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- knopper92, on 10/08/2009, -2/+39"Linux on Playstation"
Thanks to Sony, you can't do that anymore. - king_aaronj, on 10/08/2009, -1/+26You'd be surprised at how many people really do care. Educate yourself before you say random crap and make a fool of yourself.
- buddyw, on 10/08/2009, -1/+21Let me help you with that:
http://imgur.com/FgyNV.png - ylikone, on 10/08/2009, -4/+21What developments has Microsoft achieved since XP? Well, lets see..
1. GUI looks prettier... we've almost caught up to Macs
2. Stability.. we've almost caught up to Linux and Macs
what else? - buddyw, on 10/08/2009, -2/+18Be honest, have you installed anything in linux recently? With repositories present in most modern distributions installation is ridiculously easy.
Not that the old way was that hard, people are just afraid of text.
I will stop feeding trolls now... - Swivelstick, on 10/08/2009, -0/+12Yet you use digg
- inactive, on 10/08/2009, -0/+12A lot of people care. There's a whole world of computing out there beyond Call of Duty and Redtube, you know.
- lexbaby, on 10/08/2009, -0/+12Missing from the list: Popularity of Linux on mobile phones.
- ylikone, on 10/08/2009, -0/+11What is there and supported in the main repositories on all distro's works very well and is super easy to install, usually with a click or two of the mouse. Some hardware drivers don't work... because some ***** hardware makers still refuse to release good drivers (or any drivers) leaving the community to reverse engineer crap into place.
I mean, really you farking hardware companies, is it THAT difficult or costly to compile a version of your Windows driver for Linux? You don't need to make one for every different distro out there.. just keep up to date with the latest stable linux kernel version.. let individual distro's figure out their own compatibility issues. Nvidia does it fine. - BroWren, on 10/08/2009, -0/+10Sony removed hardware from the slim PS3 that made it possible to run Linux. There were more people who wanted a cheaper PS3 than wanted a PS3 that could run Linux, so they went with the larger group.
- theonlywizdum, on 10/08/2009, -1/+11Check the ATI website....
- il128, on 10/08/2009, -0/+10Been running Ubuntu for two years now and I do not know what you're are talking about. I've just handed install disks to friends and they've run it on their computers with zero problems off the CD!
Try that with Windows 7, Vista, XP, Millennium, 2000, 98, 95 or 3.1 and all the other versions I've missed. If Linux had, had the kind of development funding and time Windows has had, just think how much better off we'd ALL be. - falstaff, on 10/08/2009, -1/+11See, I don't get how this is even legal. Nintendo is doing the same thing trying to eradicate the Homebrew channel.
If Microsoft (or Apple) included in one of its critical windows updates a 'utility' that deleted any software than competes with a MS product, they'd be sued to oblivion. Why, then, are console manufacturers allowed to distribute "required" updates that remove files and features that the user has installed?
The courts recently affirmed the Right of First Sale (with regards to an AutoCAD license that was resold against AutoCAD's wishes) for software, which is not an exact equivalent, but it does state that license agreements are not absolute. I don't see how any reasonable judge could tell people that a piece of hardware (whether electronic or not) can only be used according to the wishes of the manufacturer.
Sony and Nintendo (and even MS going after modchippers) seem to think that, say, Ford has the right to disable your power sunroof, or CD player if they don't like the way you use it.
Ridiculous. - Smilodon, on 10/08/2009, -1/+10Public image - Microsoft is seen as big unethical monoplistic company that has to hire astroturfers to say good things about them on public forums, whereas linux and mac users will do it out of conviction.
Security - Microsfot has been, is and always will be a joke when it comes to security. Best thing is, MS has been caught spying on its own users with Office 97. They're probably still spying on their users, just covering their tracks better.
Treating users as thieves - Vista checks for protected content before playing it. While I'm OK with protecting IP in general, I don't want my computer to act as my own police officer.
Overbloatedness - Waaaay ahead of Linux or Mac, you win this one hands down. Let's not get started on hardware requirements. - buddyw, on 10/08/2009, -0/+9http://imgur.com/FgyNV.png
- archiesteel, on 10/08/2009, -0/+7I'm also using Ubuntu, and have a yet to have a *single* system crash on my Mini 10v. I've had a couple of applications crash these past few weeks, but that's because I'm running Karmic Koala, which just came out of Alpha and into Beta.
Ubuntu is *very* stable. - buddyw, on 10/08/2009, -0/+6ATI is coming around since AMD bought them. It was bad before, but that was 100% ATI's fault. The linux community busted ass to reverse engineer old boards when ATI was being uncooperative.
