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- reeds1999, on 09/06/2009, -9/+65If the Public Option is negotiated away, there will be no reform, just a huge windfall for the insurance industry. Premiums will continue to increase driving more and more American jobs overseas, and benefits will continue to decrease killing more and more Americans.
- Shadic, on 09/06/2009, -8/+54*****. So they're listening to the people who have stated their goal is to kill the bill regardless of the content, and ignoring those who voted them in in the first place.
Thanks!
Edit: As homercles337 said in a reply above me: The Public Option WAS the compromise. For *****'s sake, that was what was brought up instead of Single-Payer.
Get a pair, Democrats, Christ. - Maynza, on 09/06/2009, -5/+48If the public option goes away we end up with a bill nobody wants.
- apothekari, on 09/06/2009, -1/+36I totally agree... If the Democrats want to take my vote for granted I'll just stay the ***** home on election day.
You want to promise change and then do nothing for the middle and lower classes?
Go ahead you idiots and see what ***** happens.
I am just about half -past give a ***** with the Democratic party's fun and games.
You screw us over in favor of those corporate slavers and see what happens to you in 2010 & 2012...***** idiots. - elliotys, on 09/06/2009, -5/+31So pretty much the Whitehouse is losing this fight. They have allowed a sidelined, and disfunctional party to control the dialogue the whole time. Instead of going on the offensive, and taking the time to explain why the reform is critical, they sat back and tried to defend against the outrageous claims the right was propagating. I hope we get the reform we need, but this is a good lesson in politics for Obama. We need an aggressive leader to take on the special interests in this country, not one who is trying to make everyone happy.
- homercles337, on 09/06/2009, -10/+35Yep, thats all this administration wants to do is compromise, compromise, and then cave in to the shrill right that are too stupid to see that they are tools. Single payer is the only thing that will truly work in this country, that was the first thing taken off the table. The public option IS the compromise and he wants to take that off the table too? This administration should take a play from the repug play book. Remember that gigantic tax cut they gave the wealthy and corporations? Absolutely disastrous to this country, but they got it through. Now, along comes something that will benefit every citizen and this Democratic administration wants to cave in to these ***** *****? This is not the man i voted for...
- ralph123, on 09/06/2009, -6/+31Total spending on health care, per person, 2007:
United States: $7290
United Kingdom: $2992
Average of OECD developed nations: $2964
Japan: $2581
http://www.oecd.org/document/16/0,3343,en_2649_346 ... - ChuckDees, on 09/06/2009, -5/+29This will be nice.
A mandate to carry insurance but no mechanism to push insurance companies to lower their rates.
Score one for big business nothing for the citizen.
It really is hard to tell the difference between the Republicrats anymore.
Except for all the rednecks who think any Dem is a socialist. - orbish, on 09/06/2009, -0/+24Negotiating this away will lose my vote in 2012.
- TobiasParker, on 09/06/2009, -2/+21If they remove the public option i am pretty much done with politics in this country. I will never vote democrat again, that is for sure.
- TMLF, on 09/06/2009, -1/+19Once again the Democrats manage to lose despite their overwhelming majorities in government. I'll never understand how they manage to do this. Losing my vote in 2012 if this happens.
- homercles337, on 09/06/2009, -15/+32"These ***** are the ideological opposites of everything that made America great...."
No, you are. You are just too stupid, selfish, and damaged psychologically to see it. - corvin, on 09/06/2009, -8/+22What the hell happened to using reconciliation?
So what if it'll get republicans angry? F*ck em. How about the dems pass a bill that'll help people? If some don't like it too bad.
That's the only way they'll keep their seats or even gain seats the next election. I disagree too much with Republicans to vote for them; but with democrats not able to pass any significant legislation, I'm serioulsy considering to just sit out next election.
If dems don't want to pass a meaningful bill. They won't get my vote. It's not like they can accomplish anything with a majority anyways. - mikedoth, on 09/06/2009, -2/+15Agreed.
Change, please. - theDashRendar, on 09/06/2009, -5/+18Yes, lazy worthless people are the ones who want universal health care... *eye roll*
Lazy worthless people like Doctors, for example: http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN314 ...
