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- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22From the end of the article:
"We'll see the crack between free software idealist and commercial open-source pragmatists grow into a true gap. "
I'm with the pragmatists because I want to see MS challenged in the markets, not challenged with abstruse arguments about code quality and business practices. Hit with real numbers of Linux users not with the taunts of fervent idealists....which they just find amusing if they pay any attention at all.
Well this issue has already been argued to exhaustion here in recent months. Perhaps new Diggers would like to speak up but I'm about sick of it...... - drag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Embedded market:
Linux portion of the share divided up.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7070519787.html
Debian is about 13% or so. The most popular is custom OS (kernel.org) based around vanilla kernel. Debian is the second. The third is a custom OS based on uclinux (Linux kernel modified specificly for embedded systems).
I was wrong about Linux being the second or third most popular OS for embedded work. It is the most popular OS..
http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8291914289.html
2nd place is Vxworks, 3rd place is Windows CE.
Linux server market:
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS00223005
This is from 2005...
"Linux server revenue exceeded $1.4 billion in quarterly factory revenue in 2Q05 as Linux server revenues showed 45.1% growth, the fastest rate of growth since 2Q04. Linux servers represented 11.5% of overall quarterly server revenue – reaching an all-time high – as Linux servers continue to expand their presence in data centers around the world for an increasing variety of workloads. HP maintained its number 1 spot in the Linux server market, with 24.3% market share in terms of revenue, while IBM was second with 20.3%."
http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/06/technology/workingtech0406/index.htm
This is talking about current database kings IBM vs Oracle:
"Analysts are split on who will win the next market-share battle, but the answer may key on the growth of Linux. In Gartner's survey, almost 60 percent of respondents plan to move their databases to Linux. That stands to reason: The hardware savings alone are staggering."
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/12/05/december_2006_web_server_survey.html
Not nessicarially Linux. But apache share is hovering around 60%, which is going to be running on mostly FreeBSD and Linux. But it's still open source software.
As far as SGI + SCO + Sun vs Linux... Your going to have to look it up yourself, it's not the sort of thing that pops up in news.
SGI is mostly dead. they haven't released a up date for it and are going to start cutting customer support soon. Their top of the line computers... a 512-way Itanium machine runs Linux.
SCO is obviously dead, everybody is running away that can run away.
Sun is still a big deal, but they have been forced to open source their OS, which is something that nobody would of dreamed off 5 years ago. It was THE OS of choice to run databases on for medium-sized arenas. It's still popular though. Since Sun is being smart about the source code and openness then they are probably going to keep their share in the long run.
For the Top500.org just look at the top10..
http://www.top500.org/lists/2006/11
1. BlueGene/L, IBM --- uses Linux for management, otherwise it doesn't realy have a OS per-say, a sort of batch proccessing system. Not sure of the details.
2. Red Storm, Cray --- Linux
3. BGW, IBM -- BlueGene-style computer, same as above.
4. ASC Purple, IBM -- Not sure, I beleive propriatory Unix which would be AIX.
5. MareNostrum, IBM -- Linux
6. Thunderbird, Dell -- Linux
7. Tera10, Bull -- Linux
8. Columbia, SGI -- Linux
9. TSUBAME, Sun -- Solaris, Linux. (can run either??)
10. Jaguar, Cray -- Linux for management, special microkernel for compute nodes.
(I know you didn't ask for that., but it's impressive. - drag, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22'Play with the big boys'
What are you talking about?
Linux -- second or third most popular operating system to be used in embedded systems. More popular then Microsoft's products. This market is _massive_. There are many many many more embedded devices then there are desktops.
And guess what, one of the most popular distros to use for embedded work is Debian. You know, the one with all the 'Fanatics'
Linux -- Most popular platform to deploy web systems, goes without saying.
Linux -- Quickly supplanting Unix operating systems as enterprise general purpose operating system of choice. Linux has killed SCO Unix and SGI's Irix. Linux has forced Sun to open source it's operating system in a (good) attempt to be competitive.
The market trend has been described as 'they are running to linux'. Linux server sales in 2006 is a billion dollar industry. And this is for a 'Free' operating system. The majority of Oracle database sales are on Linux.
