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The Piratebay Returned To Its Base

torrentfreak.com — After a short stay in The Netherlands the torrent tracker moved back to their provider PRQ in Sweden. The “reverse DNS” sends out a clear message to the MPAA and their friends: hey.mpaa.and.apb.bite.my.shiny.metal.ass.thepiratebay.org.

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  • quickpot, on 10/12/2007, -7/+86good for them :)
    • sillygates, on 10/12/2007, -40/+9nice
    • spectre, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Re-SPECT, baby. That's how it's done!

      That said, while I'm glad they're back home, I won't be logging on again. I mean seriously, the fed's are watching them like flies on ***** and I'd prefer not to have my IP show up on a federal watch list. Again.
    • bonchbonchbonch, on 10/12/2007, -33/+53I know this risks getting me marked down, but I'm the kind of guy who believes in challenging entrenched belief systems.

      The Digg position appears to be:

      * Piracy--aka, taking copyrighted material with the artists' permission--is great in every way. ***** paying artists for their work. Anyone trying to protect their intellectual property rights by shutting down piracy services is evil.

      * Eric Bauman of Ebaumsworld takes copyrighted material without the artists' permission, and this is...wrong! He should be shut down via the DMCA, and up with artist rights! How dare someone take an artist's work without his or her permission and without paying them a dime.

      Does anyone else see the total self-serving contradiction here? It really illustrates the fact that a lot of pro-piracy viewpoints are formed solely on the basis that the person wants to get ***** for free without having to pay for it. That's simple freeloading. At least think through your belief systems before you adopt one.
    • dkm201, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4Agreed... what can you say. People are selfish and self-righteous. The corporations aren't something people can put a face on so they can rationalize that it's not actually taking anything from 'a person'...
    • shredomatic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+69@bonchbonchbonch:

      Piratebay doesn't watermark other people's work and try to pass it off as their own while giving no credit to the original creator, all the while making money off of it. That is why eBaum is a piece of *****.
    • brandizzle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Personally I believe the artist should be compensated. If I could donate to the artist DIRECTLY I would. Probably for even more than the cost of the CD.

      Since I can't do that I would rather go to their concerts, buy their merch etc since they get more money from that.

      My view is this: Most artists recognize that CDs are just a form of advertising, and some even encourage downloading. The people that are losing money from it are the people that don't deserve the money to begin with.

      But just download from iTunes. It's 99 cents.
    • UnknownCzar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8The way people look at piracy is that when downloading some popular song or a popular movie, you're "stealing" from some rich millionaires and the corporation they works for. Hence, "stealing" one song from them doesn't really harm them and their million dollar fortunes.

      On the other hand, the artists who make the stuff the ebuam "steals" are not millionaires, they are normal folks that the pirates can view not as symbols but as people. "Stealing" from people is wrong in almost any ones eyes. "Stealing" from a symbol, like a millionaire or a corporation, doesn't seem that bad to most people.
    • Bakagamer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You fail to note that this is in fact, a personal case for ebaumsworld.com's authors of "original content" who don't see a dime from their flash movie they make while in the *AA's case, it's a bunch of lawyers who sue the ***** out of everything that has the possibility of 'infringing copyright'.
    • critic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1spectre - "I'd prefer not to have my IP show up on a federal watch list. Again."

      I have mixed feelings about that. Part of me sez, their watching you, the other part sez *****-em, let's draw them out and see just how far this whole NSA crap has gone.

      I use to test network security by seeking il legal files. No il legal files...network not worth trusting. Case in point EarthStation 5 vs Kazza.

      Whatever
    • mgreenwald, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5bonchbonchbonch,

      You're a towel, really.

      Dude I'll be the first to admit I don't care what you think. It would be an excellent point if it mattered. FREE HAT!
    • burningmonk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2bonchbonchbonch, here is the thing. The people who copy things via BT do not turn around and make money off of them (I know some do, but they are pricks). Ebaum takes stuff and then puts it on his ad laden site, essentially using it as content to make money. That's why he is a scumbag and the pirate bay are righteous freedom fighters (just being facetious, but you get the point).
    • hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My position is: This is war and a lot of things are acceptable during a war that isn't during peacetime. However, profiteering is a bad thing.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profiteering