- archiesteel, on 10/08/2009, -1/+6Android uses the Linux kernel, therefore it's Linux.
- archiesteel, on 10/08/2009, -0/+5Android *is* Linux. It is not a "virtual machine," it uses the Linux kernel and you can run Android apps on other Linux systems (as long as you have the right libraries installed).
- archiesteel, on 10/08/2009, -0/+5"think about the difficulty of installing things on Linux"
Go to Menu, select "Ubuntu Software Center", browse the apps (with description and screenshots for most), click on "Install." Repeat as necessary.
Installing software is *easier* on Ubuntu than it is on Windows... - archiesteel, on 10/08/2009, -0/+5Indeed, Windows has progressed, I think ylikone's jab was a little unfair.
I just wanted to note that Linux users and dev don't hate mono at all, but rather were (and in some case still are) wary of potential patent-related problems with it. - il128, on 10/08/2009, -1/+5I have no idea why Sony refuses to work with and for their customers... They've been acting like we are the enemy for decades now. From rootkits to making the PS less fun.
- lexbaby, on 10/08/2009, -0/+4Ding, ding, ding, Lucid. This is WHY they're using Linux. In other words, Linux as value in the marketplace for developers, vendors, and therefore consumers.
- Chakat, on 10/09/2009, -0/+4@Lucid00:
As has been said elsewhere, completely and utterly wrong. Android allows for native code and native libraries, and is dependent on the Linux kernel and userland. Running it without Linux would be a very large undertaking. - Narishma, on 10/08/2009, -0/+4They actually did exactly what you are asking them to. They listened to their (potential) customers and the majority of them wanted a cheaper PS3 so they did that by removing the Other OS option, among other things. The ones who are interested in running Linux on it unfortunately are a minority. You can't please everyone so you may as well please the ones who will make you more money (by buying games).
- archiesteel, on 10/08/2009, -0/+3Well, obviously YMMV, but I haven't had to fiddle with wireless since Jaunty, and did not have to fiddle sound settings with Karmic (Pulseaudio has been streamlined and actually works out of the box).
The Network Manager bug also seems to have been fixed. Mind you, those aren't stability problems as much as functionality issues...
Seriously, I have had *zero* issues with Karmic on my Mini 10v, other than a couple of apps crashing. For a Beta release, that's what I call stable! - Chakat, on 10/08/2009, -0/+3IBM pretty much invented virtualization. If you've got a big IBM box in the corner, you're most likely running several operating systems on it already. Having a few Linux instances on it pretty much costs you nothing at that point.
- ATL, on 10/08/2009, -0/+3completely taken out of context, Speedy7... he was simply asking if you installed anything, not saying that ANYTHING is easy and available
- archiesteel, on 10/08/2009, -0/+3@Speedy7: how did you try to install them? Is your card still supported by ATI's catalyst (they dropped a couple of cards recently).
That said, the open-source driver have come a long way, offering decent 3D and great 2D performance.
In any case, you seemed to be confusing two different issues, here: ease of installing software, and whether ATI still support certain cards with their proprietary drivers. Please try to remain consistent in your criticism - moving goalposts doesn't help. - Chakat, on 10/08/2009, -0/+3@Lucid00
It's a lot more than just making the OS easy to develop. The underlying libraries and OS calls are visible to developers, and are used in several applications, such as the doom port. A purely sandboxed environment would be slow as hell and uninteresting to a number of developers. - Chakat, on 10/08/2009, -0/+3I think the growing number of Android users would disagree with you saying that Linux is unsuitable for the general public. Linux is much, much more flexible than windows, and is finding its way onto a growing number of consumer devices. Because MS pushed so many technologies into the Windows Kernel, they're having a harder and harder time shrinking down to meet the needs of mobile users and growing to meet the needs of large enterprise users. Windows may still rule the desktop for a while, but in a lot of ways, the desktop is increasingly obsolete.
- Turious, on 10/08/2009, -1/+3***** my Radeon x1650 for being "legacy". Guess I don't get pretty graphics if I don't have a card from the last two years.
- dilfo, on 10/08/2009, -1/+3good info given
- archiesteel, on 10/09/2009, -0/+2Lucid00: the Dalvik VM is a Java virtual machine used by the Android OS, but Android itself isn't a VM. It's an actual operating system running on the Linux kernel.
- archiesteel, on 10/09/2009, -0/+2So it's not a GNU/Linux OS - it's still Linux (i.e. the kernel).
Anyway, this argument has degenerated into semantics. Let's agree to disagree and move on. - fuzzynyanko, on 10/08/2009, -0/+2#8 is gone with the slim. Even though most gamers won't use it, it would still be fun for coders to mess around it.
