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- hantata, on 03/27/2009, -2/+82What is the opposite? Fake lab produced milk, Bisphenol-A laced plastic bottles, no discipline and no expectations? Don't need a study to tell us how these children will turn out.
- martalli, on 03/27/2009, -1/+50I guess this explains why my strategy of Cheetos and Adult Swim cartoons isn't going very well...
- scamper22, on 03/28/2009, -1/+31For those that sit there saying 'duh'...
Yes, this is news. There's a huge following out there that does not agree with this kind of study.
Discipline? Try getting that message past the educational system.
High expectations? Shouldn't we just accept kids for what they are . Doing otherwise hurts their self-esteem.
Breast feeding? Shouldn't women be at work instead of raising their kids? Isn't that the job of early childhood educators?
So feel free to mock this study. I will not. We've had a generation of so called experts and academics who came out with all these poor theories on how to raise kids. At least now, some studies are coming back showing their failure. Maybe it can readjust for some policies on these matters. - Nintendesert, on 03/28/2009, -2/+28Ass whoopings are good for children!
- dtfinch, on 03/27/2009, -4/+27But taking any of those (breastfeeding, discipline, or high expectations) to the extreme will not necessarily produce better results.
- anonymousmedic, on 03/28/2009, -4/+26Medically, it makes a big difference. Breastfed babies have been shown through long-term studies to have a lot less problems later in life.
- Kosh, on 03/27/2009, -1/+20In other news, Science proves once again that black is not the same thing as white and that the earth is round.
- kvgirard, on 03/28/2009, -0/+15is this really surprising to anyone?
- mrteacup, on 03/28/2009, -2/+17Traditional parenting leads to (the traditional definition of) well-adjusted children. Big surprise.
- bob_the_alien, on 03/28/2009, -3/+18Well, studies about breastfeeding, have shown that it increases the babies intelligence.
- scamper22, on 03/28/2009, -0/+12I guess your parents never had high expectations for your reading comprehension?
- ABadPerson, on 03/28/2009, -3/+15This means regular beatings too right?
- CaptOblivious, on 03/28/2009, -0/+12Regardless of the breastfeeding or not, Good discipline and reasonable expectations DO result in better adjusted individuals.
The more you expect from children, the more they will learn, the more they learn the more they accomplish, the more they accomplish the higher their confidence and their JUSTIFIED self esteem.
Also, I have to think that human milk is better for humans than milk made for cows. - dty2010, on 03/28/2009, -3/+14FTA
"Breastfeeding for at least six months also improves the relationship mothers have with their babies as well as boosting their health and educational development, according to the Institute of Education in London." - DiscoLando, on 03/28/2009, -5/+16Breastfeeding vs bottle-fed makes a *HUGE* difference. There's ample medical research and a whole lot of anecdotal evidence from mothers that suggests so.
- rsbryswrrl, on 03/28/2009, -1/+11But the liquid itself IS important - the nutrients and active ingredients in breast milk are much more healthy for babies and provide increased immunity, lower the risk of obesity and diabetes, etc. Not to mention the fact that there are constantly recalls of formula coming out due to contamination in the manufacturing facilities where it's made. I prefer to have my child drinking something natural and that I know what's gone into it.
- AdamaObama, on 03/28/2009, -0/+9DUH!
- CaptOblivious, on 03/28/2009, -8/+17Gay parents that use traditional parenting will turn out perfectly normal children.
If you think otherwise please do some damn research. - eir574, on 03/28/2009, -0/+9"Not disciplining your children created this whole generation of spoiled brats that think they are entitled to everything"
So, hitting children is absolutely the only way to discipline them? - RyeBrye, on 03/28/2009, -4/+12t0x2c that's great that you think that - but your thoughts are wrong.
- anotherjack, on 03/28/2009, -0/+8"If you have to breastfeed just to form a bond with your kid there's something wrong with you." That's a ***** up thing to say. A week old baby, what are you supposed to do with that for bonding? All they can do for the first 4 months is eat and sleep and *****. Might as well hug them and give them a nice soft nipple full of food - and who doesn't like boobies? I am glad you turned out okay, and I'm sorry you feel attacked when people tout breast milk over formula, but that's not reason to say rude things about breast feeding mothers.