Linux -- runs the most powerful super computers in the world. In the top500.org survey of the top 500 most powerfull publicly known super computers over 70% of them run Linux-based operating systems.
Linux is the second most popular operating system anywere. The only place it is struggling is on the desktop and that is due to Microsoft's intense monopoly. In most everything else Linux definately the big boy; The other kids are starting to have a difficult time keeping up with Linux.
And it has gotten there because it is open source and free software, not despite it. With out that fact it would of never been competitive enough to make it this far. - Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Pragmatism doesn't mean sticking with the operating system you're given, it means using the operating system that best serves your purposes without emotionally investing into it.
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15same article, different year. What else is new?
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Both strands/groups can live in harmony, IMHO. I'm on the FSF/GNU side, but I think that if Ub(inary)untu grabs a big portion, then that will give more room for Free software activists to manuver. People can woo the 'Ubuntification' phenomenon and later move between distross. Likewise, the philosophies of freedom can later be properly understood and open source drivers demanded.
- drag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"So your saying Linux holds, or will hold a bigger monoply than Microsoft?"
Not yet, but eventually.
Everybody sees it coming except for on the desktop, which is unique. That is up in the air.
But since not one company controls Linux you have Redhat and Novell both are the most popular commercial variants. But Oracle has introduced it's own Linux operating systems. Then there is Debian, which is also popular but it generally doesn't show up since 'market shares' are based on revenue, not total server sales or total install base.
So it won't ever be a monopoly, but it may end up being just 'the' operating system. It'll be generic stuff that everybody uses for everything.
Irregardless OSes will be generic some day. It's the nature of software. Stuff that was a big deal years ago, nobody gives a ***** about. People used to go out and pay 300 dollars for a text editor. Who would do that now? People would go and spend hundreds on compilers and linkers and other software development tools. This is the same stuff that now Borland, GNU folks, and Microsoft bundle with more complex products and give away.
10 years from now nobody is going to care what kernel they are running.
Also there is a strong possiblity that something better may come along. Maybe OpenSolaris or maybe a new kernel completely. Since it's all open source it's easy for people to migrate back and forth and for other operating systems to gain Linux compatability, even binary compatability. - sirhomer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+102007 is the year of the Linux desktop!
- mvent2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"Windows is better because it works."
- ...If you have the drivers. Linux provides you with drivers for most hardware out of the box. My cameras are all auto-detected from DigiKam, whereas I need to use the manufacturer's software to work with my pics on Windows.
"Windows is better because it has abundance of soft."
- Most of which you have to pay for. I can find everything I need in the Ubuntu package manager. I haven't found one piece of software on Windows that didn't have a good (and in most cases better) alternative on Linux.
"Windows is better because hardware works on it."
- ...If you have the drivers. Cuz you ain't getting them on your Windows CD. Can't say the same about Linux.
"Windows is better because I can easily share my resources"
- By "share your resources" do you mean files and folders? That can be done easily as well, look for a program called SMB4K.
"Windows is better because I can do design work"
- ...You haven't tried a Mac for that stuff yet? Macs blow Windows away when it comes to design work, but on the topic of Linux you'll have to be more specific about design work. With images there are two perfectly fine imaging programs that provide the most commonly used features of Photoshop. It may not match Photoshop but it's free. :)
"Windows is better because I can do accounting on it"
- GNUCash.
"Windows is better because I get automatic support from MS"
- Please. As soon as your Windows version is superseded MS doesn't want to have anything to do with you. Whereas if you ask around on Linux forums you can get help far better than what I've had to put up with from MS reps. If you want business-level support, why not try Red Hat or SuSE?
"Windows is better because I dont need to be tech savy to use it"
- You don't need to be tech savvy to use Linux either, provided you pick the right distro. Ubuntu and Mandriva are examples where I've never needed to touch config files or the command line to do anything.
"Windows is better because I can play games"
- And this is Linux's fault because...? Besides, it usually doesn't take long for Wine to up the ante.
"Windows is better because I dont need to relearn it everytime it gets upgraded"
- When do you need to relearn everytime Linux is upgraded? That's right, you don't.