- archiesteel, on 10/09/2009, -0/+2Actually, the fact that Samba and Wine were reverse-engineered does give them some sort of protection, as they were developed without having access to the Windows API and SMB code. Only the DMCA could *potentially* be used to sue these teams, and so far jurisprudence seems to indicate such challenges would meet a swift death in front of a judge.
The (perceived) danger with Mono is that the code is licensed by Microsoft, who could at any moment decide to relicense it and thus deprive Linux-base OSes of some key components (should they become part of a distribution's core).
I do think these fears are exaggerated, then again Microsoft has proved time and time again they can play dirty when their bottom line is threatened... - 0tis, on 10/08/2009, -0/+2It's good to hear they fixed those. I'm looking forward to backing everything up and doing a clean install of Karmic soon :D
Might even get the beta, I've not had too much trouble with them before. - gaymathman, on 10/11/2009, -0/+2@ archiesteel, Mono is now supported by Microsoft's legal people. They have a vested interest in .net on Linux; MS wants .net and Silverlight to (deservedly) help kill off the scourge that is Adobe flash, sell Visual Studio, and potentially gain a few Windows installations for .net projects. As such, they now agree to not sue anyone who uses it, implements it, or does anything with it.
http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-e ...
They even are helping in the development of Moonlight (Silverlight for Linux), which already sucks less than Flash for me on 64 bit Linux, although that's like saying Bush was better than Buchanan. Moonlight is also 100% safe from patent infringement claims if you just use it because it is developed by Novel and MS. - knobbysideup, on 10/08/2009, -0/+2Yeah, real difficult to open synaptic, pick what you want, and tell it to install. Windoze wishes it were that simple.
- ptFoe, on 10/08/2009, -1/+3looking at the comments, just another indication of the rise of the ignorant American on digg
- nabe, on 10/09/2009, -0/+2Yes, but Samba could potentially have some of these problems, but somehow they get a free pass.
Same with Wine (and many other projects); you never hear people complaining about potential patent problems with Wine, at least never to the same level of paranoia like they do with Mono. And the ironic thing here is that in the case of Mono, many .NET technologies were standarized by MS voluntarily, like the CLR or C#, while Wine comes from reverse engineering many APIs that were never open in any way.
From my part, I think Linux needs Mono, just as much as Samba or Wine.. not only because it helps its adoption, but because it is a very good piece of technology. - noisymime, on 10/08/2009, -0/+2If you're comparing virtualisation on a Z series machine to KVM or vmware you how NO idea about what these machines are capable off. KVM and vmware are great, but they aren't even in the same league as a box designed to do the job.
- gaymathman, on 10/11/2009, -0/+1To many of the commentors here, Linux does have a similar level of funding as MS Windows. IBM (big one here), Novell, Red Hat, Canocinal are companies that massively support Linux, with IBM commiting close to 10% of all Linux kernel changes! Most of these companies develop the kernel and a few libraries, so they are polished to an astounding shine; largely because of IBM's contributions, Linux is basically the ONLY choice for a supercomputer. That being said, the applications in Linux are far less stable than their Windows counterparts. Amarok and certian parts of KDE come to mind in my experience, as well as a pdftex install on a system I sshed into to work crapping out for no apparent reason. If the poster one level up was implying that Linux, being the kernel and related components, is less stable than Windows, it is sorely mistaken; both Linux and Windows are extremely stable. A whole Linux distribution will tend to give the impression that is less stable than a similar Windows installation, as some components will crash on a fairly regular basis, although the core system itself is just as stable.
- hockeyfighter09, on 10/09/2009, -0/+1@archiesteel
Are you running regular Ubuntu or Ubuntu Netbook Remix on your mini 10v? - 0tis, on 10/13/2009, -0/+1An update to anyone still checking this thread: the Karmic beta ***** my computer right over :)
I had to reinstall everything. - fuzzynyanko, on 10/08/2009, -0/+1I wonder if they found out if there was an exploit that dealt with Linux. However, Linux support shouldn't have been that taxing on the console
- Ranguvar, on 10/11/2009, -0/+1They're missing package management.
- gaymathman, on 10/11/2009, -0/+1Installing something that is in one's distro's package management system is typically quite easy. Installing something else tends to be nightmarish (dependencies on a 64 bit system can be a real bitch), although the average user will NEVER need to do so. Distros oftentimes do not include proprietary codec support, although in my experience Ubuntu is quite good at getting great codecs for the gstreamer backend. You can argue for VLC, but its interpolation looks like a botched example in a numerical analysis text (it sucks).
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