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- smoothmedia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+34That's tame by Cherry's standards.
- Kronos6948, on 10/11/2007, -5/+32@soulknowledge-
You obviously know nothing of the sport. After a hockey fight-guys usually go out for a beer. After a basketball fight, it always escalates into something worse.
Hockey fights are there usually to take someone off the ice who's been either out to try to injure your best player, or someone who just plain plays dirty. It teaches them a lesson. I've never seen a one on one basketball fight. - coxon, on 10/11/2007, -5/+32Brett Hull was being's Don Cherry's little bitch. On CBC Ron Maclean called him Brett Cherry.
No visors? That's as stupid idea as restarting the WHA. - m3mn0n, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27hah, that was the best line.
And is it just me or is Digg getting more Canadian? Just For Laughs, Red Green, and Don Cherry.... what's next? - Boing, on 10/11/2007, -3/+29No instigator rule would have meant that pansy, Daniel Alfredsson, would have had to drop his gloves to defend himself for being an idiot and shooting the puck at Niedermeyer at the end of the period.
Abolish the instigator rule now, Bettman! - Schmidtopolis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+25Sold out crowd, 21,000 (around). Can't smoke in the building, plus everyone needs something from Tim Hortons after every period. Not to mention $11 21Oz. beers, and the occasional washroom break.
There were 8,000(+) people watching the game right outside the arena, plus there are big screens set up in front of City Hall... I'm guessing a few thousand were there... not to mention all the bars on Elgin St. That's how Canada does the Stanley Cup Finals. - mortigon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21Don Cherry is a legend... even though he's been known to bash American players, he's still 100% hockey, and I love it.
- theiceman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19"Swedes?...I don't know nothing about Swedes."
- kkevlar14, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23Not necessarily...
More protection means players play more recklessly. Before visors, everyone kept their sticks down and there were almost no eye injuries. Eye injuries have been on the rise ever since visors started being used.
Brett may sound like an idiot, but he knows a lot about the game. - ccL1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17I can't stand "family-friendly" hockey that Bettman is trying to push. Fighting is family-friendly!
I wish I had the money to blow on a hockey team (i.e. enough to have it survive for at least a decade). I'd make a team entirely of goons only. No shooters, no skilled players, no scorers. Just goons. Even a goon goalie. - sillywampa, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17@soulknowledge
I dugg your comments up because I dont believe differing opinions should be dugg down like that.
Now in regards to your comments, one on one fights in hockey are NEVER dirty. People make the mistake of seeing 2 guys pushing and shoving and call that a fight, it's not. a fight is when 2 guys drop the gloves and go at it. Sometimes a goon will go after someone who's not known for fighting and that is frowned upon. When guys are running your best players, dirty or not, your goon has to step up and put that guy in his place.
best example of honorable fighting in hockey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNUTSTRnz8
wait till after the fight and listen to the audio of Georges Laraque leading up to the fight.
In the NBA, I've NEVER EVER seen a one-on-one fight that stayed one-on-one. The teammates always get involved, as do the benches, same with Baseball. - canuck21, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Ron MacLean is the man
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12"Don Cherry is a legend... even though he's been known to bash American players, he's still 100% hockey, and I love it."
I don't remember Don ever bashing American players,in fact he's pretty pro American...I'm pretty sure Mike Modano is one of his favorite players in the league,he likes Doug Weight and Bill Guerin aswell!
Now European players,that's a different story. - everfresh59, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12I agree that the whole visor thing Hull was talking about was a bit absurd. As for Hully being Cherry's bitch....it's Don Cherry.....you have no choice but to be his bitch, he IS Hockey!
Only thing to really bitch about is NBC, what a bunch of sissy asses for forcing the league and it's players to completely erase the thought of fighting. WTF? A fight might have prevented the Alfredsson hit. It's so sad how NBC can broadcast JJ's nibbers, or see a LB's leg bend the wrong way, or even blind sided hits and Nascar collisions. Hockey without fighting is figure skating you dumbasses.... put it back...especially if you care about ratings.... I wanna see Neil kick someone's ass in HD.
BLEU, BLANC ET ROUGE ESTI! - spartan777, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12i agree w/ kronos. I've played hockey since i was 4 so I would know the sport as well as anyone. Fights can be malicious, but more often than not they are to rally their team and fans. To get rid of somebody who's been headhunting out there; put someone in their place.
- drdcuddy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11so i guess this is the Digg canadian forum? good to be home eh boys?
cheers.
go cherry. - clipper453, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Dugg for Brett Hull actually acknowledging that he played for St. Louis (and bonus points for him giving his teammates credit for all the goals he scored).
- spartan777, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10i don't know anything about the visor discussion, but I love how Don Cherry called Hull out for kicking the puck in when he won the Stanley Cup back in '99 (?).
