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- d2002, on 11/20/2008, -4/+85Great, if this makes it to the front page the vitamins won't even have any placebo effect.
- ThatsNotPoetry, on 11/20/2008, -2/+70Was I suppose to assume all this time that my daily multivitamin would prevent cancer and/or heart disease? Since when was this supposedly common knowledge? That's retarded. That's not what vitamins do.
- jasdf, on 11/20/2008, -0/+61I still think vitamins are important for us college students who eat like crap.
- jotux, on 11/20/2008, -0/+42Or a Centaur!
- SkippyDoorknob, on 11/20/2008, -2/+23Only if you're a fish
- BOFH139, on 11/20/2008, -7/+27No study after study funded by and edited in favour of pharmaceutical company's
- timothycrash01, on 11/20/2008, -4/+20This article is horrible. In one sentence they say 'vitamins are essential to life', then say 'certain vitamins may help protect cancer cells', and then to also allude to the fact that unhealthy individuals (usually ones with vitamin deficient diets) are far more prone to cancer. This is just ridiculous.
Get your ***** together people for ***** sake. Admit it! You have no idea what you're talking about, and you shouldn't be releasing any information till you have a clear and totally conclusive answer. Even if that takes 50 years. You have a population of millions who have no idea what the ***** is going on 'cause everytime there's a new study everyone jumps to different conclusions.
Here's some facts - we're living organisms that require nutrients to survive. Tell tale signs of deficiency are limbs falling off, skin turning yellow, going blind, murderous rampages, etc.
God damn this ***** makes me angry. This last sentence takes the cake:
"Despite a lack of evidence that vitamins actually work, consumers appear largely unwilling to give them up. Many readers of the Well blog say the problem is not the vitamin but poorly designed studies that use the wrong type of vitamin, setting the vitamin up to fail. Industry groups such as the Council for Responsible Nutrition also say the research isn’t well designed to detect benefits in healthy vitamin users."
Just put a gun to your head and end it. Lol. - DrDigg, on 11/21/2008, -1/+14As a doctor I am curious what an assistant doctor is?
Also unfortunately the vitamin industry (a multi-billion dollar industry itself) has lobbied hard to stay unregulated so we never truly know the contents of the vitamins we buy (or recommend). Until they become an industry willing to agree to quality control and scientific investigation the vitamin industry will remain a quandary. - 8ight, on 11/20/2008, -4/+17As a vegetarian I tend to think my body misses out on a lot of nutrients it should be getting, like iron. I take two a day (they recommend three a day, but I can't afford that) and could not say if I feel better because of them... but feel better about myself taking them. I take Nature's Plus Source of Life Multi with Iron which I found at a tiny health food store. I now buy them from Amazon at a much cheaper price.
And as Bukowsky says... Vitamin E & C? That's not all these supplements offer.
Plus it makes my pee neon yellow... and that is awesome. - markosfunk, on 11/20/2008, -3/+16Funny, I remember just reading online yesterday that consuming extra Vitamin D supplements daily supposedly reduces cancer and heart disease risks by more than 20 percent. I think this article focused a little too much on E and C. Still, this news plus the ginko biloba placebo are gonna cause a drop in sales for gnc and the likes.
- bimtott, on 11/20/2008, -1/+14how?
- Gerbil_Juice, on 11/20/2008, -0/+12I think you're confusing a small number of the total number of liberals with the entire group.
- jazino, on 11/20/2008, -2/+14Very misleading title. I bet most will take this to mean multi-vitamins do no good which is ridiculous. And it really depends on what your body needs and whether or not the supplement you are taking provides it to you.
- jkahrs595, on 11/20/2008, -6/+17Taking a pill every day that isn't treating anything in specific never sounded like a good idea to me.
- monkeybusiness, on 11/21/2008, -1/+11"The Journal of Clinical Oncology published a study of 540 patients with head and neck cancer who were being treated with radiation therapy. Vitamin E reduced side effects, but cancer recurrence rates among the vitamin users were higher, although the increase didn’t reach statistical significance."
"...DIDN'T REACH STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE..."
