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- therippa, on 01/12/2009, -5/+51I dated a girl with BPD...they are very good at hiding their symptoms until they become comfortable with you enough to act nuts (and you get attached enough to sort of put up with it).
If you get into this situation, run. Run as fast as you can. - beabis, on 01/11/2009, -6/+43The person who submitted this article is issuing a cry for help.
- moazamkhan, on 01/11/2009, -2/+35I dated a girl with BPD for a year. It was a mess. I tried really hard to help her, but she refused to get help. I finally got her into therapy before i left, but now she doesnt speak to me. Its a sad disease.
- orph3us, on 01/12/2009, -1/+23Well... I don't know what I have, simple depression, bipolar, borderline personality... I don't know... But I enjoyed reading the article so thanks for submitting it.
I am in therapy and doing my best, but sometimes the world weighs a lot and I lean on people. I know nobody likes to be depended on (hell my BPD grandma drives me crazy) but don't blow up at people with this. Push them away, keep them at a distance if you have to, but have compassion..
As for those of us that struggle with depression/mental illness.. get exercise, force yourself to go out once in a while... Don't give in to the illness. FIND HELP. professional help is best. Even if some psychologists are morons you gotta keep looking until you find one that can help you (tolerate you :P) Be as honest as you can... Drop me a line here on digg if you ever need someone to talk to.. Digg support group ftw :) - pafboy, on 01/12/2009, -1/+21I have been married to a BPD for almost eight years now and can personally say that a lot of what is said in this thread is true, but take it with a grain of salt. Many people will tell you to run as far away as fast as you can, but I pose the question to you then. Would you abandon someone you love who has cancer? Would you run as fast and far away as you can? Yes BPD can be very difficult to deal with and even understand, but if you love someone wouldn't you try to help them? I guess some people just don't want to be bothered with it and it is easier for them to walk away from the situation. Before I met my wife I would say I was a nice person and was doing okay in life, but after living with a BPD for more than eight years now I can honestly say I am a better person (and it's not because I helped my wife). The reason I say this is because she really challenges me to grow in many ways I did not think I could. From my experience I have come to learn that BPD'ers see things black or white and can cut out the BS in the middle. Understanding this I have seen myself grow and bettered myself thanks to her. It might not seem this way at the time when you’re arguing or in heated debates, but being married to her has made me grow in ways I am grateful for. Also she has grown as well, doing a lot of self healing and searching for therapy to better understand her mental illness. Looking back I can say she has grown and overcome some of the issues she has gone through. Now she is able to calm down faster understand when it's the BPD. This is something that she will have to live with for the rest of her life, it might get better or not but she never gives up on trying to at least understanding her illness a little more every day. So please don't run away as fast or as far as you can, I'm not asking you to be in a relationship or even get married to a BPD but just trying to help someone in need. Just being there as a friend could be enough.
- seltaeb4, on 01/12/2009, -5/+25I too dated a girl with BPD. The more I got to know her, the more she showed herself to be vain, cruel, and completely without regard for the feelings of others, except insofar as causing pain and distress.
A word to the wise: don't get involved. - jguy584, on 01/12/2009, -0/+19I have a codependent friend with a BPD girlfriend of 4 years.
It's like the perfect storm of relationships... - diearzte, on 01/12/2009, -11/+28I've dated a girl that is borderline for about a year. Stay the hell away from these people they will only bring you down.
It's always the same. They go from being extremely caring and loving to hating you within seconds. They wont show there true side of who they really are until they have you hooked and emotional attachments are formed. Once they know they have you the madness begins. They will rage at you for no reason, be abusive, want nothing to do with you, become extremely clingy, and smear campaign you to everyone.
The relationships never work out because ultimately you are their trigger. Infact borderlines behaviors get worse when they enter a relationship. These people can never keep it together, as hard as they try to act normal they can not sustain it for any reason. Infact.. Normal is very scary to them..
How to Spot a Borderline?
They will tell you they love you within 2 weeks
They will tell you their darkest secrets very fast
They will put you a pedestal and idealize you
They will force a bond very fast that does not exist
They will share many of your thoughts, interests, and desires
They will usually hate their family or have family problems
You will notice that the person is damaged but will overlook these things because of how wonderful they seem to be.
