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Satellite imagery of N. Korea missile site

globalsecurity.org — The missile test facility causing all the stir is called the Musudan-ri test facility. A series of satellite images reveal the preparations for testing. Other links contain additional diagrams and discussions.

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  • dankoleary, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Can someone toss up an alternate link / Google Earth info? Thanks!
    • tlmac59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This will give you lat/long - http://www.astronautix.com/sites/musudan.htm
    • rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4http://tinyurl.com/nk23y

      Can't really see anything referenced in the article on GMaps, but it sure is a high-quality image - looks like someone's been interested in getting good pics of the area.
    • b0nj0m0n, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Try this out - looks like Google Maps can even see the basic outlines. It's dark though. Kim Jong Il must have turned out the lights for Da Vinci Code.

      You can see the "Reverse 6" of the road in the upper left.

      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=40 51%27 N 129 40%27 E&ie=UTF8&om=1&t=k&ll=40.855809,129.659357&spn=0.008277,0.021458


    • fletchowns, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Isn't ***** like this supposed to be secret or something?
    • tidu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3nothing is secret anymore
    • FlaG8r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You guys know Google Maps images are several months old, don't you? The image of my neighborhood, for example, was taken before June 2005.
    • loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I went to the location in Google Earth and you can see many facilities in that area. (the No Dong area near Musu-dong). Also interesting is the DMZ. You can see a whole line across the country with bunkers and other facilities.

      It's incredible. 10 years ago this kind of info would only be in the hands of intelligence specialists. Now the whole world can look at that kook's backyard. Power to the people!
    • endersadvocate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Meh.. They have already stated that theyre just working on the worlds largest jar of kimchi..

      people dont lie about things that serious
    • snupples, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5http://www.google.com/maphp?hl=en&q=&ie=UTF8&ll=40.855914,129.662468&spn=0.005664,0.010053&t=k&om=1

      Manufacturing facility on the left side. Launch pad on the right. The control center's a little above.
  • spect3r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4It's amazing how they even have enough information to draw up a sketch on the small details of the thing:

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/td-2-launch-facility-2-s.jpg

    What chance does North Korea have now? How could they possibly expect to launch a missle and have us not notice?
    • tlmac59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14All this is not even from military grade satellites, which have to be much better.
    • andyshep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6From The Korea Times on 3/13/2003

      NK Missile Warhead Found in Alaska By Ryu Jin Staff Reporter
      The warhead of a long-range missile test-fired by North Korea was found in the U.S. state of Alaska, a report to the National Assembly revealed yesterday.

      http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200303/kt2003030417272311970.htm

      But don't take my word for it. Go read the article yourself.
    • stomicron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"How could they possibly expect to launch a missle and have us not notice?"

      They don't expect us to "not notice". That's the whole point. Read the headlines ouside of digg. Pyongyang's been pretty public about the whole mess.
    • syberghost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10They expect us to notice.
    • dw2005, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"All this is not even from military grade satellites, which have to be much better."

      I dunno this dosen't look much better than the pics Colin Powell showed off at the UN when he was trying to convince everyone Iraq had WMDs and we all know how that turned out (unless you watch FOX)

      I sincerly doubt NK is stupid enough to fire a missile at the US, since the US could easily 0wn them 2 times over in the time it takes for them to program the destination coordinates of a long range missile
    • tylerman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@andyshep
      article is dated 3-04-2003 ?!??!?!

    • andyshep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@tylerman

      the dates 3/13/2003 and 3/04/2003 are both shown at the bottom of the article...

      ...and your point is?
    • ZamboniDriver, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0The image you see is static. It was taken on a cloudless day during the mid-day hours. Do you really think they'll launch when they know a satellite is overhead? on a cloudless, sunny day?
      You make it seem like it's a no brainer, we can see this on a satellite image, we should be able to see it launch. Well, realtime satellite imagery is expensive. And it doesn't work so well in darkness. Night time, the heat bloom from a fire or an explosion could be used to "simulate" that of a rocket launch. The N. Koreans could use this to see what reaction the US and Japan have.
    • spider-man, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I dunno this dosen't look much better than the pics Colin Powell showed off at the UN"

      Do you REALLY think Powell is going to "show off" our best satellite surveillance technology to the UN (and thus the general public)? Get real.