- t0x2c, on 03/28/2009, -1/+9If you read the article you would know that it means "good enough" parenting, as in not pushing your kids to do better.
- rjey, on 03/28/2009, -0/+7Finally a voice of reason on this site.
- kward711, on 03/28/2009, -1/+8I don't understand why people here believe that beating and spanking children are good. My parents were never beat or spanked as children, and now my father has a masters degree and makes 100 grand a year and he is a very intelligent and well disciplined man.
- RetlawST, on 03/28/2009, -1/+8That's interesting t0x2c, because human milk doesn't have lactic acid.
- oxdeltaxo, on 03/28/2009, -0/+7My parenting method revolves around showing my kid Heavy Metal Movie and Pink Floyd's The Wall.
- eir574, on 03/28/2009, -3/+10"telling them politely to "please stop" won't cut it."
Someone who thinks that asking a kid to "please stop it" and hitting him are the only two options he has for discipline isn't fit to be a parent, or at least needs some serious help. - JohnFlux, on 03/28/2009, -0/+7Heh, I'm lol'ling at the image of taking breastfeeding to the extreme.
- SammyJr, on 03/28/2009, -0/+7My little brother got spanked multiple times every day because he was unruly and didn't do well in school (undiagnosed ADHD). Now, he self-medicates with Smirnoff. Maybe if my mom actually bothered to figure out what was wrong with him, rather than taking out her frustrations on him, then he would be in far better shape today.
The rest of us were spanked, too, although not as severely. None of us has a particularly good relationship with our mother.
Spanking is just laziness. If your child is doing something wrong, maybe you ought to find something better for them to do? - BigCheezy, on 03/28/2009, -0/+6"Also, it has to be said, correlation != causation..."
The idea of a study is to make a scientifically rigorous experiment that accounts for confounding factors so as to make the results of the study be as useful for determining causal relationships as possible. While many horrible "studies" are flaunted which do not take these factors into account and rightfully provoke a "correlation != causation" remark, one should not simply recite this phrase automatically at the first sign of such a study. - kward711, on 03/28/2009, -0/+6@bat-21
gee I'd think I would know my own parents! I've asked, they said no and don't believe in violence to children. Both of them went to college and have successful careers.
@Xsecrets
disciplining does not always need violence. Set high expectations and threaten to take things away, that's proper parenting and discipline. Violence does not always work. It has been shown that violence against children can lead to your children being violent and other emotional problems later on. - zunipus, on 03/28/2009, -0/+6This is such a "DUH!" subject. Of course!
Now let's focus on why parents don't-give-a-sh*t about raising their progeny properly. Let's figure out how people can be so narcissistic and self-absorbed that they are willing to let the next generation of human beings go-to-hell. What has motivated this mass insanity? Could it possibly be the mindless financial priorities of corporations? The same people who brought us the decline and fall of the US manufacturing base by shipping jobs to communist China? Wal-Mart for example?
It's called short term interest, long term failure. It's the current state of America. :-P - xirkonia, on 03/28/2009, -2/+8It definitely works, and you can keep doing it as long as you don't mind your children hating you for the rest of their lives and being vindictive.
- IneffablePolk, on 03/28/2009, -0/+6In other news, assuming something is true simply because it is obvious, or what everyone already knows, is both stupid and the opposite of science.
We'd still be in the dark ages if we didn't challenge and test things that everyone knew to be true. - nmanguy, on 03/28/2009, -0/+6You know, an average means some results are HIGHER and some are lower, but the midpoint is higer for traditional methods. You just happen to be one of those higher-than-average results.
- unit001, on 03/27/2009, -8/+14How much government money was spent on that study? This may be one of those rare convergences of Christianity and scientific analysis.
- jitterbits, on 03/29/2009, -1/+6That's all I've been saying, anotherjack, and people keep burying me. It's really pissing me off as I'm not extreme at all in my position.
I don't care how anyone feeds their baby. Just don't pretend that it's equal. A fed baby is much better than a starved baby, but it's still better to feed the baby breastmilk if possible, just like it's better to eat broccoli than Doritos. It's not that complicated, and it's definitely not an attack on anyone's parenting skills.