      What was the name of the pirate that was knighted by the queen of England?
  • Electrox3d, on 10/12/2007, -6/+58I do believe Huzzah's are in order... Huzzah!
  • strangerzero, on 10/12/2007, -129/+32Piratebay will be closed down sooner or later. It's only a matter of time. Okay, I've said it click the thumbs down icon above.
    • szelij, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39He's prolly right. Content distribution will CONTINUE to evolve and BT won't always be the most efficient means to distribute content. When that happens and the number of BT users drops, TPB should switch over to the new medium.
    • retral, on 10/12/2007, -4/+48They just had the biggest antipiracy campaign in the world go after - they recovered fully within about a week.. I think they're here to stay.
    • kwilliam71, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40Rhetorical statement: and some day the Earth will collide with the sun, that doesn't mean we should stop enjoying life.
    • twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15ThePirateBay will close down sooner or later, but The Pirate Party is here to stay. Odds are that once Bittorrent is dead, they will have another site up for the new medium
    • jaderobbins, on 10/12/2007, -22/+3sweeden could reform thier copyright laws, who knows.
    • millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Swedish copyright law doesn't affect American IP, though.
    • invader, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11it's not a matter of where the IP is owned... it's the wording of their law.

      they could change it from 'distributing' to 'facilitating' (like most other countries have already done)
  • jagg, on 10/12/2007, -65/+55I don't get it. What does this have to do with Apple?
    • Virak, on 10/12/2007, -21/+25Err, it doesn't say apple anywhere.
    • Bradl3y, on 10/12/2007, -28/+11The real question is, is this AMAZING?
    • drathosX3, on 10/12/2007, -25/+7Dude! Cut down on whatever you're smoking...
    • goat4, on 10/12/2007, -41/+15roflmao!

      digg him up, the satire for this gay ass fanboy site is so true
    • dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -18/+10I admit I didn't get it right away. Great satire.
    • psyon, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2I though he was questioning why there were Google ads for Macs on the top of the page. Google ads are contextual ads.
    • m1ss1ontomars, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2aw man i feel dumb

      i don't get the satire. actually, i sorta do, but i'm sure i'm not quite right...
    • SkyFire360, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16"What does it have to do with Apple?"

      No, silly, didn't you read the title? Anything with Wii will get dugg int-... ... ... wait, not Wii either?

      // I got the joke :P
  • javierror, on 10/12/2007, -6/+78This article is rated ARRRRR
    • 66np66ip, on 10/12/2007, -11/+27CAN'T...

      RESIST...

      "All ARRR base ARRR belong to us!!"
    • Swampthing, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Your rapid desire to use a played out pun outweighs your common sense, javierror. Articles aren't rated! Now if you would like to ARRRGue the point, let me know. :)
  • mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -17/+12i LOOOOOVE the bite.my.ass DNS thing.
  • Menthol, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3Glad to see them back and hopefully the officials in Sweden will think again b4 they just blindly obey orders.
  • Jakelshark, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33w00t, Futurama!

    Bender Bending Rodriguez rocks my thirty century
  • Frieked, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23+1 for the Futurama reference :)
  • benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Bender and the pirate bay would create an unstoppable force.
    • EricAnderton, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25That's it!

      I'm going to start my own pirate website... with hookers, and blackjack!

      In fact, forget the piracy!

      Eh... forget the whole thing.
  • MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -20/+1ROFL! :)
  • qwertguk, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3Nice- back up in a week.
  • snapcase, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6Great news. Wonder if the MPAA/APB will take another shot at them.
  • drathosX3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I, for one, love pirate bay and anything to do with BT... I find it 'unique' that pirate bay has so many fans.. not surprising really, seeing as how good they are... anyways, peace to the pirate bay crew....
  • Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bender_%28Futurama%29

    * "Bite my glorious golden ass!" (said by a golden Bender during "The Farnsworth Parabox")
    * "Bite my red hot glowing ass!" (said by Bender during "When Aliens Attack" just before he realises his rear end is on fire)
    * "The modern world can bite my splintery wooden ass!" (said by a wooden Bender during "Obsoletely Fabulous")
    * "Bite my colossal metal ass!" (said by a giant Bender during "Anthology of Interest I")
    * "Lick my frozen metal ass!" (said by Bender during "The Birdbot of Ice-Catraz")
    * "Bite my shiny metal-OH NOOOOO!!" (said by Bender when he realizes his crotch plate, and thus, his ass, was taken by the Robot Devil)
    • WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@tratten & Protonz: Do you see it as useful? We already know what it resolves to as it's stated above; unless it'll be different on my PC, there's no point to it. Do I need to ping -a 64.233.167.99 or 64.191.203.30 as well?
  • Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -17/+7ping -a 83.140.176.146
    • WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3We already know what the IP resolves to so why bother pinging (and DOS/Digging) The Pirate Bay?
    • tratten, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7@WiZZLa
      I don't think TPB will get DOSed if a couple of hundred people sends some pings.
      * ping -a 83.140.176.146 = 4 x 32bytes
      * visit thepiratebay.org = generates 6 request with 43Kb response
    • merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I believe you meant:

      dev$ nslookup 83.140.176.146
      Server: 68.94.156.1
      Address: 68.94.156.1#53