  • screampants, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@ Kevin: they don't need to launch it. Now they have some serious bargaining power and thats all they need.
    • MrKite, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2bargaining? what do you mean?
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4No they don't. They've ***** people off now. If they launch that thing it wil be shot down and Kim Jong's head will be spinning a few hours later. Maybe they should give him Saddam's prison number.
    • RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Mrkite, North Korea blackmails the world for foreign aid in the form of food, oil and medicine.
    • viclopez, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4barganing power?
      its as much barganing power as a hooker with crabs walking up to a potentional customer.
    • percyhanna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Sam Fisher will solve everything...
    • ZamboniDriver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1N. Korea has been starving its' citizens for years. Instead of feeding its' citizens, they've been spending money stockpiling arms and building weapons. Giving humanitarian aid to N. Korea is the same as funding terrorism.
      Speaking of funding terrorism, why isn't Kofi Annan in here with his {insert-relative-here}, trying to organize some kind of food for {insert-tradeable-item-here} program?
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The world already has rice??
  • Fly1m1, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1All I saw was a burger!
  • callmejordy265, on 10/12/2007, -23/+7oh yippie. somthing else for Bush to invade
    • ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22We probably should've invaded this and not the other thing.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8@callmejordy:

      Shut up...

      If you can't see why this is dangerous maybe they should strap you to it so you can get a first hand glimpse. Please do remember that the Korean war never ended, it has simply been on a truce and backing on truces while building a nuclear program and an ICBM program is not a good way to say "I want to play nice."
    • TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -25/+14I want to be popular commentor on digg too!!

      "Bush sucks!"
      "Micro$oft Sucks!"
      "Unbuntu rulez!"

      Am i popular yet?
    • aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"We probably should've invaded this and not the other thing."

      If only we could've. But because North Korea already had nuclear weapons, we couldn't--attacking a rogue state *after* they've acquired nukes is a bad idea. Thus, the rationale for a preemptive strike against Saddam--if we couldn't take down North Korea, we could at least prevent another dictator from acquiring the same power.
    • Allometry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@callmejordy265

      I'm really troubled by your comment... It's obvious that you don't see North Korea as a threat, so, offer me the chance to change your mind.

      If you are a liberal, you should be immediately inclined to think about the people living in North Korea. If you're educated, you'll know that living condition in N. Korea is the absolute worst. Food is very, very hard to come by.

      If your on the other side of the political scale, then the people matter, but as a responsibility to our own people, safety is first... If N. Korea has a weapon that can hit a very populated part of the United States, oh say, Los Angeles, then we have to take the threat seriously.

      If N. Korea launches an empty missile near a large American city, there will be hell to pay... I'm not usually confrontational, but in the case of N. Korea starting *****, as an American and as for my other American Brothers and Sisters, I won't be bullied around by some asshole who thinks he invented hamburgers.

      Think what you will about the Iraq war, but those men and women stand for your rights and your safety. They'll even fight for it if you don't want it, because it's that important.

      Take what's going on in N. Korea very seriously and get educated. You sound young and you should be concerned about having to fight for your country... Because just like a previous poster said, the Korean war never ended and the draft is still around.
    • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7@TubaTechno,

      > "Bush sucks!"
      > "Micro$oft Sucks!"
      > "Unbuntu rulez!"
      > Am i popular yet?

      Almost. You need to add the following:

      "Sony suckz. *random words* rootkit *more random words*."
      "Nintendo rulez.". Additional points available for mentioning Mario, Wii, or DS (Preferably in the one sentence with grade-school grammar).

      And you will be well on your way to Digg superstardom. Of course, the effect will work against you to an equal degree if you provide commentary on the problem as opposed to simply being the problem.
    • right75, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1@TubaTechno
      and
      @zetsurin

      LOL! Right on! You guys nailed it.
  • lain1488, on 10/12/2007, -12/+11So what ? if they want to test, test away I say.
    The US did it, the Canada did it. So did France, India etc.....we have the right and they dont ? Pretty crappy argument.
    Ho and if this is the same satellite that did the Iraq and WMD stuff....well I'll let you think.
    • syberghost, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22If you can't see the difference between the US, Canada, and North Korea, let me suggest the following exercise:

      Visit the capital city of each of the above. Find a police officer, and ask if you can speak to him for a few seconds. If he says yes, tell him that the leader of his country is an asshole.

