUbuntu has fewer problems with it than XP did.
- notantspants, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12@clackerd
you moan about the guy's grammar and then you write ..... my bad for jumping the gun. This may be an americanism or it may be your bad English. Pot and kettle spring to mind. - fires, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14UAC is an attempt by Microsoft to bring in something akin to sudo or gksudo, but it's fundamentally flawed in the sense that it doesn't ask you the administrator/root password, it just asks that you click 'yes' or 'no'.
In the end, the user just blindly presses 'yes' all the time (or disables it), missing the whole point of elevated security levels designed to protect you from f*cking up your system.
correct me if i'm wrong though. Haven't used Vista :-P - Dubbsacc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14@arbulus
Thanks for looking out for us Linux noobs. We all have to start somewhere. - brufleth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13man pages suck. You need to know the name of the command you're trying to find out about AND you have to have a pretty good idea of what the command does because usually the man page is so poorly done it fails to really explain the command. I use Unix all day long and rarely ever use man pages. They're meant for people who already know what they're doing and just need to look up a particular syntax or flag.
- Balla79, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Probably something to do with the fact that Broadcom do not release API to their WLAN cards or ship good properitary drivers. One of my wireless is using Atheros chipset, and it worked out-of-box with Ubuntu 7.04 with properitary drivers.
I realize, of course, that Linux can be frustrating if you're unlucky with your hardware, but please stop talking out of your ass. - NJank, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13"Quit bitching and learn how to set things up"
not learning and staying with things as is = zero effort
effort in learning how to set things up > zero effort
if he has no driving need to overcome this energy barrier, he will stay put, and he SHOULD stay put. I assume for the time being that he cannot tunnel... - d3dm, on 10/11/2007, -11/+22In other news, I've been eating beans for the last two months. Let me tell you all about it... PHHHHHFFFFFFTTTT!
- sacherjj, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Umm. You realize that you are leaving out mostly consonants, not vowels, Right?
- roosterjm2k2, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15arbulus ...
so you're the reason I have to see "/sarcasm" 50 times a day.... now i understand. - c0dem0nkey, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Other than games (which remains a very weak area for Linux) what "Windows programs" do you need? Do you realize that you can run Windows via VMWare in Ubuntu and still use many (most?) of your Windows programs with the added benefit of being able to "reset" your Windows installation to a previous snapshot of the current Windows OS configuration?
I have been running a Linux distribution as my sole home OS for over six years (I am not a computer gamer - tabletop for me!) and recently, after purchasing a system from my office, I virtualized Windows XP on my Ubuntu box (mostly to experiment - I haven't done anything with it). It was not difficult to do and there was a lot assistance available from Ubuntu forums, etc.
Usually, when I meet someone who is considering making the switch I tell them to make a list of the applications that they just *cannot* live without and for which they are unwilling to use alternatives. You then investigate whether you can run those applications effectively in a virtualized context (VMWare http://www.vmware.com) or via something like Codeweaver's Crossover plugin (http://www.codeweavers.com/products/). For games, you check out Cedega support (http://www.transgaming.com) - keeping in mind, of course, that Cedega may not have the latest, greatest games.
If you come up short, you're done...you can stop talking about switching altogether because you are obviously not ready or willing to switch. No harm, no foul. That sounds a bit harsh but, come on, if you've got to have a particular program optimized or written for a particular OS, switching is not for you.
The big hangups I hear over and over are: games, accounting software and Adobe Photoshop. There are alternatives in Linux...some people think they are great, some don't. Only you can determine whether a tool meets your needs.
If you do make the switch, however, I'd recommend making it full bore - at least switch over all of your web-related applications and *do not* dual boot. Learning a new computing paradigm takes a bit of time and effort (it *is* a different OS with a different approach to security, application installation, etc.). If you dual-boot, you may be tempted to switch back to Windows before you've gotten over the initial learning curve on Ubuntu.
Most users I've met can get in and get productive very quickly - but they are *users* and not administrators and they typically need to create documents, manage email and surf the web - pretty basic stuff. The hardest part for new users to Linux nowadays seems to be adapting to an OS that will not allow you to romp willy-nilly throughout the filesystem without verifying your right to do so. There are some other problem areas: ATI drivers and wifi continue to be issues but can be worked through.
Get a LiveCD and give it a try! - Ub3rg33k, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10"I can live with the command-based and do see how productive it is (the French Ubuntu community is putting together fantastic how-tos that I just have to copy and paste from to install and parameter stuff like SAMBA, merci les gars) but I generally prefer using GUIs and it is an issue that there are so many things I still have to do “manually”. "
I used to be this way too, but now I love CLI. Hell, I even get my cmd on in Windows now more because of using Ubuntu. I understand this is how the average user thinks, but I've found the only things you *need* to do in command line are the things that can really fsck up your system bad. Everything else can be done in a GUI of some sort. This is not a bad thing.
"I hate the file-based access rights management that Linux uses. I hate it. Remember, in Windows, you don’t care about that stuff and I really haven’t done so since CS classes 15 years ago. I am thinking of just giving root its own password and using it as my main account, I am so pissed about having to sudo this, sudo that because I can’t write to usr/share/games/whatever. "
Danger Will Robinson! DANGER! DO NOT DO THIS!
"It is too bad the Ubuntu team seems a bit shy about adding more stuff to the initial distribution. Reinstalling means reinstalling tons of small stuff that I like (preload for instance, another one is this small package that allows you to open the terminal in the window through a righ-click, I have even forgotten its name). Why not just include more of these utilities out-of-the box? "
Uh, make separate partitions for /home or whatever and reinstalling the core is a ton less painful. Besides, they want it to be fast and stable. You can only call so many utilities "need to have". Your useful tool is someone else's bloatware.