- captainwtf, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Cherry is the king. Fifty percent of that reason is because he has a new, unique suit every time he comes on the television.
- Philodox, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Cherry on visors: "Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French guys"
- bbhh, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10kkevlar14, sticks also weighed la lot more, ever picked up a composite stick? they honestly don't weigh anything, i think it's a part of the problem.
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Believe it or not, Americans love the game too.
PS..as a LA Kings fan (which is tough), I stand proud behind the Sens to humiliate the Ducks. - ostracize, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7@sillywampa
Here's another example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TacPPXaNI9A
If you want to go out and nail a star player, you better expect a fight. You can't let a goon get away with that kind of behaviour - marnaq, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Yay. Go Sweden. We're good football players.
- lansuggs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8When I first heard Ron say Brett Cherry, I thought it was a mistake, then a second later remembered that Hull kept saying "I agree". I lol'd!
- lansuggs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Goon team, that's awesome! My starting line:
Domi, Laraque, Boogie, Probert, Mcsorly. In goal? mayb Roy. (sry, can't think of better goon keeper)
Personally, I'd go for a pest team.
Tucker, Tootoo, Ruutu, Avery, and Maltby. Oh yeah. Cheap penalties FTW! - wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6This is how Canadians behave.
- olympian41, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@purgueflantar - Guess we'll never know since they didn't make it that far!!!
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8***** the new NHL. The new commissioner is a prick who wants to turn this game into a family fun event with high scores and less physicality.
- gebx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Brett Hull is a moron, that nights comments on banning visors? Come on, what kind of dumb ass comment is that? How do visors in any way affect the game except for protecting players eyes..
Go Don Cherry! - wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Windsor, Ontario used to have a Don Cherry's Pub, I once saw Cherry and Ron coming out just after breakfast. I was younger at the time, and thought it odd.
I always thought Ron and Don were mortal enemies, to see them laughing in the street was strange. Clearly I was more naive then.
As for Don, I think this interview above was particularily bad because of his throat. Look on the bright-side, I think Rhudy is growing to be a pretty capable announcer. If he'd cut a few more of the hockey-cliche's out of his speech, and do a little more frank and comitted opinion, he'd be great.
I just feel sorry for Canada when Cherry dies, I think we'll have to make a national holiday for the funeral. - everfresh59, on 10/11/2007, -2/+71. Brett Hull has 741 career goals, 103 in the playoffs.
2. Brett Hull is Canadian, he became American because he went to Boston College (I think he scored like 212 goals in 56 games or something!) after playing Tier 2 Hockey in Canada. He bears the USA jersey because he believes they were the reason he made it into the NHL (especially after Calgary drafted him and traded right after!).
Don't be hatin' The Golden' Brett, he had a wicked howitzer..... - bruinexmo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Cherry knows what he's talking aboot.
- mistahroth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Don Cherry is hugely known in Canada, he's got a big mouth and knows his hockey.
It's funny seeing him on NBC, they must be thinking he's nuts, but he's really tame compared to Hockey Night in Canada haha - wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5The ESPN classic games and today's games are -totally- different sports. The game has drastically increased its speed because _all_ the equipment has gotten better.
The pads are more flexible and far lighter. The skates are bio-mechanically engineered for weight transfer, the blades are cut at angles derived by Egg-heads, they're made out of the same thing as the space station. The Ice surface is suspended on a floating bed in the rink, piped with coolants, shaved, hardened, supercold. The pucks are frozen and made of better synthetic, chemically controlled and perfectly weighted/balanced. The players are super-athletes, tested, prodded and totally managed for fitness & their sport - the average weight is probably about 220-ish lbs.
A skate from 1960? A stitched leather boot with a piece of steel suspended off the bottom. The pads? Leather, felt and the same plastic in ashtrays. The ice was mostly just Winter-air frozen and such, the surface was...well, maybe not as good.. ;) The players were probably told to smoke and eat nothing but red-meat between beers... and were lighter people.
Im 32 years old, since *I* started playing *I* can say Ive seen the same night and day change in the sport's equipment and the rinks. I cant even imagine what another 30 years would mean, honestly I've seen my grandfathers' and father's equipment, you can't begin to imagine.
Now, my position on the "increased" concussions: Your head is suspended away from your body, it wobbles out there. Not much fundamental changes have happened in crash protection to control your neck-whips and head-hits (save the helmets themselves).
People are getting more concussions today because the we players have gotten much _FASTER_ more agile and nimble to setup the hits themselves. I wonder what the "time around behind both nets" time for a 1960 player was, and what it is today?
Removing the helmets in today's game is just stupid and suicidal. You cannot go back to 1960's environment for concussions, because you are playing with 2007 equipment.
_SPEED_ means force (the "hockey hit" is the most force a player endures in any sport -- anywhere), and all that force results in concussions. The capability of the human body hasnt changed to keep up with the sport of hockey.
