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- Duositex, on 10/12/2007, -5/+132"massive cold snap hitting the nation right now"
I believe what you are referring to is what meteorologists call "winter". - spookyttws, on 10/12/2007, -11/+110I literally have no idea what you are trying to say. But I think it's offensive to me.
- kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -30/+106James Kim took his clothes, and formed an arrow using those clothes pointing to where his car broke down, and where his family was located. So that if rescue workers found him before his family, they would know where to look. Knowing he would most likely die at the time he did this, it was his last brave, unselfish act of sacrafice and love to try and save his family.
- Snokage, on 10/12/2007, -6/+52so next time i should just keep my clothes on....
- chowderdick, on 10/12/2007, -7/+48Why does a rational comment get dugg down and a totally lame, and entirely speculative get heaped praise?
- chowderdick, on 10/12/2007, -6/+37He took his clothes off... that is evidence. What he was thinking when he took his clothes off... entirely speculative.
- dralezero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22"If ones clothing becomes wet the cooling effect of evaporation can greatly increase the chance of someone becoming hypothermic."
Well there is a good reason to remove some clothes. - SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21basically the article says "because at this point, your f*cked anyways so it doesn't matter"
- inmatarian, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27Because _when_ hypothermia starts to set in people start to feel insanely _hot_. It's how James Kim died.
Proof read before you press submit. And yes, that is how James Kim died, god rest his soul. A quick RTFA would tell you that your limbs start burning glucose to tighten up the blood vessels and restrict blood flow, so the muscles feel very hot, with no flow to transfer that heat to the rest of the body. - funkspiel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17If I ever need to remember this, I'm *****. Thanks.
- ThinkingMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21Last unselfish act? James Kim made a huge series of blunders that put his family in danger. It's really too bad that people don't realize that there are real patches of wilderness in the United States. They seem to think everything is a city. Had James followed basic survival rules, he would be alive today. As far I as I am concerned he has no one to blame but himself
- yomomo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14you forget that nothing exists until it makes the front page of digg.
- n9e9o9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Meat from the article:
As your body becomes colder it shunts blood away from your extremities and into your warm core. This is why your feet and hands will often become cold first when in a cold environment.
Shunting blood to your core and away from your extremities is accomplished through vasoconstriction of your peripheral circulation. This allows the outer portions of your body to become better at insulating your core since it is loosing less heat to the outside world.
And now the key to what causes paradoxical undressing. Vasoconstriction is done by the smooth muscles within the vasculature. This effort requires a steady input of energy in the form of glucose from the bodies energy stores. However, due to a lack of blood now traveling to these muscles, they eventually tire. As the muscles of the constricted blood vessels run out of energy they fatigue, relax, and open up, which is known as vasodilation.
With vasodilation of the blood vessels, an infusion of warm blood from the core of the body rushes into the peripheral extremities. This causes the hypothermia victim to feel warm and to start shedding layers of clothing.
The victims warm blood rushing from their core coupled with the removal of warm clothing causes their body temperature to quickly drop even further. This serves to hasten death from hypothermia and another case of paradoxical undressing. - empeethree, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17fat chicks need lovin' too
- Switchfoot, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17@dangermouse9: Thank you for that absolutely tasteless comment. Your sense of humor is a paragon of humanity.
- reb42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10this has been known for a long time... it's not FINALLY discovered
- randf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11you're having a massive cold snap? that's what happens when you don't pay your global warming bill
- shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7To sum it up:
They feel really really hot in their extremities. - Cenobite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Maybe someone reading this article will recall it if they're ever snowbound and start feeling unnaturally hot, then resist the strong urge to shed their warm clothes. Then they might become the FIRST person to reach this stage of hypothermia and survive.
Thanks, Internet! - venir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually that is exactly what it does. Your extremities feel very warm all of a sudden but your core is losing heat at an even faster pace. Then you are very close to death.
- kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@rickpelletier:
If I recall correctly, he was found around 11 or 12 miles from his car. He walked that distance on foot, through snow, in the cold. I'm reasonably healthy and in decent shape, and that's further than I probably could have gotten. - dudinatrix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Soo... I assume if you're experiencing the desire to remove your clothes when its obviously freezing.. you're supposed to suffer through the "heat" and keep all your layers on?
- underthelinux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@empeethree
Yeah, they do. But they gotta pay. - Badblake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This article reminded me of those old Pop-tart commercials. "So Hot they're Cool, So Cool they're hot."
- KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow, Pile, you're totally right!
And what's even more amazing is that *you've* survived this long. - jaknet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4To everyone commenting about this not being new. You are all correct. I have been teaching first aid for over 10 years and this was not "new" knowledge then.
To put is very quickly
When you get cold your body stores heat in the core by reducing blood flow to the extremities and skin. If you get too cold / too long then your body basically gives up as it cannot maintain the core temp any more. At this point the blood flow restriction stops, allowing all the warm blood back to the extremities and skin, hence making you feel suddenly very warm. Yes at this point you do not have very long to go at all. - chihsuanmen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Finally there is an answer why..."
