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- chkdg8, on 08/06/2008, -3/+23Not according to the FDA it doesn't. And big pharma calls it poison. (sarcasm)
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -2/+14Too much vitamin C (more than about 1000mg a day) can actually break down your DNA. There have been many studies done on this. I will find them for you if you wish. Or, by all means take more than 1000mg a day and see what happens. I was doing that for a while and started to have issues because of it.
- sockpuppets, on 08/06/2008, -0/+11"Uh-huh. Vitamin C will probably slow cancer just as much as a certain man slowed a tank convoy at Tienanmen Square."
Actually he did stop the tank. Really bad example. - deadbeatsaint, on 08/06/2008, -2/+11If you had cancer, you would'nt give a ***** about possible problems with your "DNA breaking down".
- mCanada, on 08/06/2008, -0/+9Ummm isn't incorrect duplication of DNA a cause of Cancer in the first place?
- FulcrumVitesse, on 08/06/2008, -2/+9Linus Pauling said something very much like this decades ago, but he was ridiculed by the establishment.
- OstrakonX, on 08/06/2008, -0/+6*****, I thought he got plowed over.
Now I feel like a ***** idiot. I apologize for my display of ignorance. - sickb13, on 08/06/2008, -1/+7They have studies showing Vit C injections can actually kill cancer, and leave your normal cells alone.
The trick is that your body can only absorb vitamin C so quickly though your digestive system (the maximum absorption rate is around 1g for Oral I believe) so the levels of it in your blood never reach a high enough concentration. Solution? Inject it right into the blood and bypass the digestive tract.
Food for thought: How much money do you think pharmaceutical companies make off sterile vitamin C. Not nearly as much, as say, chemotherapy drugs, right? Hmmm..... - OstrakonX, on 08/06/2008, -0/+5Yeah, and the article is talking a 1g per kg of body weight dose. I'm not trying that *****. (Though, if I had cancer I personally would probably be desperate enough to try anything. That's why I'm not fond of studies like this ambiguously and irresponsibly making claims like this... it gives people false hope.)
- Clade, on 08/06/2008, -1/+5Anything at a high enough dose to be mildly toxic will kill a cancer cell...and your own cells. This was the entire premise of treatment for decades. Kill a ton of cells in your body and hope that the cancer cells die preferentially since they are somewhat unstable by their nature. In reality enough cancer cells survive to cause recurrence and the side effects to the patient are devastating.
Above and beyond all that. I work in cancer research and I've seen dozens of compounds that will kill a cancer in a mouse, all but one have proven ineffective in human trials. If what we were trying to cure was Xenograft human tumors implanted in mice, Digg would have had a "CANCER CURED!" headline long ago. - KingGorilla, on 08/06/2008, -0/+4I have not thought about her in a long time.
- JigoroKano, on 08/06/2008, -0/+4Really? Linus Pauling injected vitamin C directly into cancerous tissue?
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+4Perhaps. I mention that because radiation treatments also break down your DNA, but faster. I don't like the poison methods, though if I were desperate I would probably go for the chronos methods which seems to have been buried... unsure why nobody talks about that any more. It had a really high success rate. The only downside was that it require more involvment of the doctor in off-hours.
- lamiaconfitor, on 08/06/2008, -2/+6Hell, I am 27 and I take a multivitamin everyday... then I ride a bike 10-15 miles a day to try and counteract the poison in the food I eat all the time.
- BlueSkyfish, on 08/06/2008, -1/+5Vitimin D, also.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/06/07/vitamin- ... - inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+4Not to mention the extremely poor editing done on the article, but I won't fret over mis-placements of quotation marks.
"This is encouraging work but it's at a very early stage because it involves cells grown in the lab and mice.
"There is currently no evidence from clinical trials in humans that injecting or consuming vitamin C is an effective way to treat cancer.
"Some research even suggests that high doses of antioxidants can make cancer treatment less effective, reducing the benefits of radiotherapy and chemotherapy."
They even admit there is absolutely no merit to this article. They are just trying to get attention to their site. Someone is mass posting links from that bbc site tonight. There have already been many of them posted in a hury. The author and that news site could be liable for damages if people start consuming large quantities of vitamin C. In large enough doses in can cause serious health issues.
