What is Digg?Sponsored by Activision
Introducing DJ Hero Game view!
djhero.com - Scratch and mix 102 songs in 93 original mixes from today's hottest artists. Available Now.
135 Comments
- Winkleman, on 05/27/2009, -0/+25best of all, it's free and shines down on us everyday.
- DimWatchtower, on 05/27/2009, -1/+26I thought it was common knowledge that vitamin D was good for your mood? Isn't this the source of lots of people feeling depressed during the winter due to lack of sunlight?
- puck, on 05/27/2009, -6/+28Vitamin D is great. I prescribe it to many of my patients who have little in their diet. I supplement personally in the winter. Most people in moderate climates and higher are deficient at least part of the year. Its easily made up in the diet or with an appropriately dosed vitamin. Personally, I would not recommend increasing your sun-exposure to make up for it....its basically impossible to get enough in the winter due to little to no UV light in sunlight that time of year and in the summer you'll get enough by barely spending anytime outside so there is not need to increase it then. Plus sun exposure leads to a dramatic increase in the rate that your skin ages. The people who use it as an excuse to sun bathe are annoying. I am a doctor, btw.
- kemp34, on 05/27/2009, -1/+21Also, it should be noted that most healthy people who die from flu do so because their immune system OVER REACTS and kills via a "cytokine storm" that overwhelms the proper body functioning (usually in the lungs). Vitamin D helps keep the immune system in balance, minimizing the chances of such an event.
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -6/+19i homogenize milfs with vitamin D every chance i get
- stix213, on 05/27/2009, -0/+13Why you need more vitamin D now?
Answer: Because no one goes outside anymore - raydeen, on 05/27/2009, -8/+19D also kills vampires, zombies and mutants and rides a bitching robot horse as well.
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -1/+11The windshield isn't the most important part of the car.
- JCEEZ, on 05/27/2009, -1/+11next time comment with links to wikipedia, talk about legalizing weed and bash some politicians... possibly a pedo bear ASCII or something to get diggers attention.
- Coy0te, on 05/27/2009, -1/+10Yes but it won't help cure your virginity.
- jordan314, on 05/27/2009, -0/+9Just to play devil's advocate, there's a lot of people who say milk is definitely not always good:
http://www.milksucks.com/osteo.asp
http://www.notmilk.com/ - amabaie, on 05/27/2009, -2/+10Lots of sun exposure helps. But in small doses, so you don't burn. And milk is always good. And yogurt. Hey, now I'm hungry. It must be lunchtime.
- traviswood, on 05/28/2009, -1/+9Play Vitamin C off Keyboard Cat
- greenlight2001, on 05/27/2009, -1/+9What the ***** are you talking about? 2000-2500 IU daily is too much? Wrong! For most people, that just about the right amount (2000-4000 IU daily is usually needed to correct most deficiencies in my experience) . Studies have been done with 50,000 IU daily for months with no adverse effects. Toxic effects of vitamin D are at levels well above 2000 daily.
- bremstrong, on 05/27/2009, -2/+9Here is a link to a study that shows twice the risk of dying for those low in vitamin D:
http://drsorenson.blogspot.com/2009/02/living-long ... - Ymeg, on 05/28/2009, -0/+7If you don't go outside, at all, you are prone to Vitamin D deficiency.
- Oline61, on 05/27/2009, -1/+7... Still I wouldn't drive without it.
- jimbs, on 05/27/2009, -4/+10I remember hear the same thing about Vitamin C back in the 80s and again about Vitamin E in the 90's. In both cases, after ten more years of research, the long term benifts just weren't there. This may prove the same. Notice that the article is very vague on how much Vitamin D you need. 400 to 700 IU for stronger bones, but how much to reduce risk of cancer?
- maxtangent, on 05/28/2009, -0/+6And when they do they slap on sunscreen that contains cancer causing chemicals.
- puck, on 05/27/2009, -3/+9wow, i made probably the most factually correct statement in this thread and it is being voted down....obviously there is a reason for digg's poor reputation for the comment section.
- publiclurker, on 05/28/2009, -0/+5I take 10,000 UI a day. I seem to need it, as when taking half that amount tests still showed my blood level as deficient.
- JCEEZ, on 05/27/2009, -0/+5I have psoriasis, a non-fatal non-contagious skin disease, I don't have it that bad, looks like I get a few bug bites every once in a while, but it actually has nothing to do with skin, and all with an over-active immune system. Vitamin D definitely helps a lot, along with some sun.
