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- hantata, on 05/12/2009, -2/+23The best way to deal with this is to not exercise or take vitamin. Done.
- enantiodromia, on 05/12/2009, -1/+14my bladder is full of science
- RumpleForeskin3, on 05/12/2009, -0/+10Everyone knows the Germans make good stuff
- anexanhume, on 05/12/2009, -0/+7From the picture, I'd say she's squeezing out a log, not exercising... Well, some logs can be exercising so never mind.
- Subspace, on 05/12/2009, -0/+7Here's the study: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/05/11/09034 ...
For people who don't have access to the full text, here's an upload of it:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a5e7f188b93432a ... - inactive, on 05/12/2009, -3/+8Eat right and have a good attitude and you never, ever need to eat that crap.
- boozedrinker, on 05/12/2009, -3/+8I'm so sick of ***** retarded "studies". Such a waste of time and money....
In the meantime, here's a novel idea: Get some exercise, eat decent, alcohol in moderation, be a ***** human. Done. - JamesBondQ, on 05/12/2009, -0/+4I'll put this in my big book of exercise tips that I keep telling my self im going to act on one of these days.
- habbofresh, on 05/12/2009, -0/+4you'll need to squeeze that science out one day, you know. and it won't be easy.
- ahhell, on 05/12/2009, -0/+4Actually the constant exercise had more to do with it. He also didn't eat all the processed ***** we eat today.
- Sporky023, on 05/12/2009, -0/+4sweat is definitely good for you. to be happy you must do two things every day: laugh and sweat.
- h3110, on 05/12/2009, -0/+4That's because most people do not get enough vitamins and nutrients. Many people should be taking multivitamins to compensate for their poor diet.
It's obvious that it's better to get your vitamins and nutrients with natural foods but that is too hard for many people and it can get expensive. Eating multivitamins can be easier and cheaper. - inactive, on 05/12/2009, -1/+5Whole grains, fruits, raw or steamed veggies, nuts, lean/whole proteins, clean water. Expensive diet in developed nations? No. Unappealing diet for most Western pallets? Yes. It's not an economic dilemma, it's a visceral one.
- inactive, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3Then your great-grandfather was an exception and his experience shouldn't be extrapolated into a general rule. Good health isn't about eating nothing but whole foods, or not taking supplements, or eating whatever you want but getting lots of exercise, etc. It's a combination of a healthy diet, regular exercise, and effective stress management.
Nonetheless, you are absolutely right. Moderation is key. - TheMachine1, on 05/12/2009, -0/+31000 mg C in the study. The RDA is about 60 mg.
400 IU E in the study. The RDA is about 15 IU.
There have been other warnings about high doses of E. The study used high doses. - shakabrah, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3"It's made in Germany, so you know it's good."
there, fixed it for you. - Kazimieras, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3RTFA - not the bbc'd version - the real journal text.
The study concluded that taking a vitamin pill of vitamin C or E and exercising would not reduce your insulin resistance, which was a bit unexpected. The author even goes on to say you should eat healthy foods that contain these vitamins. Exercising still has many many many other benefits other than reducing insulin resistance and nowhere does this study say exercising is bad for you. - inactive, on 05/12/2009, -1/+4You're onto something, there. The human machine needed no vitamin supplements as it evolved into its current form, so why on Earth should it need them now? The right food and activities is all it asks for. Pills from a lab will always be a crappy and ineffective replacement for nutrients in their natural form.
- republicker, on 05/12/2009, -3/+5These same people probably think taking 5 prescription drugs is a healthy and normal thing to do.
- copypastry, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2The scientific article is interesting - and it makes sense that products of muscle exertion (like reactive oxygen species/ "free radicals") would play a role in modulating glucose uptake.
The news article on the other hand, is kind of retarded. Then again, the media usually takes one idea from a scientific article and sensationalizes it. - akaz, on 05/12/2009, -1/+3Nice, I'll have to stop eating all those raw, fresh fruits and veggies. Didn't know free radicals were good for me. :(
- SwiftKick34, on 05/12/2009, -1/+3Lo, so now anti-oxidants are bad for you. I think I'll come back in twenty years when we have a semblance of a definitive scientific consensus.
- HapeninHap, on 05/12/2009, -1/+3I hear vitamins give you cancer
- bluestatic, on 05/12/2009, -4/+6My great-grandfather was a farmer, ate bacon and eggs every morning, and worked up a sweat nearly every single day. He lived to 104. Studies are worthless. It's all about moderation people.