Universal Health care is the system that the people want, it's the system the doctors want, it's the system the rest of the developed world has (in one form or another) and loves. - SteveMTyler, on 09/06/2009, -5/+17I hope this is a trial balloon and they find out pretty quick that they will not get away with taking democratic votes, then caving to every single stupid republican demand to appear bipartisian.
Where is the bipartanship on the GOP side? - ChuckDees, on 09/06/2009, -4/+15They should have pushed for single payer from the start.
It had 60% approval in polling till this summer.
Then when all the astro turfing started they could have used the public option as a plan B.
Then it would have been seen as a welcome compromise.
The Republicans do not want to even discuss co op plans.
I think all insurance companies should be forced into non profit status no wall street or investors.
Seems wall street is always driving up costs for things they have no hand in creating from fuel/oil to health care. - RobertWright, on 09/06/2009, -1/+10Here's ABC's Report:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=850347 ... - Ghostwo, on 09/06/2009, -3/+12Insurance companies pov:
47 million without healthcare = huge untapped market
<<halfass legislation requiring insurance purchase with no public option>>
18% increase in customer base! Woot!
All these people who couldn't afford insurance before will now be required to buy insurance anyway. What happens if they can't pay? Fined? Jailed? All that's going to come out of this is forcing everyone to pay money to a corporate cabal, allowing them to increase premiums at will without any risk of losing customers. Just watch. In two years they'll all be reporting record profits, just like the oil companies did during the supposed 'shortage'. These are profits given to share holders, not 'medical research' like the occasional digger seems to believe (insurance pays care providers, not researchers). By some estimates, 30% of every insurance dollar is profit. That's ~6% of GDP padding the pockets of insurance companies alone. Now it's going up to 8%. - zeabu, on 09/06/2009, -2/+11Any reliable source on this?
- inactive, on 09/06/2009, -3/+12obama better not back down on the public option. the compromise, trigger plan is just a win for the insurance companies.
we voted for change, please change the system. - funkeepickle, on 09/06/2009, -2/+10It's funny because you have no idea what socialism actually is.
- ChuckDees, on 09/06/2009, -5/+13How come in Florida when that state regulated judgment awards.
Malpractice insurance rates kept climbing for doctors? - inactive, on 09/06/2009, -2/+10@strobe33333
Seriously go back to school you moron. - strobe33333, on 09/06/2009, -3/+11they've been absent "a pair" for a long time now but nobody who voted for Obama seems to remember that.... They didn't even bother to write a decent piece of legislation with HR3200 in the first place. Read it for yourself. I found this earlier and dugg it. Seems like a decent place to get some kind of relatively neutral take on the bill. http://www.newhealthcareplan.com What's going to happen is they're going to ditch this bill in the last week of session, and ram through a completely different bill full of special interest *****, just like everyone else who writes law in congress, and we're gonna get stuck with a behemoth failure.
- nicktx, on 09/06/2009, -1/+9Ah, the standard Republican call for tort reform. In other words, give corporations even more power to trample all over ordinary Americans. This is not about doctor malpractice lawsuits despite what you might have been made to believe. It's about the mega-corporations and not just in the health care field. And it's wasn't lawyers that brought the economy to the brink of collapse unless you include Bush's "legal" counsel. It was some of the same corporations who spend hundreds of millions lobbying against effective regulation and oversight. "Tort reform" is simply code for tipping the scales even more against the individual and in favor of big business.
- homercles337, on 09/06/2009, -1/+8Ha ha, stupidonfacts, you need to do some research. Many studies have shown that tort reform does not reduce health care costs. In addition, opening up health insurance to interstate competition will turn their industry into the CC industry where ONE repug friendly state (usually VERY low in population) removes taxes and regulation, thereby attracting ALL the providers to one place. That is like throwing gasoline on the fire. Deregulation can work in some industries, but this is one where is most definitely will not work. We already have a model--CC companies. Where do you get this *****? I know you repugs like to think that your reduce tax, deregulate, "free market" rhetoric will always work, but we have so many examples of where it does not that its disturbing that you guys keep wheeling out that nonsense.
- SteveMTyler, on 09/06/2009, -8/+15You know most bankruptcies are due to medial conditions from people who have insurance?