If you see these signs RUN! and do not look back. These people are ***** insane and will have you questioning your own sanity. Nothing you do can help them, only long term therapy can. They will only take advantage of your kindness use you for everything you have and then drop you like you never meant anything to them at all. They are not sociopaths but they might as well be considering they arent able to have empathy for people because they are too caught up in their own problems. They see people as a resource, they want to be distracted from feeling crappy all the time. Some use relationships, some use drugs, every borderline acts maladaptive and lack healthy ways to cope. You may think they care about you but they don't. (they may care in their own way but..) - wolfmann, on 01/12/2009, -1/+14As for all the above comments -- not all people with bi-polar and borderline personality disorder are bad people, sometimes they just get the switch flipped and don't really realize what they're doing until it's too late. It's part of the disorder, they act on their emotions.
I should know, I've dated for 2 years and am about to marry one -- there are some new medications out there especially abilify that can help a ton. However not every medication in the psychosomatic world will work the same for everyone so it's always figuring out which works best for the individual person.
The biggest thing I've found is she has tried to seek help, found it and has been helped. She accepts she has a disorder and is dealing with it -- these are the biggest steps to overcome.
From the article:
88% of those who received a diagnosis of BPD no longer meet the criteria for the disorder a decade after starting treatment.Most show some improvement within a year.
I can tell you this is very true for my fiance. - smotpoker, on 01/12/2009, -2/+15I was diagnosed with this at around age 15 or 16. Last time I was in jail the intake-screening nurse likened it to split personalities. When I got out, I went to look it up and couldn't really distinguish it from bi-polarism.
Anyway, this article seems insightful. Dugg
*goes to finish reading it* - amybenedict, on 01/12/2009, -2/+14I read digg frequently but have never felt compelled to comment before...
I have Borderline Personality Disorder and frankly, I am disturbed by some of the comments that are being left. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I sympathize with those who have had bad experiences with people who were "BPD", and I am very very sorry that you had to put up with such awful behavior. However, I find it funny that several people have accused certain ex-girlfriends or whatever of running "smear campaigns" against them..when these posters themselves seem to be running a smear campaign against those of us who unfortunately suffer from such a horrible and sometimes debilitating disease.
Please let me say, that not everyone who has mood swings has BPD and many people that say that they have it are confusing it with sometimes rapid-cycling Bi-Polar Disorder. I find it extremely irritating to see that most of these ex's are being lumped into the BPD category simply because they were ended up being mistreated.
The LAST thing that we need is people spreading that you should "run" if you find yourself involved with anyone with BPD, or to not even get involved at all. Compassion and love is what we need, understanding and empathy.....not bias and sweeping generalizations. Many of us with BPD do not realize we need it or are opposed to treatment until we have the support and love of someone to open our eyes. I know its not right, nor is it always healthy, but it is the reality of the situation.
Overall, it just makes me incredibly sad to see that very few people really ever understand what we go through, just to get through the average day. I hope that in the future there can be more awareness and education about this disease, since it tends to be one of the most misunderstood and misdiagnosed of personality disorders. - ieee, on 01/12/2009, -0/+11I found it interesting that Cognitive Behavorial Therapy turned out to be the treatment for such an intractable disorder.
Dr. Albert Ellis was voted the second most influential psychologist by the APA after Sigmund Freud. Dr. Albert Ellis practiced Freudian Psychotherapy for years and got frustrated that it took years to get any results. He noticed that patients who got better changed the way they think about their situations. Dr. Ellis went on to invent Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy ( REBT ) which inspired the creation of Cognitive Therapy.
Cognitive Therapy has been proven clinically to be as effective as drugs for depression and insomnia.
REBT lends itself to self care and being a philosophy of how to handle life. Do yourself a favor and get yourself a copy of the last edition of "Guide To Rational Living" by Dr. Albert Ellis. - shinyhappydan, on 01/12/2009, -5/+16A word to the jerk: don't generalise
- Collecto, on 01/12/2009, -1/+11I was Deeply disturbed when I read this. I think I may have BPD.
I'm going to call and make a Psychiatrist appointment first thing tomorrow. - NinaOdell, on 01/12/2009, -0/+10Are you a mental health professional?
I thought not. - remccain, on 01/12/2009, -0/+10My wife has been diagnosed with BPD. They had treated her for depression for years before we married. You think you might like to live an interesting life? Marry someone with BPD.
Your life will become damn interesting.