Megadoses of vitamin C supplements can cause nausea, diarrhea, kidney stones and inflammation of the stomach lining (gastritis). Rarely, too much vitamin C can cause faintness, dizziness and fatigue.
I will find the studies that had shown the DNA breakdown caused by excessive vitamin C. - AudioPhotograph, on 08/06/2008, -1/+4Funny, I heard THC cures it...
- zeptobyte, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3There was an episode where one of the doctors competing for a fellowship position with House poisoned a patient, who was only suffering from heatstroke, with thallium. He then faked a test to show that she had polio. Then gave her massive doses of vitamin C which treated the thallium poisoning, trying to show that vitamin C was a cure for polio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_It_Takes_(Ho ... - Erythroxylum, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3He only stopped the tank momentarily. Then the tanks went on their way and got on with the massacre.
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3@mCanada, indeed.
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3There are entirely too many websites discussing this topic. I could build an entire domain on this topic alone.
To summarize all of the sites, it seems to be agreed by doctors and scientists that naturally occurring forms of vitamin C are healthy in small doses (less than 100mg/day assuming you don't smoke) and that synthesized vitamin C can actually be quite dangerous.
http://www.helium.com/items/854267-vitamin-c-overd ...
http://www.dietpower.com/help/diet/vitamin_c.htm
There are also some articles talking about the interaction of vitamin C and the flu shots, but this could go on forever so I will leave it to all of you to google for the studies. - septicmadman, on 08/06/2008, -0/+3Well he got carried away, but let's not split hairs.
- superdog87, on 08/06/2008, -4/+6Vitamin C is great. People have claimed it heals cancer in when given in extremely high doses. I would try it!
- 2reflective, on 08/06/2008, -1/+3I don't see how it can be 'fraud' when no-one is making any money from it. The Vitamin B17 sites I have seen simply encourage you to eat apricot kernels, apple seeds and bitter almonds etc.
Does it work? I'm not sure, but just reading the reviews about the World Without Cancer book at Amazon makes me think there is something in this.
Oh and whilst the talk of cyanide is likely to scare most people away, if you actually study the chemical formula, you'll see the cyanide molecule is harmless until it is unlocked by the appropriate enzyme which, it is claimed, is only present in tumors.
I wouldn't put all my faith in the solution if I had cancer, but I'd certainly give it a go. - z987k, on 08/06/2008, -1/+3clearly the cure to cancer is listening to some random crappy band.
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2So they finally figured out that nutrition is better than a bunch of drugs.
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2Here is one of the articles. There were many more. Uno momento por favor.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940 ... - Kazumato, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2Oranges aren't actually that a great source of vitamin C..
Red peppers are a much better source of vitamin C, but also for vitamin A and lycopene. - darkened, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2No, a single vitamin given in doses so large it requires direct blood stream injections.
- zeptobyte, on 08/06/2008, -1/+3The Vitamin C Foundation recommends up to 300,000mg per day during illness. Up to 8000mg per half hour to show any effect on your cold. I HIGHLY doubt that 1000mg would have any impact whatsoever (especially considering a single capsule of vitamin c is something like 500mg).
- AYork, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2Meh. We've been able to cure cancer in mouse cancer models since the mid 1990s, at least. Unfortunately, the pdf at the PNAS website is messed up for some reason (I keep getting errors trying to open it) so I can just go on the abstract, but this is a mouse xenograft and cell culture model. A tumor is taken from a human and cultured in a dish. Cells from that culture are then put into an mouse that lacks an immune system (probably nude mice, that's the model of choice). The tumor can grow unchecked. It's a nice screening model. It rules out really toxic stuff (it would make the mouse sick or kill it) and ineffective stuff (the tumor grows like crazy when left alone, so it's obvious when something doesn't work).
This is a GREAT starting point, but it's just one more starting point, among many. This does not mean that taking huge doses of vitamin C will cure cancer. First, if you just eat it, you won't absorb it. They had to bypass absorbtion control by injecting the stuff, probably IV. Second, this is a human tumor in a mouse. This does of VitC kills human tumor cells, but leaves mouse normal cells alone. What about normal human cells? What about an organism with an intact immune system? It looks like they're proposing that the tumor cells react with the ascorbate to generate peroxides, which kill the tumors. It is very likely that neutrophils and monocytes (two types of immune cell) will do the same thing. Third, it's nontoxic to mice; mice are really tough, they can handle a lot.