"Windows is better because it has MS office(enough said)"
- I can run MS Office on Linux too. Your point?
"Windows is better because it makes me money"
- Congratulations. Thousands of businesses have gotten rich off Linux. Need examples? Google and IBM.
"Windows is better because for Business its better"
- I'd say the opposite frankly. Windows' insecurities and bugs come at a real price to business. There is a reason why the biggest businesses use Linux (bar Microsoft, of course)
"Windows is better because for eductaion its better"
- Not true. In fact I'd say Windows hinders education because most of them stay with crappy MS products. A school I've visited uses Internet Explorer 6 and Office XP. And I've seen two kids in my short visit asking for help because of freezes or other problems with their workstations. I even saw one kid in another computer lab get the BSOD about 2 minutes after starting up. You want our kids to grow up with a computing monopoly, at a time where computers are mainstream?
"Windows is better because its a standard"
- Defacto standard. If anything, Microsoft takes existing standards and screws them around, or even just makes their own standard. If I have to deal with another winmail.dat problem I am going to tear my hair out. And why bother creating a new Office format instead of supporting the ISO standard? Oh yes, of course. To keep customers locked in. - gnlnx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I have used Linux (mostly Debian) for a few years now, but what really did it for me was my discovery of Beryl earlier this year. After installing Beryl successfully I was able to convince a few people the Linux community is moving forward. Although installing Beryl is not anywhere near becoming an easy task (depending on your video card), I see it as a good step forward. Come for the eye candy and stay for the experience.
- JoeSlingo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8There does not need to be, and most likely never will be, one single linux distro. That's like saying there needs to be one single type of car. A major point of FOSS is alternative and lots of it. Can you imagine having only one operating system you are stuck with? Being forced to use Gnome when you like KDE (or vice versa)? I ran into this paradigm today with an older IBM laptop. Knoppix 5 would not boot on it, so we tried Knoppix 4 which didn't work either. Finally we tried Kanotix and that booted. Having alternatives is a Good Thing (tm) from the consumer's standpoint. *not* from a marketing standpoint, which is why Microsoft wants Linux dead.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7wow, what a complete *****
dude why dont you just propose to gates already and beg him to give you his hot love juices
you got your head so far up bill gate's ass that he can taste your pimple cream - mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5While BG speaks alot of BS, credit where its due. Microsoft's DirectX from what I have heard is superb for game design, knowing that this is the main lock in factor for many MS users this is obviously where they keep the select few of non micky mouse programmers at MS
- mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7aha, linux users are humourless and boring
"If you want to be pragmatic then you should use the operating system that came with your computer :)"
hahahahahahahahaha
no seriously your right that really had me in stitches - mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3apple are only doing marginally better than they have done in the past, while they may or may not have a bigger market share on the desktop than linux, apples progression is pitiful, more like treading water.
btw out of interest, how many people have played with microsoft networking for hours entering the same information again and again only to get it working the 30th time with the same information you entered the first time? - XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Why do you people digg drag down? It's the truth, I saw that linux is second place in embedded devices, after Symbian (And I did research on that for some purposes, do your own research). Some examples are just the recent PS3, if you use a PS3, you can almost say that you use Linux because there is official support for linux, but not for windows.
It's only the truth that Microsoft holds an unfair monopoly on Windows. People don't understand that it's still against the law to hold such a great monopoly on everything.
This truly is the year of linux :D (I switched on March to ubuntu, now using Arch) - mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ Int wtf are you doing replying to the first comment, didn't want your comment appearing bottom of the list?.... ***** right off
- mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@brundlefly, no Suse has a long way to go... and again why the first thread?
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@bqbs - you are either confused or don't read very well. The comment by tomarocco was quite clear and you have managed to completey misinterpret what he wrote.
- Iandefor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Can anyone answer me a quick question?
What's the impetus to see Linux get used more on the desktop?
Don't get me wrong; Linux is a joy to use (I administrate a small network of OS X and Windows machines... if I had my way, they'd all be running Linux) both as a server and as a desktop, but I don't really understand why there's such a focus on increasing its desktop market share.