- grapesofbaath, on 05/12/2009, -1/+3Not as worthless as your anecdotal evidence.
- Yage2006, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2Great even more proof that vitamins are *****.
- FortyCaliber, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2"You'll be saying 'WOW' every time..."
- boozedrinker, on 05/12/2009, -1/+3That's not what "Studies" say: http://www.epic4health.com/algoodforyou.html
- MF2x, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2The article isn't trying to say that antioxidants are bad you, but rather taking additional supplements may be unnecessary and do more harm than good.
- mksmothers, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Free the radicals who are anti the oxidants.
- A2007HokieAlumn, on 05/13/2009, -0/+1I like to have a beer after I work out...I feel like I earned it.
- Sporky023, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1But really, that's no contest. I'd be impressed if you were able to get it from her while she was alive. Not even a fair fight, imo.
- Sporky023, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Don't stop with the raw veggies, man. That's the best thing you can do.
raw FTW - Sporky023, on 05/12/2009, -0/+15 prescriptions? 5?? That is a ridiculous number of prescription drugs to take.
Look at any reasonably healthy person on the street and you have to assume their packing 10 to 20 prescriptions. How else are we expected to maintain our schedule of:
1:00 am: deep dreamless sleep
4:00 am: wake up and rearrange business cards [sober]
4:20 am: breakfast [digestix, adderall, green tea, 8 power bars]
4:25 am: facebook [furoset]
5:45 am: ableton live [as sober as you can be]
8:45 am: micronap [(lorazepam, opium, melatonin, and medium bowl) OR DMT]
9:00 am: work [adderall, ritalin, concerta, wellbutrin, xanax, cocaine, nicotine, caffeine, salvia divinorum]
6:00 pm: work ends [THC, EtOH]
6:30 pm: yoga
9:30 pm: soma holiday [soma++]
12:30 pm: rearrange business cards [salvia OR Nyquil]
1:00 am: deep, dreamless sleep
Doctor's orders, man. - seanstuart, on 05/12/2009, -1/+2The body "creates harmful chemical by-products when breaking into a sweat?" WTF? Breaking into a sweat is supposedly bad for us? Who the hell are these morons? Good Christ. "Don't you go jogging now, Tommy! You'll get all effed up on harmful chemical by-products."
Good God. Just stop the idiocracy! - inactive, on 05/13/2009, -0/+1And 3 months from now another study will come out to contradict this one. I'm sick of this *****.
- Sporky023, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Amen. We've got way more knowledge than any one person can reasonably act on. Better to pick a few solid principles and then develop the DISCIPLINE (i.e. NOT more knowledge) to apply those principles.
instant health and happiness - FortyCaliber, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1"YOU CHECK YOUR BLOOD...
AND YOU CHECK IT OFTEN!" - nepidae, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1vitamins killed my father and raped my mother
- boozedrinker, on 05/12/2009, -1/+2I meant that you should have some common sense....fasting, i.e. STARVING does not work and is not common sense.
Common sense is not eating like a ***** pig all the time and making sensible choices about your diet. - FAT_PIGGY, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Who the hell takes "Vitamins" after a workout..............Take them first thing in the morning if at all.
- bluestatic, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Agreed.
- Kazimieras, on 05/13/2009, -0/+1And think of the fun of reverse scurvy if you are ever to reduce your vitamin C levels (true disease)
- apetrie, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1It absolutely can be an economic dilemma, though I am not entirely disagreeing with your point, its a sad fact that in the U.S. and Canada at least, processed foods are cheaper, and fresh produce and such is out of the price range of lower income families.
- JoeParanoid, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Personally, I think the world needs more free radicals.
- UsulMauddib, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1No it is not. Too much vitamin C can damage DNA. There are numerous studies on this that show proof of the damage.
- Niocan, on 05/12/2009, -0/+1Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) is very safe but if you go above 1g/day the acidity alone has some side effects. I suggest getting it bound to something like magnesium (Magnesium Ascorbate) to keep the Ph levels normal... I'd be curious to see if the acidity of the blood is affecting the results and not the antioxidant affects :s
- diggdeep, on 05/13/2009, -0/+1It's worth noting that the dosages used in this study (400 IU of vitamin E and 1000 mg of vitamin C) are much higher than those found in typical multi-vatimins. (Mine have 30 IU of vitamin E and 300 mg of vitamin C, for example.) Unless you supplement with vitamin C or vitamin E specifically, the results are probably irrelevant to you.
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