      Non-authoritative answer:
      146.176.140.83.in-addr.arpa canonical name = 146.128-25.176.140.83.in-addr.arpa.
      146.128-25.176.140.83.in-addr.arpa name = hey.mpaa.and.apb.bite.my.shiny.metal.ass.thepiratebay.org.
      dev$
    • Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Just to be clear, I wasn't implying anyone do a DOS attack. (Who on this forum would anyway?)
      Just meant to be a quick way to see 'hey.mpaa.and.apb.bite.my.shiny.metal.ass.thepiratebay.org' on your own PC.
      merreborn's method is even better.
  • jo42, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Nice to see someone doing a great big "Fork You!" to The Man.
    • strangerzero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, I remember when Napster did that.
  • DigDuality, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2awesome on the dns ..lol
  • rolotomasi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Ahh, so this is how the P2P wars of 2008-2021 started. Most interesting.

    /hops back into time machine
    • Prometheus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If this is how they started then why 2008? *checks calendar*
    • 15charmaxwtf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Welcome to 2008 Prometheus.
    • Junto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You didn't truly believe that it was 2006 did you?

      "Neo is told that the year is not 1999, but closer to 2199, and humanity is fighting a war against intelligent machines. After being denied their primary power source, the machines responded by enslaving human beings and using them as their source for infinite energy. It turns out that the world which Neo has inhabited since birth, the Matrix, is an illusory simulated reality construct of the world of 1999, developed by the machines to keep the human population docile whilst they are connected to generators and their energy is harvested."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix

      Lol :-)
  • KANSUO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Is it just me or has the selection of torrents at thepiratebay gone down sharply since they got shut down? If you browse torrents there's far fewer pages of torrents and I get considerably less results when I search.
  • millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Y'all are just too excited about getting back to illegal downloads, eh?
    • shuffle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23[counter-strike]Roger that.[/counter-strike]
    • willhoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15you bet your sweet ass we are
    • Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Not that we weren't ascertaining them from other sources while waiting for them to get back online.
    • Lut3s, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6IT"S BACK UP!?!?!?!?

      [counter-strike] X1 X1 X1 [/counter-strike]
  • m00kie, on 10/12/2007, -35/+7I like BT because I no longer have to pay for my entertainment needs. I remember buying DVDs and CDs, that was really cruel and unusual punishment. I deserve to get entertained for free, it's my right as a life loser who can't afford to pay for what I want when I want it. It's not my fault, though. There's just too much good stuff out there to fill my emptiness with that I really can't afford to pay for all of it.

    • invader, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18i bet you felt really cool typing that.. are you going to bring up Tool, now?
    • willhoy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4wow, is that on the money
    • m00kie, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5dudes don't worry, you have a right to get everything you want when you want and not have to pay for it. it's totally getting one over the man. and you should be applauded for it.

      so what did you acheive to get ahead in life and get one over the system: "well, I downloaded a whole bunch of movies and songs for free".

      Wow. Now that's something to be proud of.
    • invader, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7m00kie is why the **AA's still release their silly propaganda

      like most digg users, i thought nobody would be dumb enough to fall for one of those... well.. we were all wrong..
    • lj535i, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5m00kie, I think you are overlooking some valid points. As someone who owns over 400 music cds and 50+ movies on dvd I think I've done my part...

      The MPAA and RIAA are using questionable tactics to protect the revenue streams of companies employing outdated business models. This includes manipulating the legislative process to serve their own ends.

      Why did it take these industries so many years to adapt to new technology and customer preferences? Why should I have had to pay $18.99 or even $12.99 for disc with only two good songs on it? Why do these industries feel that it is better to sue customers and leverage law enforcement into protecting their outdated business models when they could adapt and give potential customers adequate incentive to purchase music legally?

      Because these industries haven't been doing the right thing all along, I feel that they deserve all the trouble that groups like Pirate Bay can give them. They shouldn't escape the consequences of their bad decisions, and I for one cheer when groups like PB give em the finger.
    • geekee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"m00kie, I think you are overlooking some valid points. As someone who owns over 400 music cds and 50 movies on dvd I think I've done my part...
      "

      Yeah, that what I tell shop owners when caught shoplifting. Hey, I normally pay for most of the stuff here. I've done my part.
    • pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@geekee
      Except when you take a CD, the shop owner doesn't have it anymore, etc., etc.
    • lj535i, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1geekee- the point is, why can't the recording industry shift to a strategy that gives an adequate incentive for doing the right thing instead of punishing potential customers for doing the wrong thing?