And still, no one has pointed out where anonymousmedic stated that all bottle fed babies aren't as close to their mothers, only buried me for noting that they didn't say that. Anyone care to enlighten me? - Randki, on 03/28/2009, -1/+6There are WAY too many bleeding heart parents who think that being nice to their kids, or being "friends" with their kids is the way to go and then when it doesnt work they try to blame it on the kids having psychological problems, instead of realizing that they just raised an animal with little to no understanding of how to get along in society.
- anonymousmedic, on 03/28/2009, -1/+6Breastfeeding is only one part of the equation.
An failure is you. - JohnFlux, on 03/28/2009, -0/+5Reading: http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/lactose.htm ...
The situation seems fairly complicated. "Milk is milk" is especially wrong. t0x2c saying "therefore never breast fed" appears to be also wrong, since lactose intolerancy in babies is non-trivial. - eir574, on 03/29/2009, -1/+6"Violence, by definition involves anger or rage, and a desire to injure or abuse. It's intent is inherently malicious and holds little if any love for the individual."
I'm pretty sure it's not okay for me to hit you even if I don't do it out of anger or rage or with a desire to injure or abuse. It's not okay even if I genuinely love you. Apparently, outside of situations involving self defense, it's only okay if I'm your parent and I've run out of other ideas on how to discipline you. - fajitamelt, on 03/28/2009, -0/+5Twice a day, every day, except for Fridays when Dad comes home drunk from happy hour.
- CaptOblivious, on 03/28/2009, -0/+5No, Dr Spock & his ilk made us boomers.
- ZohoGorganzola, on 03/28/2009, -2/+7Is there a scientific definition for "well-adjusted?"
- DigitalCHET, on 03/29/2009, -0/+5That's a valid point. Spanking is not the only way of disciplining and should be used sparingly and as the ultimate punishment given to a child who has broken a set boundary.
A parent should definitely learn to be creative with their disciplining of a child and seek out the cause of their misdeeds before taking extreme actions, or becoming too frustrated to think through the consequences of repeated unnecessary beatings. - nmanguy, on 03/28/2009, -0/+5What's next? Studies that show that diets low in food combined with plenty of exercise are better than the inverse?
- fajitamelt, on 03/28/2009, -6/+11In all seriousness, they are. When a kid does something wrong (more than once), telling them politely to "please stop" won't cut it. Even saying it in a stern voice or yelling, some of the time their behavior will not be fixed.
- anotherjack, on 03/28/2009, -0/+4Our ancestors worked in the fields with their babies on their backs, breastfeeding at will. When the baby made a certain sound, she'd whip him out and let him piss on the plants. Good fertilizer.
Or she'd wave goodbye to the extended family, just a big shack full of caring folks, leaving them with a glass bottle and a cloth diaper, while she went to work as a nursemaid . When she got home after midnight she'd kiss his sleeping head and offer him a little breastmilk, left over from the employer's kids.
Or she left the baby with the clan, with a twisted cloth soaked in cows milk and honey, and the cousins would breastfeed him themselves, or put him out on the lawn to crap every few hours, while she went out to work at the mill.
Or she set out from cave to get berries and collect small animals from the snare. She set baby down with a local child and instructions to feed little Ogg from the goats horn full of milk, and to lean him over the side to ***** when he gets that funny look on his face.
The hallmark of our species is versatility. Our ancestors didn't do any one thing, or they'd have died out, and us with them. If she wants a career, or she wants to be an Earth Mother, or if she's just trying to get by, she's doing what millions of women have done before her. - inactive, on 03/28/2009, -1/+5Meanwhile on almost every street corner in America we have the equivalent of insane asylums fillings the heads of precious innocent impressionable children with disturbing stories of hell and damnation and devils and eternal suffering, weekly!
well-adjusted and able children, right? - nmanguy, on 03/28/2009, -0/+4"Traditional parenting methods that focus on breastfeeding, disclipline and high expectations are most likely to produce well-adjusted and able children, a study has shown. "
What part of "most likely" implies that non-breatfeeders are total jackasses who hate their kids? -
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