Perhaps we should genetically engineer the players? - vvargoal, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5^ no you can't, and that's exactly the point. you can't start a fight in defense of one of your players without getting an instigator minor. get rid of the minor, and players can retaliate against cheap shots without getting extra penalties added on, and cheap shotting pansies like pronger get what's coming to them
- Philodox, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Don't agree because it's too tame? Otherwise that's just the tip of the iceberg for Cherry's suits.
- ostracize, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Oh, and here they come now, led by someone we all know very well,
Tim "Dr Hook" McCracken!
And here's a name from the past. Ross "Mad Dog" Madison!
Ross, as you know, never travels anywhere
without his longtime friend and attorney, Sam "Small Print" Lyman!
Here's one for nostalgia fans! Clarence "Screaming Buffalo" Swamptown!
I'll never forget an interview I did with him years ago,
when Buffalo revealed he liked to call his hockey stick "The Big Tomahawk".
He usually refers to opposing players as "The Little Scalps".
I thought he'd been suspended for ever.
Andre "Poodle" Lussier, defence.
Andre, of course, has been living in semi-seclusion in Northern Quebec
ever since the unfortunate Denny Pratt tragedy.
Not Poodle!
And from Mile Forty, Saskatchewan, where he now runs a doughnut shop,
number 15, former penalty-minute record holder of the Federal League
for the years 1960 to 1968 inclusive, Gilmore Tuttle!
Oh, gee. Hold the phone.
This is an unscheduled surprise.
It's him.
This young man has had a very trying rookie season,
what with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada,
and that country's refusal to accept him.
That's more than most 21-year-olds could handle. - smacksaw, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I can't believe he took it to Brett like that about the goal getting kicked in and Brett's foot in the crease...I guess Brett was afraid some Buffalo fans might make the drive up to Ottawa before the game was over and beat his ass for hypocrisy. He shut up real quick when Don got him like that.
Mind like a steel trap.
I actually wanna watch the NBC broadcast now. I feel dirty. - spartan777, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5true that. I wanna tell my kids "see that guy get his face pounded in? that's what happens to you if you try to take daddy's car for a ride."
- chrisreynolds, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@ spartan777
Hull didn't kick the puck in he just had a toe in the crease.
Personally, I think that the controversy over that was one of the best things to happen to hockey. Because of that they really changed the crease rule. Before then it seemed like every goal went up for review. I think it was not a goal by the rules of the time but should have been a goal any other time.
By the way, I thought that was hilarious too. - wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@kkevlar14
I disagree, the game has accidents too. Protecting your face/eyes is wise for the off chance that some random stick/puck comes up. Did you see Yzerman get the puck in the face? He's lucky to not be blind, If he was wearing a visor (full mask?), he would have been fine.
In my mens' league, face shields are optional. Ive seen too many smashed teeth and slices from sticks, ive been wearing mine since childhood, Im not loosing an eye to feel 'macho'. Visibility doesn't suffer. - Jeffler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Wrong you fool, he was born in Belleville, Ontario.
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I dont think its a bad idea to pull the goalies equipment size down a bit. It wont fundementally change the game, it will just stop the "I can wear 12-sq-ft goalie suit and block the whole net" arms race.
- bunkka, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"Believe it or not, Americans love the game too.
PS..as a LA Kings fan (which is tough), I stand proud behind the Sens to humiliate the Ducks."
I am an Kings fan as well but my support is for the Ducks. They need to breathe life into the sport out here, it desperately needs it. - profOblivion, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"empty"?! You're kidding, right? It was intermission!
Head out to the other end of the city for an Ottawa Lynx baseball game, then you can talk about "empty". - liambarron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4One of the main reasons fighting is good for the game of hockey is because it can settle a game down. In a game where cheap shots are rampant and emotions take over usually what will happen is the two fighters on each team will battle it out at center ice and the whole game becomes better. They settle all those little battles with one fight and get back to playing good hockey. Another reason why fighting is accepted in hockey as opposed to other sports (being a former hockey player) is because of the difficulty of fighting while on skates, you can't get great traction on the ice to deliver those really dangerous blows even though they do sometimes occur. Oh and Go Leafs Go!
- mhockey14221, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Playing high school hockey where everyone wears full masks, its really noticeable how many times a stray stick can get stuck in your face. When I played later without a mask (generally with friends for pick up games) everyone was aware of where their sticks were flying. Even in a competitive game, you dont want to have a devastating eye injury to be on your conscious, even if you don't really like your opposition.
Hockey is a game based on honor, so much more than any sport today. People see masks and extra padding as license to take cheaper shots and attempt to injure.
Also, I dont think youth leagues should do away with masks. - rwinograd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Canadian team didn't want him. He wanted to play in the worlds. After that the American's always said he could come back and and wanted to be fair to the team that gave him a chance.
I am Canadian and I think thats fair -
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