This has been known for a long time, well, at least six years (which is when I learned it). This is taught in any SOLO W-FA, W-FR, W-EMT course. The curious thing about hypothermia is that affects the brain in the same manner alcohol does. First you lose your judgment (I'm not really cold / I'm not really drunk) and ultimately, your vital organs begin shutting down due to the shock involved.
...it's also funny to think that too much hypothermia and too much alcohol can lead to nakedness. I suppose in alcohol's case it's sometimes good whereas in hypothermia's case it's always bad. - mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yeah..... I guess, will it blend? And pics or it didn't happen. In soviet russia ..
- resplence, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Well this article sucked.
If I were ever freezing to death and all of a sudden I started to feel warmth again, I would imagine something wonderful was happening, start to feel elated and most likely die happy, thinking I was gonna make it. Now I know that it actually means sure death. I will probably start running in circles spiraling towards my early grave, regretting the entire course of my life and having horrific hallucinations. - ardarvin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"...become better at insulating your core since it is loosing less heat to the outside world."
DAMMIT IT'S LOSING, NOT LOOSING! The number of times I read "loosing" on digg would make me think that most of its readers live in a country that puts more emphasis on a war they have no right being in over education in their own country...oh wait. - rickpelletier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@kent1146
I believe he walked a TOTAL of 11 or 12 miles, but he did a big loop, and ended up only a couple of miles from the car.
"Kim likely never knew his journey brought him in a loop nearly back to his family."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-12-07-kim_x.htm?csp=1
Again, not trying to say anything bad about Mr Kim... - Duositex, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Why is he dugg down? He has a point.. nothing says you can't have paradoxical undressing and a rational mind at the same time.
- screensnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@inmatarian
You should reread the article. You aren't totally off-base, but you are definitely wrong (according to TFA). - Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Which is why I found it weird that it says, "Email this Survival Topic to a Friend", at the top of the article: how will this help them, if nobody who has reached that stage has ever survived?
- Giever, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Carlos, or should I say, Ned Mencia, is, first of all, really not funny, and second of all, a plagiarist. I really hate it when people who like his stuff think that the reason people don't like it is because they "can't handle it" or some such. This isn't exactly what you're doing, but I don't really care.
- Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Kramer: "I fell asleep in the hot tub, spent half the night in there. I'm having trouble getting my core temperature back up."
Jerry: "Pfffft, core temperature." - deviouster, on 10/12/2007, -35/+37James Kim most likely did this. Yup. That's why his jeans were found in the snow.
Good article, btw. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2it's pretty badly written -- i mean, clarifying that you know what 'hypothermia' means before smacking you in the face with a load of technical terms -- but it's right. anyway, enough of james kim. we've had enough tragedies since then. we've also had enough articles that explain this process and more.
- bigdt87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Indeed...if your clothes are wet in a situation like that, you need to get out of them fast, start a fire and warm yourself.
- chowderdick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2that's how i took it... it's kinda like saying that your blood flow stops after your heart ceases to beat... following decapitation
- ah802, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1On a 100 mile trip in sub zero temps on the back of a motorcycle, stopping for a coffee that I couldn't hold...(convulsions and uncontrolled movement) waited 5 minutes before continuing and found myself warmer than a summer day, but I knew better. Took me three days of bed to recoup after that one... I had to be borderline frozen.
- febryle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Finally there is an answer why...."
Umm, no...it's very basic vascular biology that any first year medical student learns. - kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Why does a rational comment get dugg down and a totally lame, and entirely speculative get heaped praise?"
"James Kim most likely did this. Yup. That's why his jeans were found in the snow."
How is "most likely did this... that's why XYZ" NOT speculative? By your logic, deviouster has no idea WHY Mr. Kim took his jeans off, just like I have no evidence as to WHY he formed an arrow with his clothes. Deviouster and I are equally speculative and equally (ir)rational by making comments about the most likely explanation for a set of actions. - idonthack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If you ever need to remember this, you will probably be too out of it to realize what's going on anyways. I was hypothermic to this point once and even though I knew about the process I was just glad to be warm. I even told the people trying to help me to ***** off, which is really out of character for me.
- sprocketjockey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We call something similar to this "Firehands" when you are outside and your hands are freezing, but you are still using them. Then suddenly after a short while your hands are burning hot and quite painful; sometimes will make you vomit.
- nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Even if they did, at that point (vasodilation) I think you wouldn't last long even if you managed to keep your clothes on.
- elsupergringo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is spam. What they want you to look at are the ads on the left and right of the page. People, please understand a heck of a lot of these bloggish front page stories on digg are just spam! Bury this!
If you want knowledge about hypothermia just do some googling. Interestly enough "paradoxical undressing" results in a whole bunch of blog links... coincidence? - nepawoods, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"To everyone commenting about this not being new. You are all correct."
Yes, you are right about that - they are correct. - Nordiggity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why Do People Remove Their Warm Clothing as They Freeze to Death?
If the clothes were warm then they wouldn't be freezing to death....duh. - mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://duggmirror.com
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