      In the US and Canada, the outcome will be that the police officer will either say "yes, he is" or "sir, I'm very busy, is there something else I can help you with?" Report back to us on what happens with the North Korean policeman.
    • TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Not every country is allowed the same rights based on their history and present intent and behavior.....its the same reason Iran shouldn't enrich uranium....
    • bleggy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Or if youre in the wrong state you might get beaten with a baton.
    • CosmicJustice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@bleggy

      The capitol of the United States isn't in a state.
    • jamesgray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You're right, the capitol is a building and therefore not a state. However, the capital of the US isn't a state either. If you're going to correct others, at least use the right words...
  • MyNightwish, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8If highly doubt that N.Korea would go as far as to launch any missile of any kind

    if they were to do so, on the USA for example, they would regret it, the USA has a right to defend itself

    and other countries would condem what N.Korea did for doing so, so KIM would be no god to the N.Koreans anymore after
    • cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Okay, well you're making some assumptions here.

      One of the assumptions is that Iran gives a ***** if we retaliate. What if Kim just says "Bring it on, bitches" and doesn't care if he gets killed?

      Another assumption is that he will launch this missle and it will be somehow shot down. It's possible, but it's more likely that if he shoots the thing that Hawaii or California it might hit and kill millions of people in the US. Sure, we'd blow them up to high hell, and all that. But millions would die and a lot of land would become immediately contaminated. This might be a good enough reason for a crazy man to do a crazy thing.

      It's not black and white. People do dumb things. I don't trust that Kim Yjongill (or whatever the hell the spelling is) will make a rational descision. Do you want to put your lives and millions of others into the hands of a crazy man?
  • sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's interesting that the missile defense program was "activated" today, along with massive wargames in the Pacific. I imagine that the US is preparing to blow this thing out of the sky if it is launched and strays too far away from N Korea.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It isn't a matter of straying too far. From the sounds of things, if it is fired, it will be shot down regardless. They have been warned.
    • viclopez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9They have already announced that the US Military will attempt to shoot it down. Think of it as a "test" on our missle defense system.
    • syberghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13We won't have to; Japan will. Our system is just in case they miss.
    • b0wl0fud0n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"The US's recently installed ground based interceptor missile defence system has been activated and may be called into use if the communist regime defies warnings over firing the Taepondong rocket, a US defence official told Reuters."

      Here's a link to an article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,,1802095,00.html
    • drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@viclopez

      I just hope our test passes. Otherwise, it will make things look bad. And I don't mean in an embarassing way.
    • JayRod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@syberghost

      That missile is within striking distance in any part of Japan. I'm assuming they will try to shoot it down first. Or the Japanaese may just rely on Americans to take it down. Like the last time this happened in 1998 it depends where the missile is going. It could just be tested to some spot in the ocean, but probably farther than the first time.
  • gab00n, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3One of NK's test missiles has already hit Alaska in 2003 so i don't see why everybody is making such a big fuss now.
  • Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Nuclear Launch Detected.
    • sweeper1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8C&C Generals?
    • drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Except you don't get to be the general. your the expendable no name charging in.
    • Desolite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6i was actually thinking starcraft, but C&C works too :D
    • TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3StarCraft
    • bleggy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Commandant: Battlecruiser Operational.
      Bush: Good, good *arches fingers*
  • Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Anyone that might still have a question as to the phallic nature of these missles need look no further than its name...Taep’o-dong-2.
    • weavr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Don't forget the No Dong Missile Test Facility!
  • lostngone, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6So its ok for the U.S. to have them. Remember the U.S. is the only one in this group to have invaded another country in the the last 10 years, but its bad that North Korea has them because they MIGHT invade another country?
    • sweeper1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I don't think you INVADE anything with an ICBM.....The threat is in them slinging warheads to other continents....
    • drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Yes it is ok for U.S. to have them. U.S., along with other countries, have had the experience and the trust to have warheads, and know how and when and when NOT to use them accordingly. It has nothing to do with who has invaded most recently.

      If you have two kids, one normal and one bat-***** crazy, and the normal one gets a slingshot that doesn't mean you should give the crazy kid one too.
    • tuna1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12No you moron. Because this nutcase is launching missles over Japan, where they have the potential to cause Japanese civilian, U.S. military casualties in Japan, and now the potential for Alaska (possibliy the West Coast of the U.S. mainland). Not to mention the potential to provoke the ROK.

      No it's not okay for NK to have them. The Koreas are still technically at war. It's not in the interests of the ROK or the U.S. for Pyongyang to obtain the missle technology to mount one of their [potential] nukes onto a warhead. If they do, they can cause great instability in a region already with already strained relations. Then it becomes the interest of the world for them not to get this technology.