      Absolutist positions like "stealing is wrong, and it's wrong no matter what" while true in the strict sense don't help us get to a solution. We shouldn't need to have a Pirate Bay around to allow many to download music without paying, but it is a valid reaction to the hypocrisy and inflexibility of the industry.

      As for the "done my part" comment- this was to make it clear that the rules I play by include paying for what I listen to or watch, but apparently that was not clear enough for you.
    • Denelson83, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@lj535i
      >Why do these industries feel that it is better to sue customers and leverage law enforcement into protecting their outdated business models when they could adapt and give potential customers adequate incentive to purchase music legally?

      It's because the business model the RIAA and MPAA are using is basically allowing them to get something for nothing, and they don't know another way to get it. They don't want to do the hard work, like churn out something we'd actually like; they do stuff like have copyrights extended and sue people left and right just to get money for essentially "little or no work."

      Hmmm..... Sounds a little bit like the "Adscam" we had here in Canada about a year ago.

      Face it, the *AAs are living in the past; they deserve to get left behind.
  • wolver1ne, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12HA! I don't care if you thumb up or down.. but MPAA and US Gov are sucking knobs! So much fuss and yet they are back to where they began. Get a clue, anit-piracy organisations, you can't stop piracy! As long there's stuff to pirate, it will get pirated.
  • yoda715, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Thats awesome!

    Score:
    The Pirate Bay 2
    MPAA 0
    • compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I'm fairly sure MPAA has negative score now.
    • Lut3s, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6MPAA has an astronomically small number to the (negative)nth power.
    • Gordin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+41/(a really small number) = a really large number, so I don't agree with you. ;-)
    • GiggleStick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Lut3s.

      I don't know how good at math you are, but a value less than 1 (I assume that's what you mean by astronomically small, since 1 isn't astronomically small) to a negative power is greater than 1 because a negative power means 1 divided by that value to the ABS(n)th power. Do you see what I'm talking about. In fact the smaller the value, the larger the result, because the more times it goes in to 1.
  • astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Must have a fleet of redundant servers to be up that quick.

  • KJay, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Arrrrrrr you reaaady? I can't hearrrrrr you! Oh, who lives in Sweden Above the law! The pirate bay! Who thieves and plunders all day? The pirate bay! His torrents and links be something you wish! So hop on the ship and download like a fish!
    • Piper7865, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Best.... sea shanty ever.... The Sea Captian from the Simpsons would be proud
  • Dymphna, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8All that needs to be said is w00t and I laugh at the MPAA.

    Whether or not I ever used Piratebay, I laugh when the MPAA gets it's just rewards
    • aldenhg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm not sure that a pithy (and nerdy) insult is just rewards for screwing people out of their money with restrictive licensing schemes on crappy mechendise. Nor is it just rewards for tricking people in to constantly re-buying all the content they thought they owned when a new format comes out.
      Anal electrical shock sounds more fitting to me.
  • cannibal, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2http://www.uvm.edu/~glwillia/Music/Raffi%20-%20Bananaphone.mp3
    • jeshjohn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Why oh why?
    • z.unit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Because it's a phone with appeal
    • recursive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Despite the inane lyrics, these are some incredible musicians.
  • geekee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2From The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand.

    "Nothing is given to man on earth . Everything he needs has to be produced. And here man faces his basic alternative: he can survive in only one of two ways-- by the independent work of his own mind or as a parasite fed by minds of others. The creator originates. The parasite borrows. The creator faces nature alone. The parasite faces nature through an intermediary.

    "The creator's concern is the conquest of nature. The parasite's concern is the conquest of men.

    "The creator lives for his work. He needs no other men. His primary goal is within himself. The parasite lives second-hand. He needs others. Others become his prime motive.

    "The basic need of the creator is independence. The reasoning mind cannot work under any form of compulsion. It cannot be curbed, sacrificed or subordinated to any consideration whatsoever. It demands total independence in function and in motive. To a creator, all relations with men are secondary.

    "The basic need of the second-hander is to secure his ties with men in order to be fed. He places relations first. He declares that man exists in order to serve others. He preaches altruism."
    • recursive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Nothing is given to man on earth. Everything he needs has to be produced."
      I found some free berries growing by the side of the trail.