Any thoughts? - tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I say let the crack continue. I have one foot on the FSF side of the gap and one foot on the "proprietary compatibility" side. I've learned to stretch and not keep a rigid point of view. A lot of the FSF zealots make me want to puke, and of course I hate Microsoft even though I use their products daily without a lot of problems (usually). I've been a hardcore Linux user since '97, but the biggest PITA has been compatibility. I've tried 86ing Microsoft completely from my life, but it is an impossible pipe dream if you do business on this planet. "Shut up and embrace the diversity!!!" I would say if I had to choose one side of the gap over the other. I can already hear the pinko commie fags squirming.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Linux was already well along on its way from being the tech fanboy operating system of choice"
I didn't know an industry could have fanboys. I guess i'm a retail fanboy, eh? - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@b7illsmith - I recently clean installed Linux over XP on a new Acer, dual booted with XP on a year old Gateway and am keeping XP on this Toshiba. That is pragmatism illustrated. But I get the joke. :)
@mickstephenson - I have learned that many of the most interesting comments are posted far down in the thread and pay little attention to irrelevant OP replies.
And I usually try to wait for someone else to start comments to new submissions then respond to their keen (or ridiculous) observations. But sometimes you just need to get the ball rolling.... - rmerrick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6>>If you want to be pragmatic then you should use the operating system that came with your computer :)
I reloaded Windows XP after having Linux on my system for a year. Excel spreadsheets from work, my software collection, iffy drivers, etc.. I finally had enough. I went back to Windows because it was practical for me. Pragmatism is about practicality even if you do not like the answer. - drag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes.
The way it works is that you use Free and open source software whenever you can.
Unfortunately if you need high performance 3d graphics the only choice is Nvidia.
And that is just the way it goes. If you need it, you need it.
But don't badmouth the 'FSF'. You obviously don't understand the massive assit they are for the open source and free software community. They provide the licensing that makes Linux possible. They, along with the gnu folks, maintain and produce the software that everything (and when I say everything, I mean 99.9%) you run on Linux depends on, even closed source software. For the sake of developers they provide much legal console and absorb much of the costs revolving around developing open source software for many individuals. - Kragnerac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They forgot XGL and Compiz, the two products that changed the way people thought about Linux in terms of the Graphical User Interface.
- dollyknot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft gives you nothing,
it is a parasite. - cuemkid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Irregardless OSes will be generic some day. It's the nature of software. Stuff that was a big deal years ago, nobody gives a ***** about. People used to go out and pay 300 dollars for a text editor. Who would do that now? People would go and spend hundreds on compilers and linkers and other software development tools. This is the same stuff that now Borland, GNU folks, and Microsoft bundle with more complex products and give away.
My web: http://www.onboom.com/ http://www.download.onboom.com/ http://www.onboom.com/downloads/ http://www.duc-anh.com/ , and more... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's a pretty bigoted article, denouncing anyone who disagrees with the author as "idealists" who "want to pepper the next GPL with anti-DRM clauses". Aniti-DRM isn't just about principle you know, it's about freedom, liberty and not getting ripped off by content owners who would like to rent us music & movies instead of selling them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mvent2, that was a good response, but a complete waste of your time of your trying to talk sense in to that idiot.
the guy obviously knows absolultely nothing about linux and is just to damn stupid to learn
all he can do is make statements like 'MS is better because its better!', amazing ;)
what a genius :) - dollyknot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In some ways linux and windoze are much more alike than people think, the only real difference between the two, is with windoze the source code is kept a secret for selfish reasons, not for the good of the human race.
The saddest thing is, when Microsoft released win95 if they had also have released the source code, windose would have evolved into the best OS you could have imagined.
Ok Gates might be the richest punk on the planet, but he is hated by millions and he would hated by millions more, if Joe Public understood what source code actually was.
We do not yet understand how our brains work in terms of consciousness. It is possible that consciousness is a form of computation IE built on a framework of boolean algebra. It is notable that when George Boole came up boolean algebra, he stated that he had discovered the laws of thought. If Boole turns out to be correct, then it makes it all the more immoral, not have released the source code to the predominant OS on the planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_boole
I suspect that the people who support closed source operating systems, would also have supported slavery, with the caveat of instead of being about owning your body, they own your thoughts. N.B. you do not own windoze you buy the right to use it. It is not your windoze, it belongs to micro$oft. - mtthwmiddleton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"In short, if it came down to a choice between keeping the community happy or making business customers happy, well, Novell knows who pays the bills."