You can be king-*****-capitalism riding high, get cancer due to unregulated environmental conditions, get your health care canceled (or, more likely, hit the maximum payout), then die bankrupt. An example of the evil that permeates the insurance industry. - inactive, on 09/06/2009, -2/+9@typicaldiggeral
reported for being a moron. - VogonPoet, on 09/06/2009, -2/+9Gotta a link for "doctors are rushing here in droves" comment Ryan, or are you just talking out your ass again?
- elliotys, on 09/06/2009, -2/+8You've missed the whole point. Why do we need private insurance companies? We don't. All insurance is, is a risk pool. However unlike car and house insurance, where people have the choice to own either of those commodities, everybody who is born has a life, and healthcare becomes a common human need. Currently the private insurance industry has become a such a bloated beuracracy that it makes the government look streamlined. Then you read the statistics that most insurance companies spend only 60% of every dollar they recieve on healthcare, the rest goes to marketing, sales, and salaries. Thats where the sky-rocketing costs come in. The fact is, is that the medical industry is supporting a whole other industry that does nothing but suck money from the patients and medical professionals.
- homercles337, on 09/06/2009, -3/+9You are aware that this whole "government == inefficiency" claim has been debunked time and and time again, right? Just because the repugs refuse to govern with a soul does not mean the entire system is inefficient. Do some homework and stop parroting lies.
- inactive, on 09/06/2009, -1/+7thats a good idea. make health insurance companies become non-profits!
take the wallstreet out of it. its the only way to save the healthcare system.
greed and compassion are not compatible. - duke, on 09/06/2009, -0/+6It DID start with tort reform, back in the late 1980s. You voted the dems out of office during the post-Reagan Gingrich era, and you pushed through a bunch of tax cuts right around the same time. So, you've crossed all this off your list and guess what -- all of the newly degregulated financial institutions turned around and screwed us, and then went belly up, and all the tax cuts and other reforms didn't trickle down like Reagan and Thatcher promised.
Tried all that -- didn't work. We got screwed, your turn is over. We trusted you with the matches and you burned down the house. Time to put the regulations back in place, and stop trusting that those with a profit motive will magically take care of issues that aren't profit driven. Thanks for making all of us the guinea pigs of your voodoo economics. - ChuckDees, on 09/06/2009, -1/+7It is how it is done in France Germany and Japan.
I think the Swiss also use this plan.
There is no public health care. It is all private insurance, but it is universal and it is run at cost.
It is cheap and affordable and there is no denial of care to make the bottom line look better for investors. - inactive, on 09/06/2009, -4/+9@abw19872
No this about corporate interests getting you the simple minded moron to protect their profit gauging.
way to make yourself a tool. - homercles337, on 09/07/2009, -0/+5What the ***** is wrong with the both of you? How much choice do you have now? Do you know what OPTION means? *****, its right there in the ***** title of the plan--PUBLIC OPTION. *****, trying to communicate with you dopes *is* like trying to have a conversation with a dining room table. Do you either of you have insurance now? Have either of you ever had health problems? Have either of you known anyone with health problems? Have either of you had a family member with a health ailment? Apparently the both of you make 7 figure salaries because that is the only demographic with a real choice. Didnt your ultra-wealthy parents teach you empathy?
- fishbeef33, on 09/06/2009, -0/+4I'm beginning to feel that *shudder* the conservatives were right on one point. Obama's just a talker. But when push comes to shove, he'll fold faster than a lawn chair.
I don't regret my vote because he was still better than the alternative, but I regret the wasted 4 years this will be. - Moralogic, on 09/06/2009, -1/+5And you hit the nail on the head on many of the problems we are facing. Instead of money going into research, it is going to greedy bastards and some people who just want an honest return on their investment, but are getting way more than they should. So what if you put caps and rules on these companies, caps on how much they can pay different employees, and rules on how they are allowed to run their business. Some of them may very well be ran into the ground, mostly for not restructuring, trying to prove a point and get people against the government. A required % of profits going directly into research.
- ErickStevenson, on 09/06/2009, -4/+8YOU DAMN LIBERALS! Accept your faith and die like a man, in your house without care... who needs insurance anyway? And if you can't afford it tough luck, you don't deserve it... Insurance is not a right, its a privilege, thank goodness I have a job, unlike you lazy ass liberals... go cry me a river... get out of AMERICA if your too lazy to work. Maybe Putin has a job for you, damn COMMIES! And read a ***** bible, if you find Jesus, he can cure all diseases... no need for ***** health care. I can't wait until 2012 comes so I can vote for Palin.... dumb ***** immigrants...
