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- mage1129, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29No surprise here. Which one of these (Beer/Wine) makes you think of nachos and chicken wings?
- skiCO, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Everyone repeat after me...
Correlation does not imply causation!
1 more time!
Correlation does not imply causation!
Seriously though, people need to realize that studies like this do not really tell us anything. Are people who buy wine more likely to buy good food? or are people who buy good food more likely to buy wine?
Did you know that Ice cream sales and murders are correlated also? - MrStylz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21I hope this study didn't cost anything seeing as it's stating the obvious.
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Beer is to wings as wine is to cheese!
- spickly, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16my thoughts exactly. seems a little like a no-brainer
- dfltr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10pirates prevent global warming.
- wqwert, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Here are my thoughts: The casual link isn't what food goes with beer vs wine, but rather who buys beer and crappy food or wine and fancy food. Overall wealthy people tend to have much better health, access to education, and (I'd imagine) higher likelihood of buying wine + better food. So a new title would be: rich people live healthier, buy more expensive stuff.
- an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17In other news: Water Still Wet!
- DeepDoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11what if I like both
A lot. - aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13No worries here. Jameson and Jack Daniels. TRUMP!
- Fluidity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Thirsty now, off to pub.
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7There's a program for that.
- sexycommando, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7From the article:
"People who bought wine at the store were also more likely to buy more olives, fruits and vegetables, fish, lean meats and dairy products than beer consumers did, said the study.
Beer buyers were more likely to buy frozen dinners, cold cuts, pork, mutton, crisps, sugary products, butter, margarine and soft drinks. "
Lot of factors going on here. Like you guys said, wine drinkers are wealthier and eat healthier. This isn't always because wine is cheaper, because I hear in some countries like Australia, wine is cheaper than bottled water due to overproduction. I think it's because wine matches with healthier foods. Wine itself also also has antioxidants, which prevent cancer. - suprchunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5False.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=antioxidants+in+beer&spell=1 - gleem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Bah....
at least there are more beer games to play (beer pong, quarters, etc) than wine games. - lejohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually, the data on the benefits of drinking wine varies,depend on which type of wine, the consumption level, genders, etc., depend on the researchers you talk to. Some says red wine lower your cholesterol level, while other studies argue drinking red wine cause esophageal cancer. Keep in mind that is the same red wine that we are talking about. The data on wines are very conflicting; do a search on PubMed and you will see what I am talking about. They all say one thing one day and retract the next. There are so many factors involve that in the end of the day, you thought you know so much but you still know nothing...
- watchdogtimer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Let me rephrase
I much prefer fermented food A over fermented food B, and if you don't, you suck - LowRentDiggs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"The casual link isn't what food goes with beer vs wine, but rather who buys beer and crappy food or wine and fancy food."
Vegetables and lean meats don't cost more than a frozen dinner. Some of the wealthiest people I know are beer and fast food eaters while some of the people who struggle the most are wine and veggies type people. I grew up in the South and pretty much every drinker drank cheap beer or bourbon. That has begun to change some lately but wine drinkers are still the rare exception there, regardless of wealth.
Buying good food and wine isn't that expensive, it's just more effort than picking up a 6 pack and a hungry man. That makes it a lifestyle decision, not a financial one. - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Anrkist
Well, they do smell like grapes. - theturnmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3people get paid to do these studies? I mean, how obvious is this?
- serpentor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@abadinalbany - Oh I don't drink any juice that contains HF corn syrup, only 100% juice. It's the Newman's stuff from Costco, not sure about organic, but no corn syrup.
- jasmin888, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Almost everything is obvious in retrospect.
Before this study it was a big question why moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers. Of course, it didn't surprise that they live longer than more serious drinkers.
It was also surprising that wine drinkers live longer than beer drinkers. That's why there's been all this about red wine possessing some mysterious healing properties. - kmedlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Keep in mind that Wine can also pair well with backyard cookout meals...
For example...
Syrah + Burgers w/ Crumbled Blue Cheese is a good pairing.
or for the white wine drinkers
Pinot Grigio + Grilled Chicken Marinaded in Italian Dressing
Both of those meals are very cheap to purchase and pretty common background cook-out main courses! So not all wine drinkers are out eating top class cuts of meat with the freshest vegetables all the time.
I have to agree the article is probably more accurate is saying that wealthier people in America live longer than poorer people. The idea that Wine or Beer or anything like that shows any causality for longer life is pretty obsurd considering some of the oldest people in the world live in developing nations or in near nomadic cultures.
In the United States, it's more likely that you'll live longer if you're wealthier because you probably have pretty good Health Insurance whereas poorer Americans tend not to have any insurance at all. Preventative medical care and checkups are all shown to dramatically improve lifespan. So those without access to what should be a basic service in the USA are at a severe disadvantage unfortunately. - serpentor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hells yeah, I go through two gallons of grape juice a week, hooray living forever!