Does this strike anyone else as nonsense, I mean, yea business customers pay the bills, but ummm....the community makes the product that they're selling!! You can't please just one side or you aren't getting money! - pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@bgbs
Perhaps a new user would be best off learning more about the system before installing software which is still gestating. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Drag, out of curiosity, side from that top500 site do you have ANY sources ?
- drag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Both of you completely misunderstand what is going on with the 'Anti-DRM' stuff.
At least as far as the GPLv3 license goes.
The Anti-DRM clauses in the GPL draft license is intended to stop people from using hardware to prevent people from modifying programs and running those modified programs. It's not designed to prevent people from using GPL'd software to play back DRM, or to elliminate support for DRM'd music or videos on linux or anything like that. It's not even designed to stop people from using GPL'd software to _create_ DRM.
It's very narrow in scope. It just says that you need to be allowed to modify and run the modified software on the hardware.
The biggest example is 'Tivo' because that is what everybody knows, but there are quite a few other companies that are doing it.. What they are doing is putting it into the hardware to run checksums on binaries before it is executed. In effect if you modify the software, of which most is GPL'd, then the machine refuses to run it.
This sort of thing will have no impact what-so-ever on 99% of users, developers, and companies that work on, support, and use GPL'd software. There is a group of people that have contributed code to the kernel specificly because they know they can make money by eliminating your ability to modify the programs they are trying to sell you. From the kernel developer's perspective this is bad since if they switch to GPLv3 they are 'changing the rules' and are violating good faith of people that have contributed code.
The counter argument is that what TiVO and others are doing is already technically illegal according to the existing GPLv2 license. One of the four main aims of the GPL is to have it so people are allowed to modify the software they purchase or download, and obviously having your machine refusing to run modified software is a against the license. But the law is not black and white, and this is the sort of thing that would be let slid if you ever went to court.
But there is nothing in the GPLv3 that says anything about media or content or anything like that. It's based entirely on copyright and it is not the goal nor is it a legal possibility to force other people to remove restrictions on their own copyrighted material.. It only concerns itself with the copyrights of programmers and preserving the desire of those programmers to provide software that honors the freedom of their end users.
You could just as easily write a propriatory program to run and link to LGPL programs and impliment DRM that way. Or you could use GPLv3 software to control a hardware interface that starts and stops playback of a DRM'd blueray movie or something like that.
you could modify a GPLv3 program to then automaticly re-encode every peice of media you find on your harddrive and put DRM restrictions on it if you upload it to a friend, like what Microsoft does with songs you put on a Zune. Of course since you, as a end user, can then get the source code and modify the program to do that then it's probably not going to be very effective. But ironicly Sun is trying to develop a DRM implimentation that will work irregardless of weither a person modifies a program or not, and that would be legal under the GPLv3 if you want to modify existing programs to use it.
Also it's worth noting that GPL only kicks-in when you redistribute other people's GPL'd software. If it's your own software you wrote that doesn't use any GPL'd code, or if your a end user who downloaded the program then your 100% and completely free to do with the software as you please. End users are under no restrictions at all, you can treat it as if it was under the public domain. GPL only cares when you try to redistribute (either through giving it away or selling it) other programmer's code.
For example MySQL corporation has all the copyrights to the source code for MySQL database. So they sell it as a propriatory product to people hat want to buy it, but they have a GPL'd version for people who want to use it for Free software. - mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2then tell me, what articles should be at the front page of digg, because I believe it should be the ones with the biggest response.
are you upset because your not part of the popular crowd anymore? - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Articles about the current state of Linux appearing on the front page of the Linux zone. Yeah that's really weird......
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Oh not OSx please, enough of OS x propaganda. Linux and OSx are from the same activists offspring.
Im not sure where the decendents come from, but maybe I should look into the history of radical OS propagandists.