      Iraq has nothing to do with this, please go spout your Bush-obsessed rhetoric on a more suited topic.
    • lostngone, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4drinkGreen, are you saying the U.S. is trustworthy?

      The U.S. have proven time and time again that its not trustworthy. The U.S. is the only country that has used them against another.
  • DumbCommonHerd, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4The problem I see is that the technology is something like 60-years old now. Terrorists throughout the world can and will obtain such a thing. Then nuke the United States. And then who does the United States nuke in return?

    I am an American but I have to remind you of the old saying that still rings true: 'Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword".

    George Bush is gonna get us nuked.
    • TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8so peaceful words will solve everything? WAKE UP YOU'RE DREAMING!
    • bleggy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2TubaTechno: If humanity were more intelligent, perhaps they would. At the moment, that isnt looking to happen anytime soon...
  • Psykus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7I saw a turtle.
    • xchbla423, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How does anybody see anything in these pictures?
      I'd like to see what the government's satellites can do.
  • Skab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2i say this, if we have a ***** missle defense, and we spend 400 billion on it. (and yes i know thats total) Chances are n korea doesn't have a good enough offense to reach us.
    • otatop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Missile defense is slightly more difficult than missile offense.
  • Rocksteady, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2..and so now begins our inevitable destruction of ourselves...

  • b0nj0m0n, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Hey, if you buy a Titan Missile Base on EBay, (http://digg.com/deals/Titan_1_ICBM_Missile_Base_-_Located_in_Washington_State) you can probably use Google Maps to get yourself directions. You could ride the missile in like that guy in Dr. Strangelove.
    • bleggy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Only have to buy the missile from somewhere too... and all the launch systems... and fuel.
      Wheres my wallet? :)
  • d3dm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1And somewhere at a secret facility deep underground a monotonic voice comes over a loudspeaker and says,

    "Greetings Professor Falken. Shall we play a game?"

  • aximbigfan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1it is time to bomb saddom...erm...kim jonj lee....
    sseriusly someone needs to go over there and blow that bad boy up..

    chris
  • LevLuthor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I am just curious, lets say n Korea did something crazy and did send the US a nuke on one of these. Do you think we would actually nuke them back? I am just not sure the US would or would be "allowed". So I thought I would get other people's opinion.
    • SpacemanSpiff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No, the strategy "an eye for an eye" does not bode well in nuclear war.
      North Korea is not stupid enough to launch a nuke anyway, this is just a test ICBM. They're just flexing a little bit and saying "Hey, look at what I can do."
    • MOOCHY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If they did nuke the US, the result would be a parking lot for China to use. Of course the UN would throw a fit, but a country is allowed to defend itself. I think most Americans would agree if they lost a whole city to a nuke (i.e. LA, Seattle). IMHO I don't think that China would ever allow the little dictator to do that.
    • jwoelich, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Would we retaliate with a nuke? Probably not, to be honest. Like what was mentioned earlier, NK is working with tech that is about 60+ years behind that of the US. It would be a trivial matter to knock it out of the sky. So it would be more likely that the US would bomb them back to the stone age with conventional weapons.

    • SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Let me get this straight ...if North Korea launch a nuclear missle, you think the United States is not allow to retaliate and launch a nuclear missle back at them? Why don't you do us a favor and check yourself in a nut house.
    • elephantdog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1China, Japan and South Korea wouldn't like that- but the USA wouldn't give a *****. So unless everyone in the region was nice and calm, accepting a bitch slap from the USA, WW3 would likely start.
    • jwoelich, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"They're just flexing a little bit and saying "Hey, look at what I can do.""

      Like Stuart on MadTV?

      "China, Japan and South Korea wouldn't like that- but the USA wouldn't give a *****. So unless everyone in the region was nice and calm, accepting a bitch slap from the USA, WW3 would likely start."

      That's another reason why we wouldn't use a nuke. For a country that small, it would effect too many surrounding innocent regions. Much better to just go the conventional route.
    • Specks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Look we could fathom all day as to what would happen if he did send a nuke our way. If it did, well the U.S. would have the right to respond in equal fashion. Would we do that? Depends on the target that got hit. S. Korea would get hurt in the process, there's no way around that since Pajama Boy always has missiles threatening them to try and deter the U.S. from doing anything.