The good news is that most people with BPD usually 'recover' in their mid 30's ... So I only have to keep the marriage together another 10 years or so. - fefu, on 01/12/2009, -9/+19I dated a guy who had BPD. It was hell. So, girls, if you find yourself with one of these, use him for all the sex you can get, and then dump his ass and tell all your friends that he's good in bed but SO crazy that everyone in town needs to stay clear of him. Then, let him get used and manipulated by everyone who knows his "secret" until he does, finally, kill himself.
Ok, I'm being sarcastic. But switch genders, and you'll hear a lot of this kind of stuff from guys. And I know a girl who killed herself over this type of thing. The ways that lots of guys ruin girls lives because they're "crazy," and when they get older, they use a term like "BPD" to explain it so they sound smart, is sickening. Not every girl who likes sex and get a little jealous sometimes is "crazy" or has BPD. And what are you doing to her to bring out her worst traits? Cheating on her with her friends? Addicted to porn? Just act like a neanderthal? Why don't you try taking a look at yourself first. - Mujokan, on 01/12/2009, -0/+9That is very well said. The only caveat I would add is that you have to know what you are getting into. You have to have the strength to deal with it, and be able to deal with the manipulation -- which means you need a certain amount of life experience. And you have to be able to help the person get help.
Just staying around being a punching bag is not helping either party. Some people can handle this -- others may make it worse, *particularly* if they are helpful and compliant all the time. It can be the best decision to leave. Someone in their first relationship, taking the abuse because they don't know better and aren't confident, is not a good match for a person with this condition. - maz2331, on 01/12/2009, -0/+8FTA: "If some of this sounds like advice you heard in kindergarten, it should. Remember that borderlines have never learned to regulate their emotions."
Right there is the "bingo" line to understanding the disorder. It's raw emotion acted upon as if it is fact. Borderlines "feel" first then adjust their thinking to fit into "the reality" created by emotion. Non-borderlines tend to have emotional reactions to reality. It is the antithesis of being rational and reasonable.
Borderlines look at the world in an almost binary fashion - everything is either "perfect" or "horrible", with a bias that anything less than unachievable perfection is "horrible". Uncertainty and ambiguity are concepts that they just don't "get" and they will obsess over trivial issues, filling in details with emotional speculation treated as proven fact. - Mujokan, on 01/12/2009, -1/+9Who are you talking to? People posting here, or hypothetical neanderthals? With a readership the size of Digg you are going to get people who've actually dated someone mentally ill reading this article. I think your average person can tell the difference between an incompatible relationship and someone who really needs help.
Not everyone who has a negative attitude and extreme emotions is BPD, obviously. And of course relationship troubles are rarely only one person's fault. But in cases involving mental illness -- yes, it can be 90% down to one side. It happens. - pikelet, on 01/12/2009, -2/+10Agreed. It saddens me how BPD is one of the mental illnesses that people automatically assume is unfixable. It can be dealt with, but yeah, you can't save them on your own. It does hurt to see how so many people just instantly tar everyone with the same brush here.
- nWnMusic, on 01/12/2009, -0/+7Meocross, the brain can do that. We don't know everything, we can't know everything, and sometimes a new insight presents itself, and it can be so powerful the brain changes. In my case, it took some time to overcome my depression and SAD, but I did, thanks to new insights provided by nothing more than Buddhist books.
I never knew it was possible to live an almost entirely positive life, but once I realized I could, I started transforming to achieve that. It is not hard, not easy, but certainly not impossible.
We can fall, and we stand up. We learned that when we fall, we get hurt, so we try not to do it again. But some of our behaviour isn't so obviously hurting us as falling and physical pain is. We might make the same mistake over and over again, because we simply do not know we are hurting ourself. I think it is the same with BPD, they simply don't know any better than to do what they do. Or if they do, they are unaware of the solutions to their problems.
But one thing certainly is needed to change, and that is a somewhat open mind. Maybe that is something you could try, since your statement is a "we can't" statement, while you can not know. At least, you can not know how the brains of others function. So maybe you should stop judging that. And maybe not. - sockpuppets, on 01/11/2009, -2/+9Thank you captain obvious.
- Stuntaneous, on 01/12/2009, -1/+7its a bit hard to run once youre roped in and willing to support them as much as you can. youre pretty much ***** if youre unlucky enough to go out with one of these crazy girls, you wont know what a mistake youve made until its too late.