...well we know where M$ came from. Average kid became rich by being a compassionately cheritable person, and as a result God gave him wealth. - aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mickstephenson: I'm afraid that you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. You are confusing two things. Profitability and market share are not the same thing. In fact, many companies give up profitability in the pursuit of marketshare. Apple is not interested in losing their profitability. As long as they remain profitable and maintain their market share in some key markets, companies such as Adobe will continue to produce software for the platform. Where is Photoshop for linux? It does not exist because of cultural and market share reasons. There are very few linux users in graphics fields and those that do exist hate commercial software for some reason so they would never be interested in paying for software in the first place.
If Apple had a drop in sales, then they would be treading water. You also do not seem to be aware that market share is not the same thing as units sold. It only represents the percentage of the total market which is an irrelevant number to companies like Adobe. What Adobe cares about is the "number" of units sold to the graphics niche because they can use that to gauge how many sales they should expect to receive.
I would hardly call approaching the third spot in the US market as pitiful. - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@nqsayjoe- There is already a very active Mac/Apple zone. And the Security zone is mostly Windows related (hmmm... I wonder why??). Plus much of the Software zone and other categories which are full of Windows references and apps and hardware etc. Windows related stuff is found wherever Diggers submit it.
But I agree there should be a Microsoft category. Then you could complain about all the Linux trolls that post in your precious zone.....like you post in our zone. - cuemkid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1As far as SGI + SCO + Sun vs Linux... Your going to have to look it up yourself, it's not the sort of thing that pops up in news.
SGI is mostly dead. they haven't released a up date for it and are going to start cutting customer support soon. Their top of the line computers... a 512-way Itanium machine runs Linux.
SCO is obviously dead, everybody is running away that can run away.
Sun is still a big deal, but they have been forced to open source their OS, which is something that nobody would of dreamed off 5 years ago. It was THE OS of choice to run databases on for medium-sized arenas. It's still popular though. Since Sun is being smart about the source code and openness then they are probably going to keep their share in the long run.
Mysite:
http://www.onboom.com/ http://www.download.onboom.com/ http://www.onboom.com/downloads/ http://www.duc-anh.com/ - mikeod, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It became successful in data centers amoung big business. For the next 10 years you guys will be saying "for it to become successful on the desktop...."
- zielgruppe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1in reply to Pulz4r
The old story again.. You expect from linux to be like Windows. But that's not the case. So just stick to Windows. Please! - ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about Digg add a new category called Windows/Mac, it's not fair since there is Linux/Unix now. *Sigh* Kevin Rose must be another Linux fanboy ... Fortunately majority of Digg users don't represent the mainstream computer users
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7"I think, however, that if the Linux desktop is to ever have a future as more than a niche desktop operating system, Freespire is pointing the way."
I have to agree...If Linux ever wants to play with the big boys,it has to make some changes.
Of course,I'm well aware a lot of folks don't want this to ever happen.
- ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2First you expect software to be free, now you're expecting music, movies to be free too. What else you want? You want your underwear, shoes, to be free too? Yeah, open-underwear sounds good ...
- JrGhoull, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i was expecting more about the various companies switching to linux and how its affected them...not a whole bit about microsoft and novell. the writer did bring up an interesting point though. Microsoft is all about closed sourced software and drivers and what not while linux is all about open source. perhaps we should divert our attention to the middle path (doaism philosophy i believe) and try and figure out the perfect combo between closed sourced and open sourced software.
- ngsayjoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"While these were the major Linux stories of 2006, as I look back at the year as a whole, I sense that all this plays into a larger story: there are growing signs that the Linux community itself is forking."
Didn't I already warn about this here:
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/There_are_more_Linux_distros_than_Linux_software
Sad ... Now, there's civil war :P - Beanseh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2wow bgbs is clearly quite inteligent even if he is lacking the basic reasoning skill required to see another persons side of an argument witch makes it totaly pointless for any one to even bother to try to explane it to him do i like i do with my family just go to your "happy place" where you see your self killing them over and over for all the stupid things they say ( not that what he has said is stupid some if not most of it has been quite rashanal ) with this kind of ppl its pointless they are the sort of people that think voteing for bush will elect the oposition
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