      He'll make a big stink if we use our missile defense system to shoot it down, but I don't think he'll be stupid enough to start anything.
    • anon52, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2So which "independent" news gathering agency do we rely on to verify that the NK have launched a missile (nuke or not), and that the friendlies have responded appropriately? Unless someone other than the USA has really good coverage, we'll just need to rely on the US-supplied media outlets. And we know how well they have served us during our mid-east oil grab.

      Come on all you eye-for-an-eye folks. You are being fed a bunch of psy-ops and there is nowhere (especially not Fox) to get a balanced view. In the end, you'll just bleat another round of "we didn't know".
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0We would not have to use nukes. If that missile so much as grazes our coast NK will be neutered before the sunset of the next day. We have a conventional arsenal that could surgically remove anything important.
  • dkarlson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Someone set us up the bomb!
    • Zethris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We should just go over there and make all their base are belong to us.
  • RaistlinMajere, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Time to nuke some commies.
  • star, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3What is wrong with some people?

    Those photos look perfectly like photos of a regular airfield hangar and maintenance area.

    Just look at the "sketch":
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/images/td-2-launch-facility-2-s.jpg
    "NORTH KOREAN MISSILES
    IRANIAN MISSILES"

    Hello!?

    Charles P. Vick is even working for GlobalSecurity.org ffs!

    Can it get more clear that you are being scammed?!

    If not, I have a really nice bridge to sell you, really cheap too.
    • drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6screw the damn photos. I couldn't care less about a photo or a satellite image.

      we KNOW that Korea is planning to launch a test warhead. case closed.
    • SpacemanSpiff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1disguise
      n.
      1. Appearance that misrepresents the true character of something: a blessing in disguise.
      2. A pretense or misrepresentation: His repeated references to his dangerous hobbies were only a disguise to cover up his insecurity.
    • star, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"we KNOW that Korea is planning to launch a test warhead. case closed."

      Hahaha...ok, you KNOW that! lmao...

      I bet you also KNEW that Saddam had "Weapons of Mass Destruction" that could be launched at the USA any time now!
    • tomokatsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I don't know about other people, but I couldn't care less about what their missile launch center looks like... What matters is that it can fire missiles! Are you trying to deny that N. Korea is threatening to fire "test" missiles? The damn photos don't even matter... (although, I still think the sketch does look like a rocket launch... it has no runway to be a airstrip.)
    • drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@stardumbass

      When other countries are reporting on it, not just the US, and Korea THEMSELVES verify it, then yes I KNOW.

      sweet lord, I'm getting tired of the HateBush trendies. If you don't like him fine, but this is serious news.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@star:

      Take a look at the google map someone posted above... the longes straight, clear piece of dirt there is about 250ft long. That is one hell of a short "runway". This looks nothing like an airbase.
    • star, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"drinkGreen" keeps going; "When other countries are reporting on it, not just the US, and Korea THEMSELVES verify it, then yes I KNOW."

      Everyone can report anything, what matters if it is true or not true.

      The next word we will learn today is the word propaganda:

      propaganda
      n.

      1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
      2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.


      "tomokatsu" asks; "Are you trying to deny that N. Korea is threatening to fire "test" missiles?"

      Of course I do, as is any critically thinking human being.

      North Korea has been trying to develop an oil-independent energy grid for years
      but every time it has started on a project the US has intervened and stopped it.

      It's fantastic how little propaganda it takes nowadays to make people believe
      the most fantastic stories thanks to a little racist propaganda brainwashing
      by the film industry, the media and a corrupt government.

      Educate yourself people, you are making yourself look like ignorant rednecks.

      Some suggestions on where to start:

      PROPAGANDA IN THEORY AND PRACTICE
      How Does It Work?
      http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/propaganda.html

      PROPAGANDA - General (theory, practice and history)
      http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vf01.cfm?folder=715&outfit=pmt

      You will also want to learn how to recognize disinformation and disinformers;

      Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth:
      The Rules of Disinformation
      (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist)
      http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/artcls/disinfo.htm

      And of course long-time spy Philip Agee's own account of things;

      The Pot Calling the Kettle Black: The USA and International Terrorism
      http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/2729/index.php


      Now, back to current fun and games with North Korea...

      How much did you know about Rumsfeld's (yup, that's scumbag Rumsfeld)
      involvement in this whole affair?

      I'll give you a little hint to make your starting point a bit smoother...