- stonebear, on 05/28/2009, -1/+6We aren't all trolls you know. But they do run in packs, and can send you quite through the floor before enough sane people come along to undo it. The trolls gamble that the article will drop into obscurity before they do, as is sometimes the case.
- puck, on 05/27/2009, -1/+6I would avoid using vit D as a reason to increase sun exposure. It is basically impossible to get enough in the winter due to little to no UV light in sunlight that time of year and in the summer you'll get enough by barely spending anytime outside so there is no need to increase it then. Plus sun exposure leads to a dramatic increase in the rate that your skin ages. The people who use it as an excuse to sun bathe are annoying. I am a doctor, btw. Its easily made up in the diet or with an appropriately dosed vitamin. I prescribe it to many of my patients who have little in their diet and/or don't get outside much. I supplement personally in the winter.
- Solsies, on 05/27/2009, -0/+5with smiles on their faces
- greenlight2001, on 05/28/2009, -1/+5Do some research on how the RDA was formulated. It'll surprise you.
- stonebear, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4Your data is old; read up.
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -1/+5My white skin and European diet see me through.
- Beatmiser, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4I'll let my wife know. :(
- puck, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4DaFunk,
I'm familiar with the article you are referencing. The statement is misleading. It is fairly clear that in the winter the majority of people in temperate areas and areas farther from the equator do not get enough sun exposure to maintain adequate levels. Averaged over a year, everything works out, but if you look at peoples vit d levels towards the end of winter they are often low. If you measured it weekly and averaged it, I'm sure the average would be above normal. That is not the point. The point is that in the winter our stores get low. After about 2 months of limited sun exposure levels usually start to wane, often to zero for the type of vit d that is due to sun. I check levels not infrequently and my personal experience backs that up. You could argue what is the significance of 1-3 months of low vitamin D levels, and I'm not sure of the answer, but keeping healthy levels is probably good on several measure and I would guess it is best not to go for long periods of time annual with low levels.
In the summer, for anyone who goes outside much at all this is a non-issue. Thus, anyone going out of their way to increase sun exposure in the summer doesn't make any sense.
Most people with malabsorption issues can be accounted for by just giving slightly higher doses of vit D. ...checking the levels to confirm the correct dose is easy enough.
The pills are dirt cheap, too. Most people aren't getting enough dairy (and thus calcium) anyway if their vitamin D level is low so recommending a calcium and vitamin D tablet (with vit D3) in it makes sense. The minimun dose to maintain a healthy level is 800 to 1000 IU daily of vit D3. You can by bottles with 300 tabs for $7 at the grocery store of calcium 600mg with 400 IU of vit D3. taken twice per day, vitamin d levels will stay at healthy levels in the winter.
- puck, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4Nichiren,
I believe the evidence for omega-3-fatty acids for cholesterol and brain development is promising and I take them as best I can remember. Most vitamins we get in our diet in adequate amounts so most people probably do not need multiple vitamins (but they don't hurt for the most part). Vitamin D is the one most of us are deficient in so I do recommend people in temperate climates and farther from the equator supplement with vitamin D - especially in the winter. Other than that, most supplements are just unnecessary or not helpful for the vast majority for us, unfortunately. That or are way over hyped as best I can tell. Some may not be safe. My opinion may change as we learn more about each one individually with higher quality studies. The unfortunate reality is most of the studies quoted are just poor and I would be very hesitant to make strong recommendations base on that. The medical field has been fooled many times over by getting hyped up on substandard studies. - stonebear, on 05/28/2009, -1/+5400iu is simply the amount that prevents rickets; that's all they knew about vitamin D in the 40's. The food industry has prevented its adjustment as research has revealed more about it over the years.
- algaeturd, on 05/28/2009, -1/+5The problem is that you're trying to save people who don't want saved.
As a doctor, aren't you used to that reaction by now? - jimbs, on 05/27/2009, -0/+4What does that even mean? And am I just encouraging you by replying?
- publiclurker, on 05/27/2009, -0/+4The amount of vitamin D in milk is, unfortunately, not really that much. especially when compared to what some doctors think the body needs.
- fabriciom, on 05/27/2009, -0/+4Vitamin C++ cures cancer.
#include <vitamin_c.h>
int main(void)
{
remove_cancer(*body);
} - dustinbolton, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4A study that was released a few days ago found very high doses of Vitamin D reduced relapses in those with Multiple Sclerosis up to 40%. That's a few percent better than the most popular treatment, Avonex which costs a couple thousand dollars per month. They are moving on to more trials but the results are optimistic, particularly with all the known relationships between the disease and Vitamin D. People don't get out much these days so it makes even more sense to supplement it. The current recommended daily values for it are also believed to be very understated according to experts. I've been researching this vitamin a lot lately and am increased my supplementation.