      Furthermore, I have never in my life met someone who meets the definition of being a "creator". They would have to live off the land from a handbuilt hut without using any modern products. Recording artists are certainly "parasites" since they require the talent of recording and mastering engineers, marketing and promotion people, managers, etc etc.

      I get the sense that you're accusing pirates of being parasites, but it's kind of empty.
    • poipoipoi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6wow, Ayn Rand. You must be at least 13.
    • pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"The creator lives for his work. He needs no other men."

      You heard it here folks! Artists *don't* need us to buy their music, because they are creators. The goal is to make music, not to get paid; they don't depend on us to support them.

      Moron.
    • dicroce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Ahh, the Fountainhead... I love that book...
      Somehow, I don't think Roark would be too fond of bt...
  • lagnut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tracker and .torrents are still hosted in .nl, probably just HTTPd and database hosted in .se
  • liquidedge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5These guys are *****' heroes.
  • pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Oops. Mod my up for catching my botched reply!
  • smartalecks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1the young generation of today uses limewire and bittorrent wildly. I estimate that in 30-50 years the US will be like Sweden (in that there are 2 sides) and in 80-100 years sharing files will be legal.
    • apflwr3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The people who are (probably) your parents age-- and that includes our president-- were pot smoking, draft-card burning, free-loving hippies. Now they're in power and America is the most conservative it's been since WW2. People change as they get older and get tastes of money and power, and I doubt this current generation will be any different.
  • dancrew32, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1thats pretty funny.
  • bioskope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1rapidshare or TPB, my mind is torn :D
  • DigDuality, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I make no moral or ethical claims to my piracy. I will say that the RIAA or MPAA wouldn't get anymore or anyless of my money if i didn't pirate though.

    I support the pirate bay, b/c i hate the RIAA and they're *****. I am more in support of indie music (which i pay for in full..and sometimes if i get it from the artist at a show.. i give a little extra), i'm more in support of a system where the RIAA as a middle man is gone. Same goes for the MPAA, b/c you know what? 90% of their films suck ass. The reason they cost so much is b/c of some whiney hollywood bitch actor thinks he's worth 90 million for a flick. Or b/c we need to do 1000 explosions b/c our movie has no substance, and make really lame jokes b/c the idiots of america fall for the comic relief gimmick everytime.. and better yet.. this is all in a remake or a sequel to a movie that should've been left alone.

    Meanwhile, there's some really great indie films out there that have gotten the same amount of attention as the MPAA, and i happily go out and buy their dvd's. #1, b/c they're not absolute *****, and #2, b/c they're not affiliated with the MPAA.

    So if my choice is between the RIAA/MPAA and the pirates? Guess what side i'm on?

    People will always get ***** for free, no matter the technology. People used to pass down songs from generation to generation way before recorded data, people used pass around mixtapes and record songs off the radio, and make back ups of vhs cassettes. So what? the industry really didn't "hurt" then. and it's blaming it's fallen sales do to the smaller and smaller roster of complete disposable trash, all on Pirating? *****.

    They declared war on their consumer base. I say, give them a war they won't forget.
    • RawIntellect, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yea i somewhat agree with digduality views on things but watch how you talk about those idiot Americans I'm sure where alot better off then where your standing you don't like the movies but yet you continue to watch must not be that bad
      ya dig
  • catfive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The Piratebay Returned To Its Base..."

    So, really, what you are saying is, "all it's base are belong to them?"
  • georgegad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@bonchbonchbonch
    It really illustrates the fact that a lot of pro-piracy viewpoints are formed solely on the basis that the person wants to get ***** for free without having to pay for it. That's simple freeloading.


    For the record I marked you up, cant begrudge a man his beliefs.
    I think you are seeing two different sets of people, some people stand up for the right thing, others just say they do because they see some small gain.
    Personally I could be seen on both sides of that fence.
    Some of the things companies would try to get away with if you let them could be seen as human rights violations, and I cant back money over people.
    And, I guess, I could be seen as a freeloader. But in my defense, i have spent a small fortune in the past on poor quality products, and i straight-out-refuse to be taken in again. Its not that i don't want to or cant pay, i have chosen to invest that same money into a higher download capacity.
    This customer is always right.
    If you want my money in the future you will provide free, full, no-spyware, no-adware product directly to me, with no strings attached. I will use this product as long as i see fit, and when i feel you have delivered an honorable and valuable service i will donate an amount of my choosing, or perhaps buy a shirt with your logo.
    And you will say, Thank you.
    Because if you do not, I will continue to give my money to free services, and eventually they will become more popular than you.

  • ckclark121, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who cares? The only thing i'm interested in is how much they make from that "donate" link.
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