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- sarazen, on 11/10/2008, -2/+18Here is a link to that hit on Sutter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhepQWlvQKs
I don't think that it makes me a purist say that the hit was clean, at least in terms of what the rules describe as fair. Sutter reached out and brought both his head and body down just prior to the hit, and you can see Weight try to get his shoulder lower, but he was committed by the time Sutter changed position and the collision was unavoidable at that point.
It is terribly unfortunate, and I really hope that Sutter recovers. Certainly the difference in body size between defense men and forwards are a factor, but so is the psychology of wearing safety equipment. Studies have shown that when people feel like they are protected, they take bigger risks. Since the introduction of helmets into the NHL we haven't had the risk of death from a head to ice impact, but conversely hits have become harder and more wild as players have felt like they were safer. Hence concussions go up. - Trifold, on 11/10/2008, -1/+15In other news, thirsty people agree water is a more refreshing drink than Drano.
- bzmeteorite, on 11/10/2008, -1/+10"Bigger Hockey Players Causing More Concussions"
Thank you science for clearing that up. - santaliqueur, on 11/10/2008, -0/+6I would think being a Canes fan, you'd be used to watching painful things.
- duckstreet, on 11/10/2008, -0/+6Didn't read the article, but the equipment being worn by the players has a lot more to do with it than the size. The elbow and shoulder pads have a HARD plastic outer shell instead of a soft foam one like they used to.
Also, the style of the game has changed with the rule changes, which leads to almost all contact being head-on, instead of chasing and reaching/hooking/holding. - wildest, on 11/10/2008, -1/+7My head hurts :(
- Cerialthriller, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5linebackers dont have an average speed of 23 mph..
the article mentions that hockey players travel at 23 mph in full stride but running backs in football travel at 16 mph in full stride. its probably even lower for linebackers. - bruuks, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5Scott Steven's wasn't that big, was he? Relatively speaking, compared to a linebacker.
6'2", 215lb (Thanks wikipedia)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U7jUbKQYdw - Drax0n, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5Why? it was a good clean hit. If he lifted his elbow I would agree with you but the simple cause for the injury was Sutter not keeping his head up. Hopefully he learned his lesson, who knows maybe this lesson will prevent him from having a worse injury in his future.
- HanzMoleman, on 11/10/2008, -1/+6Guess that's why the USSR was so good at it...
- BoneheadFarker, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5How does it show a lack of respect? Sutter was the one at fault. He dropped his head at the last second reaching for the puck. If he hadn't, it would have been a regular shoulder-to-shoulder hit. Instead it was a shoulder-to-head hit. When you know that a 200+ pound hockey player is coming at you full speed in order to prevent you from getting the puck, you have the choice between reaching for the puck or bracing for the hit. Sutter chose poorly...
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -1/+6"Breaking: Getting Hit By Large People More Painful."
Thank you science, without you common sense would falter. - funkedup, on 11/10/2008, -0/+4That hit on Paul Kariya was devastating.
- S4MF1SHER, on 11/10/2008, -0/+4That's why you should keep your head on swivel, kiddies
- bamirza, on 11/10/2008, -0/+4On the flip side, the big guys (see: Lindros, Eric) were on the receiving end of some hits also. Rather than look at the size of the player, why not examine the part of the player that is actually making contact... the equipment!
- deaftly, on 11/10/2008, -0/+4In other news today, Fish like water
- maximilen, on 11/10/2008, -1/+5No ***** Sherlock.
- spyd3rweb, on 11/10/2008, -0/+3Well thats Carolina fans for ya, don't know ***** about hockey.
- geesamba, on 11/10/2008, -0/+3Your second comment makes your first invalid. If you deem the hit clean (I do), then you can't say he was purposely trying to injure Sutter. Sutter had his head down, pure and simple. Weight's hit was textbook: low center of gravity, knees flexed, shoulder contact, no upwards thrust by the elbow to "finish" the hit. Had Sutter not been seriously injured, you would see this hit in an instructional video.
For me, Weight's intent was to impede the forward movement of the puck carrier using his well-positioned body. I didn't see an elbow raised (it was tucked in down by his kidney) and his stick was off to the side in one hand. Had he used an elbow, had he had two hands on his stick and led with the stick, had he thrust upward to amplify the hit, I'd agree it was intent to injure.
I remember my 9th grade year playing high school hockey. I was maybe 5'10", 150lbs and playing third line on the Varsity squad. The other team had a big, mean pair of first line defensemen. Although coaches try to avoid 1st line against 3rd lines during shift change delays, I was a left winger going against their right defensemen for a bit. I had just caught a cross ice pass in the neutral zone about 4 feet from the left boards just shy of their blue line. A fright train hit put me head-first into the boards and bent my cage in until it almost touched my nose. It was a very clean, very hard hit. I had a concussion, and had to leave the game. All my teammates told me after "Welcome to high school hockey, kid. Keep your head up next time". Excellent advice. Same applies here. Sutter, keep your head up next time. - mxlytn, on 11/10/2008, -0/+3buried for the fact that big hits are one thing that makes hockey so sweet.