- Mujokan, on 01/12/2009, -0/+6That's true, but it's kind of a philosophical question. Where are you going to draw the line on causation and responsibility? Acting ***** is almost always a suboptimal way to behave, so to some extent everyone that acts that way is being irrational due to whatever factor in their background. The bottom line is that you have to realize when you can't help someone, and give them your best advice but leave them to it, whether they are officially classed "mentally ill" or not.
- inactive, on 01/12/2009, -2/+8I had a BDP girlfriend for a year and a half and I'm amazed at how much I can relate to the experiences of other guys on this board. I actually registered to Digg just to comment on this.
I'm a very kind person, always willing to help. I had a depressive girlfriend for 5 years and helped the poor girl all along. On the other hand, a BPD girlfriend will burn you out in 2 months.
They'll trick you into thinking you are the perfect match by mimicking you. They'll give you awesome sex, lots of fun, until one day, they will jump on the first occasion to completely destroy you. You will hurt. You will feel like *****.
Somehow, they will make you feel as if you are a bad person. They will manage to cut you out of any other relations you have (friends, family, etc). They will take advantage of you.
Diarzte is so right about the way you can detect a BDP in his post up there. It fits perfectly with my experience. You will not be able to help them. They will make you feel bad about helping them. And then, one day, when you decide you had enough, they will be ultrasweet and will seek for help and ask for your support. They will give you everything you want. Somehow, you will fall for it like an idiot.
I am still recovering 2 months after I broke up. I was so willing to help that girl, but she almost killed me.
It's cliché. It's terrible. But it's true. RUN!!!!!!!
Maybe they ARE sick and need help. But in every day life, they are EVIL. - anycolour, on 01/12/2009, -1/+7I have BPD (and bipolar too) and I know I'm not the easiest person to deal with. But for all you narrow minded commenters who are stigmatizing those with this disorder as monsters I'd like to say several things. First: ***** you. Second: I don't know about others with BPD but I'm pretty sure my experience similar- I try so incredibly hard to control myself and to get better. None of us would wish this disorder on even an enemy. It's disturbing and saddening that people will brush off our behavior as purposefully nasty and selfish. I can't emphasize enough how much it hurts to read some of the above comments.
Moreover, BPD is NOT PMS. That's ridiculous. Not every woman has BPD either. No one can diagnose this unless they are a psychiatrist, so please stop labeling past girlfriends as BPD just because she broke your heart or was a bitch. BPD can't be turned on and off, it's not something that was chosen. Most of the time those with BPD had a very traumatic childhood that damaged them so severely they had to cope by repressing emotions or dissociating etc.
Just please try to put yourself in a BPDer's shoes and stop being so abusive towards people with mental illness. BPD is no less real or damaging or difficult to live with than schizophrenia, for example. - InfernoX, on 01/12/2009, -0/+6Good on you for seeking confirmation. I never could do that myself.
- jikmo, on 01/12/2009, -0/+6So your solution is to lock them up?
Imagine for a moment that you were locked up because someone told you that you had an illness and might hurt yourself or others. You might have this illness, but you know that there's no definitive diagnosis, no blood test or anything like that. You know that it's not necessarily true that you'll hurt yourself or others, but that there's only a chance. Furthermore, you're locked in a facility with only 3 rooms and only 10-20 other people. You're not allowed to leave, and you might never get out. At most, you're allowed to go to another floor of the facility for an hour a week for group therapy with another group of people.
Now what I'm describing is usually the sort of place people will go for a short term hospitalization, a few days to a few months. I don't know how long term facilities usually are (though I've seen a few that were even worse), but I imagine that they're not much better. However, if we'd start locking up people just because they have a mental illness, you can be sure that the long term care places would get filled up right away and most people would be stuck in short term facilities or worse.
Tell me, would you be more or less likely to hurt yourself if you're stuck in a place like that? I don't know about you, but if I were stuck in there for a year or two and had no hope of ever getting out, I'd be likely to try to kill myself as soon as I'd find a way to.
And what does it matter if I'd have a good chance of killing myself outside if I hate every moment of my life because I'm locked up? - regfmcd, on 01/11/2009, -4/+10Great article and if someone suffers from this then he/she knows what kind of "treatment" is effective and brings relieve.
- classclownfish, on 01/13/2009, -0/+6Powerslave--
It's kinda both. I think having a family member who has it probably makes you more susceptible to getting it. And sexual abuse is supposedly linked to it as well.