It's a neat discovery, but it is step O N E. This is a prime example of what happens when mainstream media gets its hands on scientific info; it's sensationalized. - inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+2It's still the premise. What do you think chemo does to you?
- atact88, on 08/06/2008, -1/+3Linus Pauling also said that DNA was an alpha-helix, not a double-helix. Even great scientists are wrong sometimes.
- Stormwern, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Right. It could be the same doctor that got fired from House, they should check it out!
- AYork, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Depends on your definition of "safe" and how much less we're talking about here. But generally, yes.
e.g., apple seeds release cyanide when crushed in a wet environment. But chewing on apple seeds won't kill you; it's not released fast enough to reach an effective concentration. - AYork, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Pay your rent with the credit card, then use the rent money to pay off last month's credit card bill. Repeat as needed.
You're welcome! - fani, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1There is a fruit juice that's sold called "Naked Juice" that has Vitamin C 1000% of DV.
Needless to say, I've avoided it ( and its a pricey drink ) but looks like it may have merit after all. - darkened, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Injection or IV drip, peasant.
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1An entire foundation just for vitamin C? I bet if I start digging into that one, I find a company that sells vitamins. How much snake oil do you consume per day?
- matt.rubin, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1I thought it cured polio?
Or you can fake it. - AYork, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Covered up? That's pretty damn funny.
The idea that VitC can help stave off cancer was taught to me when I took biochemistry of human nutrition as an undergrad class c1993. I think there was a section on it in my text. Search on Pubmed for "ascorbate cancer" and you get nearly 700 hits. "Vitamin C cancer" gives over 3000 hits, dating back to 1933. Look for yourself if you don't believe it, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov. Click on Pubmed and type in those search phrases, without the quotes. Covered up. LOL.
But this is not "staving off" cancer, it's curing it. Two completely different things. The idea that VitC could *promote* the formation of peroxides specifically in tumor cells, however, is novel. This is counter to what is normally touted about vitamin C. - atact88, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Almonds also release cyanide when you eat them, along with legumes, and other plants. Cigarette smoke contains cyanide as well. The amount is so small, however, that you don't notice it...
- darkened, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Actually this has been around for almost a century, it's mainstream media and the pharma industry that has buried this fact.
- BIOHazard87, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1for you slow ones, the "in more than one way" means, preventing scurvy.
- darkened, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1Actually it's NEVER been debunked the "studies" done were made to prove it doesn't work but not injecting dosages on the scale of the rats of multiple grams per kilogram of body weight into the blood stream. The studies "debunking" Vitamin C curing cancers all involved oral consumption which could never work because the body can't absorb that much Vitamin C that it can kill cancer from your digestive system.
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1no *****
- atact88, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2As a biochemist, something smells fishy about this to me. First off, 4 g per kilo of body weight is a huuuuuge amount. Almost all drugs released onto the market work at a concentration one-billionth of that, in the nanogram range. Flooding your body with that much stuff would severely interfere with your natural processes and probably kill you, that's why your digestive tract controls what it absorbs. The mouse was probably on its way out just from saturating its blood with so much vitamin C - since cancer cells grow so fast, they'd be the first to respond to such a significant stimulus.
Remember kids, poison isn't about the chemical, it's about the dosage. - inactive, on 08/06/2008, -0/+1so a dose of DDT at less than LD50 is safe?
- Amadeus2490, on 05/16/2009, -0/+1Homeopathy does NOT mean "vitamins and supplements"; Homeopathy is "like cures like", meaning that they would dilute cancer cells in water 1,000 times and have you take a dropperful under your tongue, in the hopes that your body would learn to fight the disease from this. Don't you DARE call vitamin C a homeopathic treatment.
- litelbrown, on 08/06/2008, -1/+2wait wait wait,
Vitamin C is good for you?!....In more than one way?!....Crazy -
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