That means the study didn't show anything ans should not be used to show anything. The rest of the article may have a point but this part is just poor journalism praying of the fears and misunderstandings of the public.
Disappointing that the NYT would let someone with such a poor grasp of science/statistics write an entry based on science and statistics.... - Atomic05, on 11/20/2008, -0/+10Agreed. My diet is mostly crap and its hard to afford healthier stuff. A box of multi-vitamins is a cheap and effective supplement.
- Sroek, on 11/20/2008, -12/+21This article is propaganda. Look up Codex Alimentarius, they're trying to outlaw vitamins, herbs and other natural substances and remedies in favor of genetically modified food. It's a form of eugenics.
They want to corrupt the biochemistry of future generations for a more docile populous. I urge you all to awake from your slumber. - frazw, on 11/21/2008, -2/+10The problem is can we believe you? You are trying to promote and get people to believe in vitamins so you could want to discredit the opposing research. Incidentally that is exactly what you accuse the pharmaceutical companies of. Do you sell these compounds?
How can I believe either of you? Metastudies exist which support vitamin use and some exist which say they are useless or harmful.
I think we probably get what we need from food provided our diet is varied enough. Excessive use is likely to be just as harmful as deficiency.
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison…." Paracelsus (1493-1541) - greenlight2001, on 11/21/2008, -1/+9Wrong. Humans DO NOT eat like we used to. Take vitmain D for example, how many people eat organ meats? How many people eat animal skin? This is where you will find the highest levels of vitamin D in a food source. Humans used to eat these things, we don't anymore. Now look at sunlight, how many hours do we get compared to 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? Even when we DO get plenty of sunlight, studies have shown that not everyone makes enough vitamin D from it. I do blood tests on people everyday checking for vitamin D levels and I see maybe 1 person per month with adequate levels. We have essentially removed the 2 greatest sources of vitamin D from our life. Vitamin D is a hormone, used all over the body. Almost every cell in the human body has a VDR on its surface... VDR also known vitamin D receptor. Vitamin D has nuclear activity within each cell. It's a big deal and people aren't getting enough anymore.
I can make this case for a few other supplements too. As for fish oil, there is plenty of evidence for it's wide range of effects. It's cheap and safe. Eating 'healthy' may not be enough in this modern world. Again, all my opinion. Do what makes you happy. - loyalKNG, on 11/20/2008, -2/+10I use centrium and fish oil.... i hope they do good..
- LoveLikeRockets, on 11/20/2008, -1/+9ah we are losing and i don't even know how.
- timothycrash01, on 11/21/2008, -0/+8Is that you Tom Cruise?
- stormgren, on 11/21/2008, -0/+8I agree with you.
As I sit here eating an entire package of double-stuff oreos. - jakereilly, on 11/20/2008, -5/+13Generic vitamin A is the same vitamin as a vitamin A at 3x the cost. It's vitamin A. That's it.
And of course you need vitamins, but the truth is that unless you live in a 3rd world country and don't eat a proper diet, your 3 (HEALTHY!) meals a day will be sufficient at providing you with said vitamins. Supplements are NOT necessary for a normal individual. At all. It's a scam, really. They don't help you at all. - inactive, on 11/20/2008, -1/+9Dammit Fred, Wilma, Pebbles and Bamm-bamm. You're all worthless. I've been taking one of you guys for almost 40yrs of my life and I haven't gained ***** from you while you get 40 years worth of profits.
- Ymeg, on 11/21/2008, -0/+7Except vitamins aren't really drugs, and everything thing you said is *****.
- TidusX, on 11/21/2008, -0/+7Vitamins provide components necessary to the building of enzymes that control everything in you body.
I also thought it was old news that they didn't play any part in cancer or heart disease. - OriginalReplica, on 11/20/2008, -5/+12Who ever thought that vitamins prevented cancer?!? WTF kind of study is that? Vitamins prevent things like scurvy, rickets, goiter, and other diseases that sound like they are from the middle ages. Why do they sound like olde time maladies, because now we have vitamins. http://science.jrank.org/pages/4800/Nutrient-Defic ...