Anyway, like some of the other posters I registered just so I could comment on this. I've been reading Digg forever and I was really excited to see this posted because I have BPD and I like to see people spreading awareness. This is one of the most misunderstood disorders that exists, so let me drop some knowledge on you all.
Yes, we are VERY hard to deal with. I've been with four different therapists within the past year. No one really wants to get caught up in that mess. Same goes for boyfriends. I have been so lucky to be with a guy that can pretty much understand the way my brain works. I was extremely upfront with him about it when we first met. I don't like hurting people, but I know I DO because of this. I have gotten really aggressive towards him to the point where he has had to restrain me to keep me from harming him, and there have been times where I HAVE hurt him and I know that no one really wants to deal with that.
Yes, alot of us are completely out of control. Alot of us ARE in institutions. Alot of us DO commit suicide, and most of us self-harm. But there are alot of us that want to get better. I am thankful that I am fairly aware of my disorder, and I really want to get better because I have a parent who has it and I try to control it as much as I can so I don't end up being a parent like her. Sometimes I think I am ok, and then suddenly I am just so not ok. It's incredibly frustrating for us, but alot of us do TRY. Unfortunately, there is not a whole lot of help out there available for us. I have been on-and-off self-harming and having suicidal thoughts since I was 11. I've almost been institutionalized four times now in just the past two years and have been to the ER once. But I won't go, even though sometimes I feel like I really might need to, because I know that BPD diagnosis on my chart might mean I am there forever.
No, the disorder isn't just PMS'ing. It is so incredibly and horribly real. To everyone who says that it's not, I'd like you to come live a day in my world. You'd get a bitter taste of the reality of this.
No, we are not overmedicated. I disagree with the article in that respect. There is NO medication on the market for BPD right now. Yes, you can try to fix it with SSRI's or mood stabilizers or antipsychotic meds. And sometimes it helps, but usually it doesn't which is my experience. BPD is NOT a clinical disorder like depression, and therefore lies much deeper. That's why its called a personality disorder. BPD isn't just a big conspiracy by the drug companies to make money. Of course, BPD usually presents with other clinical disorders like bipolar disorder or depression, which they make medication for and which can be treated. There are many, many other psychological disorders which are total overdiagnosed, money-making scams like AD/HD and depression. Not to say that these don't exist, but I think they are grossly overdiagnosed. But, yet, I am rambling...
I could really, really go on, but I will spare you. For now. - InfernoX, on 01/12/2009, -1/+7The only part of that comment I agree with is the 'how to spot a borderline" part, as that is very accurate. The rest is ***** though.
- InfernoX, on 01/12/2009, -0/+6Don't treat it as if it's a conscious malicious decision to act that way. :/
- TheMachine1, on 01/12/2009, -3/+8A person with BPD could not tolerate the abuse MrBabyMan has got on Digg. They would literally aggressively respond to every negative comment, vanish, become trolls or kill themselves.
- TheMachine1, on 01/12/2009, -1/+6I disagree on BPD not being a "chemical imbalance". I have read a lot of articles on impulsivity as it relates to ADHD or heavy metal poisoning and BPD is often mentioned in those searches on impulsivity. The simple fact that heavy metal poisoning like lead can increase impulsivity suggest there is a strong neurological basis for some types impulsivity. Granted BPD impulsivity may have a very different mechanism than lead poisoning or ADHD.
- inactive, on 01/12/2009, -0/+5Indeed. Digg addiction.
- Norumeni, on 01/12/2009, -1/+6FTA: The methods of self-harm that borderlines choose can be gruesomely creative. One psychologist told me of a woman who used fingernail clippers to pull off slivers of her skin."
I've done this many times before, and I'm not crazy, it actually feels really good, as long as you stay within range of the thick skin on your hand. - Stevethegreat, on 01/12/2009, -1/+6The things is that our brain has no one "center of decisions". At every given moment there can be as many as more than 100 regions of the brain lighting up for a given decision or emotional response. As such what we call our mind which is ultimately us, (it) is the result of all those different regions. Most of the times there is a "ruling party" and as such we can know what we feel or what our decision would be, but apparently there are people in whom brains a battle rages. There is no 3 or 4 dominant parties like in sufferers of schizophrenia, but a million little voices. Maybe that's what psychologists call BPD and that's why it is far more potent and dangerous than a mood disorder, it IS the king of mood disorders, an ungoverned ship...