"I am generally uncomfortable with some of the religious debates that even users like me get pulled into on forums. Why is Automatix bad, again? Who cares if this driver is free or not? Unrar is an example: I don’t know if I want the free Unrar or the unfree UnRAR, i just want the one that works. I understand that on some theoretical level, free is important , but I am just a user and I do not want to have a theological argument every time I open a .pdf. "
The only one I can't really argue with. - Sparkster185, on 10/11/2007, -8/+17Ever heard of WINE? It's still not 1.0 yet, but it's works for most applications.
- SweetMercury, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12KDE is definitely not "lighter." I installed Ubuntu and the Kubuntu desktop (KDE) to compare how the two ran. KDE has a lot more bells and whistles (which I'm sure can be turned off), but it just ran slower than GNOME. Choppy, even.
Which one looks better is a matter of personal taste. I prefer GNOME's stripped down look and feel, the X Window DE's are so customizable that you can make any of them look how you want them too, for the most part. - Novagenesis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11so basically, you don't want a hand-held walkthrough (which, I find, is VERY easy to get if you're polite), and you don't want to RTFM...
I got it, technopundit, you want someone ELSE to read the manpage for you?
Your question appears to have been answered in the exact form you wanted... Technical info.
Now if you say "I'm sorry, but I'm new to this and don't have the understanding to read *such and such* manpages. Does anyone have a simple walkthrough for *such and such* or could someone assist me with this issue?" in an Ubuntu chatroom, you may have to wait till someone has experienced the issue (hey, better than the "have you rebooted recently?", "Defrag and call me back in a week" or "time to reformat" runaround you get from tech support lines) - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Very cool to hear about someone making the switch. I am considering making the switch myself, only I want KDE so I am going Kubuntu. This will be my first total switch to linux. Any suggestions?
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9"The access right management might be annoying (I'd like to have a 'change as root' option, but for now it's: 'sudo gedit')"
actually you should be using gksudo gedit, I know it does not make a difference but when you run a graphical app you should run it with gksudo not sudo. Using sudo with a graphical application could mean messing up your .ICEauthority. Or sudo -H I believe uses the root users configuration files if you do not like gksudo or kdesu.
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo (for more info) - imbrandon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8flash works just fine natively
"sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" then restart firefox or use the GUI package manager, your choice
Cheers! - SeBBBe, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11My suggestion: Go for Kubuntu and you'll be happy.
- Theli, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8@bias
Calm down.
People have problems with all operating systems. I for instance had to re-install Windows 2000 four times in one day due to a graphics driver problem which rendered my OS inoperable. Despite this, I consider it to be one of the best operating systems ever made.
The OS crashing within 30 minutes could very well happen for some people, especially if it's their first time with said OS, but that doesn't mean that crashing within 30 minutes can be considered typical or a general fault with the operating system. - thtroyer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8@underthelinux
KDE should in no way be faster than Xfce, as Xfce is a very lightweight DE compared to their heavy-weight counterparts. Faster than Gnome? I would imagine it comes down to personal experience and hardware.
The little I've used KDE apps (and KDE in general), they all seem to have a similar look/feel. I tried Amarok a few days ago and wasn't too impressed. Granted, Amarok seemed to have some trouble integrating well with Gnome, but it seemed to highlight everything I didn't like about KDE and QT.
I don't especially like using KDE, but I recognize that there are people who do -- and that's great. Find something that works _for you_. No need for flames. ;) - thtroyer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Umm... I don't like Amarok either. Does that make me stupid too?
- thtroyer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Keep an open mind. Be willing to learn.
Good luck! - RamboJesus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I've learned Ubuntu the very best way you can.
The hard way.
Playing with things I shouldn't be playing with, having to reinstall.
Following guides online when I don't have a clue what I'm doing and put the wrong command in after Sudo, have to reinstall.
Basically getting my ass kicked over and over again tell I know what I'm doing.
It' the same way I learned windows those years ago.
Anyways, Ubuntu is awesome. - leszek, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7the easiest way to find good info is to use the power of google, add 'site:ubuntu.com' to your queries and you'll probably find a good howto.
Example for help with dual boot:
http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=dual+boot+site%3Aubuntu.com&btnG=Search&meta=
If you didn't find what you were looking there, you can always ask a question there:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ - NihilFist, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Linux distros have wireless support. They didn't at first (or did, but was very "unstable"), but now they have it.
And btw, if Ubuntu doesn't have it, it doesn't mean no other distro has it (Ubuntu is not the only one out here, yoi know...). See SuSE for example.
-Hell. - gavintlgold, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Sound works for me...
- tokyomonster, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9It's not linux's fault though. It's the wifi chipset manufacturers. The community is working with limited resources to put out some damn good software, but the industry, for a while at least, was refusing to contribute as well.
- thtroyer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7@tokyomonster
In my experience, either the card is supported and works or it just isn't supported.
The NDISwrapper is an excellent tool, but for a newbie to try to configure it while trying to learn Linux at the same time is... expecting a lot. - Novagenesis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6You know... it's not a lot of work to separate user from admin..it's just a power trip..
This administration system traditionally considered one of Unix's greatest strengths, and it most certainly does untold "Very Good Thing"s to the security of the system... and here's people trying hard to supersede that! You really shouldn't be installing stuff -that- often, nor should you change system-wide parameters on a daily basis... Having to type a 4-letter word (sudo, though it is a curseword to many) and your password REALLY isn't going to end all life as we know it. - idonthack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7@markdr123
It's faster to just download and burn the ISO, not to mention cheaper for Canonical.
Unless you're going to do distribution or don't have a CD burner, it's a good idea to do it yourself. -
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