Can you get diabetes from drinking too much grape juice? - wqwert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3ice cream sales cause drowning too!
- weister42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Who wants to do a winebong?
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4That whole 'fresh stuff costs less than frozen meals' thing is bull, at least where I live.
Absolutely no argument that fresh stuff is infinitely tastier and better for you mind, but at my local supermarket I can pick up 5 frozen meals for £3. The meat alone to make ONE of them myself would cost that much - userundefine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No. Healthier is an adjective.
- ponzudigital, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@spudnic
You should break down the cost sometime and see what you're really getting. It is unlikely that a processed frozen dinner, with marketing, packaging and transportation costs, can cost less than the raw ingredients that go into it. Frozen dinners are usually a very small portion of meat and vegetables and you're comparing that 1/8 lb portion to the cost of 1 lb of meat and vegetables. Usually corn, rice or potatoes make up the bulk of the package and they're dirt cheap.
Your scenario may be the case in a few cities in the world where population outstrips the ability to supply vegetables, but I'd have to see that to believe it. I doubt many people would be buying beer or wine in those places anyway. - ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@serpentor: yes, especially if it's the typical processed crap you get in the store, not "all-natural" "organic" etc. The processed crap has higher levels of High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) which is like diabetes' best friend.
- jasmin888, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Anrkist
I guess you're a wine drinker since you know? - b612, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3this doesn't make sense (although i am just going off the title) because every wine or beer drinker i know, myself included, likes both wine and beer. I love a good bottle of wine but i love a good craft beer and a good draft beer. Ever been to Belgium, beer there is treated like wine is in France. Maybe Bud Light drinkers are less healthy then wine drinkers but Beer is becoming more and more like wine, with people going on beer tasting tours to small breweries etc...
- radio4fan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Like a wino?
- e808, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly. I think by "beer", the article was referring to beer in the American Lite Lager class. Marked as inaccurate.
- iamdegenatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Only because the demographics show that rich people, who are able to afford better healthcare, tend to drink more wine than poor people who cannot afford the same healthcare.
- Smeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe because wine drinkers are, in general, wealthier than beer drinkers.
- jspegele, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1more healthily != healthier
healthily = level headed, the original article used the wrong word. - Jebrooks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Healthier?
- unicronband, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ kmedlin
Don't forget chardonnay and buttered popcorn. - atanu2531, on 12/01/2009, -0/+1yes...but none of em is good for health......... :)
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@serpentor: not as bad then, but still, high in sugar. natural sugars tend to be safer than refined sugars, but still, sugar is sugar.
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It strikes me as odd that the angle on it was that if you buy wine then all these other things are more likely, rather than the other things being why you buy wine.
But that could be the fault of the journalist who wrote the article rather than the people conducting the study.
Having said that, they call themselves 'Alcohol researchers', which screams 'wine manufacturer marketing department' to me; so it could very well be their deliberate spin - AlKo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"lean meats and dairy products"
Yup... some nice Italian cold cuts, bread, and cheese. That's totally stereotypical... and no doubt pretty much true. Just like other people have said, fried food and beer go great together.
They should break the study down by income level, education level, etc. since, like other people are commenting... there's are probably bigger factors at play.
I'm sure for Danes the demographics are different than the US. I was under the impression that beer was even more of a common beverage than Coke so you'd be sampling more of the general population and the wine drinkers are probably a different set of the population. I guess there's only so much you can get from grocery receipts. - ponzudigital, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@spudnic
You should break down the cost sometime and see what you're really getting. It is unlikely that a processed frozen dinner, with marketing, packaging and transportation costs, can cost less than the raw ingredients that go into it. Frozen dinners are usually a very small portion of meat and vegetables and you're comparing that 1/8 lb portion to the cost of 1 lb of meat and vegetables. Usually corn, rice or potatoes make up the bulk of the package and they're dirt cheap.
Your scenario may be the case in a few cities in the world where population outstrips the ability to supply vegetables, but I'd have to see that to believe it. I doubt many people would be buying beer or wine in those places anyway. - sysera, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Eh, I've been known to enjoy my stuffed crust pizza with a nice pinot and enjoy a nice plate of olives with my lager.
- jonathono2000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I drank wine and beer last night and I bet I was happier than anyone that drank just either, but not really, I am pretty much a loser.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can provide an example of why this is the case. I drink beer and wine and I also eat unhealthy and healthy things. I'm guessing there are a lot of people who live like this.
- Brodels, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1when was the last time you saw a bum drinking a glass of wine?
- lostspyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can buy a can of maddog for 3$
- cvweiss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not if us beer drinkers are kicking their pansy asses
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