      2000: Rumsfeld was a director of a company which wins $200m contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea
      2002: Rumsfeld declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change

      The two faces of Rumsfeld
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html#article_continue

      Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea
      http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=1648385

      The promise was that the US should help North Korea to build "light water reactors"
      that would power the country if North Korea promised not to build it's own nuclear
      reactors.

      The problem: US never held it's promise (surprise?). And when the winter in 2002 was closing in
      and threatened to kill thousands of people, North Korea said *fsck it!* we need
      energy NOW and we'll build our own reactors instead of waiting for reactors that
      probably never will come (which of course was right).

      Perfect! Now the Bush administration had the excuse they wanted and could say "Look! They are building nuclear powerplants even though they said they wouldn't(sic)."

      Remember how the US blocked all oil-ships going to Japan in the 40's so that
      Japan would have to take miltary action against the US?

      Same trick different country.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Right, so the satellite photo you completely ignored is.... Kim Jong's spa for starving children and nuns?
    • drinkGreen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@star

      A word/phrase/title you need to add to your dictionary is Conspiracy Theorist. Someone could bring the damn warhead to your house and have you sign your name on it and you would still be like "It could be a life-size plastic shell, painted to look like a warhead, just to trick us. Oh you sneaky US government. I'm onto you!"

      You want some more information that I KNOW? I KNOW that even before this war and before Bush, this whole planet looked at the world's problems, and blamed US. US has money, why don't they help. US has weapons, why don't they kill our enemies. US is the 3rd largest country, why can't they take the people we don't want?
      The world thought of us as a police state, so we pretty much became one. And of course, everybody hates the police until they need them.
  • nyccharlie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Kim Jong Il: Now you see, the changing of the worrd is inevitabre!
    Lisa: I'm sorry, it's what?
    Kim Jong Il: Inevit, inevitabre.
    Lisa: One more time.
    Kim Jong Il: [shouts] Inevitebre! Jesus Christ, open your ***** ears!
  • Specks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@aviazn
    N. Korea claims to have nukes. Since he doesn't follow the rules everyone else does he wont have any problems with above ground tests to prove that he has them. So far he hasn't done so. So all it is is posturing at the moment.

    Anyone want to take a guess when Pajama Boy is going to launch his toy and aggravate everyone? He's going to do it since the only way to dismantle the thing after fueling it up is to either launch it in to the ocean or blow it up.
  • btljuice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1*Dr. Evil voice* Why don't we just do what we always do... hijack some nuclear missiles and hold the world hostage, mm?
  • percyhanna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Maybe they should just take out the axcess road...
    • Specks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You forget that Kim Jong-il will see that as an excuse to send a lot of missiles south. Best thing to do is to let him launch it, shoot it down and watch him cry.
  • Philoushka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2just make sure you type in the numbers correctly, followed by the Execute button.
  • pabster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Time to plug in those coordinates to a MOAB and get the job done.
  • shakaru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Here is a link to a rapidshare with the Google Earth KMZ for the base. Took me a while to find by map.
    http://rapidshare.de/files/23623288/Musudan-ri_Missile_Test_Facility__North_Korea.kmz.html
  • tylerman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2check the dates on the NK missle in alaska
    first one posted was dated 03-04-2003
    the second one posted from americanfreepress dates august 2004

    from my guess its just a bunch of ***** until they show hard evidence..or some more credible news sources
    Korean times I willnot trust just like I won't trust fox news

    At best they flew over there or by boat and placed the "warhead" on the ground hoping we would find it
  • Dotnetsky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Long Dong long no more. Chop it!
  • DanVersion1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1There is alot of inaccuracies being posted here.

    First off, it hasnt been verified that a warhead has been attached to this missle. As far as we know it is only a test of the missle itself.

    Second, the only American-controlled land mass that it is capable of hitting is Alaska and Guam.

    I am personally tired of this crap. Whether or not North Korea is launching an attack or simply testing missle technology, it is being done against treaties and is being held over us as a threat if we do not drop sanctions on them.

    Tolerance isnt the answer.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0According to a few things I have seen, if it lives up to its maximum it could hit DC.
  • t35t0r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1destroy two of our buildings and we wil invade two of your countries and take all of your oil. Nuke us and we will make sure that your lands become uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years.
  • Rocksteady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1-5 diggs for stating an opinion?!? C'mon diggers..this is what digg.com is all about!

    You may not agree, but that's you. That's why we're different. Man alive lighten up people.
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