- lkg4btrlife, on 01/12/2009, -0/+5It is difficult to cope with from both sides both the sufferer and the family and friends. But borderlines need stability and support even if it takes sacrifices. They have had so many losses and traumas in their lives that for the most part everything falls apart with the slightest change. Although things can get better and life can improve. Borderline Personality Disorder is not a chemical imbalance or something that can not be changed. Lots of hard work will eventually lead to better coping and a stabler life for the Borderline. It is a disorder that does not have to continue it can eventually be managed and no longer even be diagnosable.
- remccain, on 01/12/2009, -1/+6God bless you for sticking it out. I know exactly how tough it can be at times.
- smotpoker, on 01/12/2009, -0/+5I agree with InfernoX. I supposedly have this and in my experience there is a strong desire to be close to someone but an equally strong resentment to the notion of trying to fit in and people thinking they know me or acting like I owe them something. The resentment doesn't get hidden I think, it just doesn't exist until the relationship evolves and certain new aspects of it start to manifest.
I mostly thought it was somewhat normal until recent years... sorta like cabin fever. Spend a whole lot of time with someone and you notice little things more and they annoy the ***** out of you but with bpd the annoyedness never seems to go away once it sets in until it's too late. - remccain, on 01/12/2009, -0/+5It's not unfixable, Pikelet, but living with someone that divides the world into Black&White and places *everything* into one of those categories is tough. A relationship with someone with BPD is not recommended for the faint of heart because it can be akin to tap-dancing across a minefield.
- amybenedict, on 01/12/2009, -0/+5I'm sorry if you misinterpreted what I was saying.
In no way was I implying that these weren't very real situations that you and many others have had to experience. I am not denying that many with BPD can and DO act in a very negative and hurtful manner. And again, I am truly sorry that you had to deal with that. Please do not feel like I am minimizing or "rejecting" your experiences.
All I am trying to say is that I am GENUINELY sad that this is such a misunderstood disease.
I have been through years of therapy and I am working VERY hard to cope and deal with Borderline. I have "looked in the mirror" several thousand times and I am still to this day learning new things about myself each time.
I do trust what you are saying, but I hope that you can also trust what I have said without skewing it to sound like I am playing the victim. I am looking for no arguments here. Just offering some first-hand insight on an issue that is very close to my heart and I feel very strongly about. - newtondave, on 01/12/2009, -5/+10Wow, what a load of mis-information and *****.
- legendofea, on 01/12/2009, -3/+7Listen buddy, this hits close to home since I have this, but there was no way of you knowing. Is it so weird to have suicidal thoughts and at the same time try to ease the tension within you by joking, which eventually releases some of that crap you have inside? This is what I deal with. Again, I am not mad at your comment but please use less exclamation marks next time, it makes me feel bad.
- BoneheadFarker, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4This is why you carefully select those who's brand of nutjob mental case compliments your own brand of nutjob mental case. Unfortunately for me, I seem to be a very special brand of nutjob mental case.
- newtondave, on 01/12/2009, -2/+6Massive *****-off for thinking ***** and sweeping generalizations are a Good Idea.
- jikmo, on 01/12/2009, -1/+5I don't know what you're talking about when you say that women don't talk about how crazy their exes are. Most girls I talk to (yes most), constantly complain that every guy is crazy and out to get them. I've yet to meet a girl who didn't complain to me at some point about a crazy ex. Sometimes I could agree that the ex was crazy, but most of the girls were just being spiteful.
On the other hand, most guys I talk to who say that their exes were crazy have cited actual psychiatric evaluations. I've seen guys occasionally claim that a girl was crazy for doing something like telling people that he's an ***** or smashing up his car after he cheats on her, but it's usually pretty clear that he knows he deserved it.
Of course guys are less likely to get psychiatric evaluations and to go for therapy, so there are more guys out there who are crazy and won't admit it than girls.
You seem like you're just really spiteful. Are you sure that whoever you're trying to defend isn't actually crazy or that the guy(s) you're complaining about weren't
a) crazy themselves or
b) complaining though they knew that they deserved it? - Stuntaneous, on 01/12/2009, -0/+4and "something that can not be changed".. its generally accepted theres a very good chance you can't ever fix it.
- DivineMonkey, on 01/12/2009, -3/+7As somebody who has this disease, all i can say is wow...You really are ignorant. Sounds more like you've had your heart broken by your 14 year old gf.
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