- evildemonic, on 11/21/2008, -4/+11And I work for a company that works with big pharma. I can use your same argument against you. Vitamin pushers like you use studies that are funded by other vitamin companies, if not entirely made up, to back up your claims. Look into the links on the story and see the studies, most have no affiliation whatsoever with pharmaceutical companies.
Also, whats with the random capitalizing of words in your post? - lemur, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6I don't think people understand vitamins anymore. They're not miracle drugs or anything that miraculously cure all kinds of diseases--you can take vitamins and still get sick. What vitamins do (and it's the reason they are called VITAMINS) is that they KEEP YOU ALIVE. You need them to live. End of story. The vitamins you need all occur naturally in things that people normally eat anyway, but in some diets we may become deficient in this or that vitamin. In some cases that will adversely affect your health or cause you to die.
Vitamin supplements are for people who like to play it safe without having to work out a perfect diet on paper. - M4dRefluX, on 11/20/2008, -4/+10I don't take them anyways :-P
- Chairboy, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6Yarrrr, the article be not coverin' the viewpoints o' the Union of Pirate Scientists. We be finding that Vitamin C be a vital component in fighting the scourge o' scurvy.
- ThatsNotPoetry, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6Because I have a few vitamin deficiencies that are more easily balanced with a combination of multivitamins, iron pills, fish oil, and vitamin A. Certainly not to avoid cancer.
Also because the average American diet is severely lacking in key items that provide us with many of the vitamins and minerals that we need on a daily basis. My diet is no different. - acetv, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6What about vitamin ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR?
- nunu4u, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6The article refers to a recent Sloan Kettering study and recommendation. It asks chemo patients not to take vitamin C during
treatment because C is too effective at protecting cell life, including cancer cells. So apparently vitamins are potent. - evildemonic, on 11/21/2008, -1/+7No, they have nothing to gain by concluding vitamins aren't needed. Each fact in the story is a link to the actual study, so you can see for yourself.
- crossmr, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5They did die years ago.. the average life expectancy used to be like 35 years.
- LoveLikeRockets, on 11/20/2008, -0/+5don't worry i buried the story just for you.
- BevansDesign, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5When subsisting on nothing but ramen noodles and beer, make sure to throw some citrus in there from time to time so you don't get scurvy. Like, eat the lime that comes with your beer.
- jussipupu, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5Yeah, tell this to Tom Cruise who can treat any mental illness with vitamins.
- tgc1, on 11/21/2008, -0/+5Just eat properly. Get a little from every food group and you should be fine. Oh and get some exercise. No vitamin can save you from becoming a fatty. (No offense to fatties)
- acetv, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6@ButlerRed & Ellipsys
It's so easy to cite your sources. You just include a link. That's all. I'm not going to scour the internet to find reputable sources that may or may not exist just to verify your claims. - lillylibertine, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4oh, the Scientologists will have an issue with this. According to Tom Cruise, Scientology promotes that every problem in life can be solved by jumping rope and choking down some Centrum:
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/8633/Tom-Cruise ... - adrenalmedulla9, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4Happy nomming!
- Inaktivist, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4I'm sorry... was it ever assumed that taking vitamins PREVENTED cancer? This is news to me.
- liquisoft, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4I take vitamins for simple nutrition. I don't assume it will keep me from getting any specific disease. Let's all get real.
- SirFink, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3Vitamin D does all sorts of good things. The trouble is it is very hard to put Vit. D in pill form and for it to do you any good. Even in food, it is fragile and hard to absorb. That's the whole point: just swallowing a pill isn't doing us much good. Eat right!
- Digital.Totem, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3The only reason to take vitamins is if you have a deficient diet, or absorption deficiency. They can't make you 110%. A healthy person with a sound diet will more than likely be adversely affected by taking a lot of vitamins, not all are water soluble like C and can build up to dangerous levels in the body. Seriously though if you want to be as healthy as you can be eat a balanced diet, and only take vitamins if told to by your doctor and sometimes not even then.
- jonnyeh, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3Except that Big Pharma are the ones who are raking in the billions selling unnecessary vitamins to millions of gullible people. They'd love it if they could have an excuse to sell more pills. Unfortunately, they're gonna have to pay the high cost of R&D into real treatments for real problems.
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