- ChuckDees, on 09/06/2009, -1/+5Also a link for the lowering of malpractice insurance in TX.
That happened because of capping tort judgments. - duke, on 09/06/2009, -3/+7The US military's health care is inefficient??? That's news to me. I haven't heard the senators and representatives bitching about the health coverage the government provides them. Wouldn't they privatize their own insurance if it were as inefficient as you say?
I think the article points out that the insurers don't like it because they can't compete -- doesn't sound to me like government inefficiency.
I don't know, I guess you call it inefficient when a sustainable program has treatments that are cheaper and claims that aren't denied. If that's "inefficient" in your book, then yep, that's what I want. I guess what you mean is that it's inefficient at lining shareholders' pockets and paying outrageous salaries and benefits to corporate officers.
I remember all this rhetoric about less government and deregulation coming right before the banks and S&Ls and investments were deregulated. Worked great for us, didn't it, sport? - Moralogic, on 09/06/2009, -1/+5apothekari
We need to vote for people who are not part of the main 2 parties if we are not going to bother voting because of both parties being a piece of ***** and not presenting a real candidate. - Propethic, on 09/07/2009, -1/+5"left-overs" meaning "majority"
- inactive, on 09/07/2009, -1/+5haha. Naive? You really need to go down to the book store and get an adult age American History book. America became great when people had community and followed fair trade and law, and AMERICAN MONEY! But corporations have ganged up against their AMerica. Cuba literally ***** pays $2 dollars for what I pay $34 for. America sold its soul to bankers Federal Reserve, Central Banks, ect.. Something the founding fathers fought against.
1. the poorest people do the most work but the its yuppie ***** like you who see all the benefits.
2. Why? Because its a system if credit, and people with co-signers or their parents sponsored credit get what they need FROM THE START, including medicine.
3. Credit was not an American value. We are all owned by the Federal Reserve, a private bank, and in DEBT FOREVER. So why not be healthy? Clinton actually "balanced" it but then Bush spent the balance on wars -- go figure.
4. I already pay for people to go to the ***** mooon and shoot at goat farmers with flying robotic planes in the ***** desserts of god knows where, now we're lazy because we want some of it to actually benefit us?!!!! What THE *****!
5. Take take take take, and call it Patriotism. As long as the takers have what they need. Thats not American. It's Roman.
6. To care for the sick and mentally sick actually goes back to the books of Moses. So its not a new concept of socialism.
You know what a great old fashion American would do to a guy like you? He'd put a ***** six-shooter in your mouth and take your ***** money, rape your whore of a wife, and then go to the doctor because he earned it. YOU LIVE OFF THE PROTECTION OF A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT RUN POLICE FORCE. You benifit off the sweat of people born to lessor fortunes.
NEVER CALL YOURSELF A TRUE AMERICAN MOTHER ***** - elliotys, on 09/07/2009, -1/+5Actually what has been revealed is that the Republicans and special interests will do anything to sabotage his presidency/america. The Republicans know we need healthcare reform, but also realize that if Obama succeeds it means an automatic re-election. Their stalling and criticism of the plan has nothing to do with the substance of the plan, and everything to do with them wanting Obama to fail.
Unfortunately this is just politics in America now. The republicans and democrats both operate like private businesses now, so its really nothing personal and neither side takes it that way (unfortunately for the american people). It's like they are playing a serious game of chess, and despite whoever wins, they are both going out to get drinks afterwards and laugh about it all. - SteveMTyler, on 09/06/2009, -2/+6thats right dude, I just disagree with the gop notion that the government is always bad. I don't think the private sector can be trusted to protect the environment or maintain product/food safety standards.
Can the government be better at it? Yes. - 41k1d0k4, on 09/06/2009, -1/+5We taxpayers already fund GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE. It kills me that people don't know this.
TRICARE
US Govt run health care system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRICARE - bipolarruledout, on 09/07/2009, -2/+6I wish the US would stop negotiating with terrorists.
- Propethic, on 09/07/2009, -2/+6he's wrong in singling out 2 groups he knows absolutely nothing about
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