- barstegry, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2And knowing is half the battle..
the other half is getting the ***** out of the way.... - WhiteCloud, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2Actually you are supposed to press yourself against the board when taking a hit. That way the your whole body accepts the impact. If you create a space you open yourself up to a whole bunch of injuries when you are on the receiving end of a double impact and your body is thrown into the boards at all kinds of weird angles.
- dig1x, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2Hey hotdog, keep your head up.
- FearisFailure, on 11/10/2008, -1/+3and It hurts like a Mother *****
- rugbyguide, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2Sutter has been practicing with the Canes and making good progress. If all goes well he should be back in the line up pretty soon.
- bruuks, on 11/10/2008, -1/+3I appreciate you taking the time to point out my spelling mistake. I owe a million apologies (or is it apologie's) to Mr Stevens - and apparently to you as well, for the great offence that it has caused to you.
Who shat in your coffee this morning? - santaliqueur, on 11/10/2008, -1/+3Every hockey player who reads this is wondering what the ***** you are talking about.
- kogeki, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2Hockey bourgeois? Ha! I think you just wanted to use the word bourgeois.
- dig1x, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2...And Canadians.
- spyd3rweb, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2Thats the "Welcome to the NHL noob" hit.
- Jhiaxuz, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2You keep your head down in the neutral zone and have puck control and you're going to get rocked by any of the opposing players. Big or small. There is no way Doug Weight could have prevented this from happening in the time it took to happen and it's one of those things you merely have to accept as an accident.
He wasn't behind the play, he did not use his elbow. It was just an unfortunate accident and any other way this would have been run on all the highlight reels. - rheaume, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2Its a peace treaty signed between the United Federation of Planets and the Romulan Star Empire in 2311 on the planet Algeron IV ok??
hehe - OriginalG516, on 11/10/2008, -0/+2The hit on Sutter isn't a good example because Doug Weight isn't the kind of new-NHL big guy the article is referring to. Weight has been around since the early 90s and is not even 6 feet tall 200 pounds. The guy can lay a hit out but he isn't some 6'9 mutant born in 1990.
- Cerialthriller, on 11/11/2008, -0/+1i really wouldnt want to catch a puck in the elbow with a just a foam padding on. Or a hard slash for that matter
- Cerialthriller, on 11/11/2008, -0/+1weight was committed to the hit before Sutter dropped his head. Have you ever tried to ditch a check after you got into the trolley tracks?
- Cerialthriller, on 11/11/2008, -0/+1exactly. when you are 4 of 5 feet away is when you get jammed into the board while falling and can break bones.. I mean jsut look at the bergeron, or the recent van ryn videos.. they get hurt because they were leaning over and just a couple feet off the boards instead of standing up against them. If you flatten against the boards, most of the energy is transfered to the boards.
- rheaume, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1Youre a huge cocaine fan?
- BoneheadFarker, on 11/11/2008, -0/+1Nah...it's just been a while since I followed hockey. Watched the Leafs for years before I gave up cable. But you get the idea...
- drimo, on 11/10/2008, -1/+2You mean Chris Pronger's "elbows"?
- rheaume, on 11/10/2008, -1/+2***** Doug Weight ok?
- arcusMae, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Well, making protection unproective would just be illogical. The idea is to make modern padding a second skin rather than a suit of armor. I think increasing vulnerability to players on a league scale would actually reduce injuries because it would lessen the perceived feeling of invulnerability by many players (break neck speed just for an icing?) I honestly think the reason these ideas have not been implemented is that it would make the game slower and the top brass think this would reduce ratings. Despite this, I would surely watch more hockey if it were to shed helmets, lessen its protection, halt advancements in technology (i.e. sticks), reduce goalie padding, and get rid of that damned instigator penalty. Hah, I guess I'm just a fan of old time hockey.
- one2gamble, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1thats what you are supposed to be doing....its part of the game
- bamirza, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1Gordie Howe was known for his elbow hits, but he never did the kind of damage today's guys do. The elbow pads that are used now are extremely strong and painful when they make contact. The league really needs to regulate them better in order to see less of this.
- BoneheadFarker, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1No...he intentionally hit him as hard as he could in order to prevent him from getting the puck. That's not to say he was aiming for his head. There was no intent to injure, just intent to stop a player from getting into the end zone with the puck. Sutter was the one that put his head where his shoulder was a second before the hit...
- Mahoney07, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1Multiple concussions can cause death.
- dig1x, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1Agreed, *never* skate parallel to the boards, about 4-5 feet away, that's how you end up with a broken neck.
I buried chocula78 because coach-z is an idiot if he told anyone that nonsense. - dannymb877, on 11/10/2008, -1/+2Way... to use... your head.
- Vosona, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1Keep digging, Watson.
- xcleetusx, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1"studies" like this are why creationism still has a fighting chance...
- arcusMae, on 11/11/2008, -0/+1That and also the lack of "body cushion," or fat, as the article mentions. I have heard commentaries in the recent years about the surplus of injuries. It seems like it is a combination of advancing technology, over confidence (ie over protection with large hunks of plastic instead of cloth/leather), and the increase in players' muscle mass. There are a lot of more torn muscles nowadays due to their lack of fatty tissue to take the blow.
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