- IronTek, on 05/28/2009, -0/+4On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
- dustinbolton, on 05/28/2009, -0/+3I don't know that I trust a study on medicine by an Electrical Engineer. Check out his credentials.
He is also trying to patent his method for treating auto-immune diseases to make money. I'm also an Electrical Engineer and there is no way he is qualified for this type of thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Marshall - Nichiren, on 05/28/2009, -0/+3As a medical professional, which or what kind of supplements do you use? I'd be interested to know what sorts of things doctors do to stay healthy themselves.
- Beatmiser, on 05/27/2009, -1/+4So does this mean I can game all day, take a vitamin D tablet and never have to go out in the sun?
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -1/+4I thought the happy hormone was saritonin (sp?), which is fueled by vitiman D, or sun exposure
- medicinally, on 05/28/2009, -0/+3Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin. Meaning you can "hold on" to this vitamin in your adipose tissue. Needless to say I have enough for many a winter.
Caveat: Technically stored in your liver, but that's not quite as funny. - lennybird, on 05/27/2009, -1/+4I read somewhere (probably a cereal box or something) that all you need to do is spend 15 minutes in moderate sunlight to achieve your daily value of vitamin D.
- lennybird, on 05/27/2009, -0/+3I am completely against Milk. For me, it did seem to increase acne, plus it increases nasal and throat congestion, which I have problems with already... Plus in all honesty - it just doesn't make sense. I switched to 100% natural soy milk a few months back and don't regret the decision in the slightest (except for maybe twice the cost). Soy milk has A LOT more benefits than cow milk does.
- DaFunk, on 05/28/2009, -0/+2Puck, I know you're a doctor, but you might want to check some sources on how much sun exposure you actually need to get a sufficient amount of vitamin D. According to NEJM (357:266-281), 5-30 minutes of exposure, averaged throughout all seasons, provides 3000 IU of vitamin D. Regardless of the season, a modest increase in sun exposure of only a half hour or so would give significant results and be far less costly to the patient, and if the individual is active while outside would give other benefits as well.
From the article:
"Sensible sun exposure can provide an adequate amount of vitamin D3, which is stored in body fat and released during the winter, when vitamin D3 cannot be produced. Exposure of arms and legs for 5 to 30 minutes (depending on time of day, season, latitude, and skin pigmentation) between the hours of 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. twice a week is often adequate. Exposure to one minimal erythemal dose while wearing only a bathing suit is equivalent to ingestion of approximately 20,000 IU of vitamin D2.The skin has a great capacity to make vitamin D3, even in the elderly, to reduce the risk of fracture. Most tanning beds emit 2 to 6% ultraviolet B radiation and are a recommended source of vitamin D3 when used in moderation. Tanners had robust levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (approximately 45 ng per milliliter [112 nmol per liter]) at the end of the winter and higher bone density as compared with nontanners (with levels of approximately 18 ng per milliliter [45 nmol per liter]). For patients with fat malabsorption, exposure to a tanning bed for 30 to 50% of the time recommended for tanning (with sunscreen on the face) is an excellent means of treating and preventing vitamin D deficiency (Table 3). This reduces the risk of skin cancers associated with ultraviolet B radiation." - SkippyDoorknob, on 05/27/2009, -1/+3Oh yeah?
I guarantee that everyone who does takes vitamin D will eventually die! - stonebear, on 05/28/2009, -0/+2It really depends on your liver and kidneys. as it goes back and forth between them for quite a bit of processing to render the final useful form. Assuming those organs are healthy, 5000iu a day is probably good. If you drink, are obese or have any kind of liver or kidney problem, then you'd better make it 10,000, which is the maximum amount you'd want to take orally. The 400iu recommended by the FDA is simply the amount which will prevent rickets, and is maintained for the benefit of the food industry. No overdose is possible if your body makes vitamin D from sunlight, however. It will take what it needs and let the rest oxidize. It also needs a lot less processing, which takes a load off the liver and kidneys.
- tgc1, on 05/27/2009, -1/+3So tea and bisquits then?
- stonebear, on 05/28/2009, -0/+2You do that. And get her a nice manicure as well.
-
Show 51 - 100 of 139 discussions
Browsing Digg on your phone just got easier with our enhancements to the 
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is