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- saguratus, on 10/11/2007, -4/+43I have doubts about the accuracy of this article - there's an enormous amount of fud being slinged around as things like:
"It hides in tofu dogs under aliases such as textured vegetable protein, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, and lecithin--which is troubling, since the processing required to hydrolyze soy protein into vegetable protein produces excitotoxins such as glutamate (think MSG) and aspartate (a component of aspartame), which cause brain-cell death."
Labeling Glutamic Acid [(Glutamate) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamate] as something evil is what caught my attention. Further research shows that the entire article is full of crap. Nor does MSG have any negative health effects (provided you're not one of the few who have severe reactions to it), and is completely unrelated to to glutamic acid in soy.
Aspartic Acid [(Aspartate) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartate] is certainly not bad for your health either.
So, I'm lead to believe that either the author is quite ignorant on this matter or has some vendetta against the soybean. - cricoste90, on 10/11/2007, -5/+43Soy isn't rich in estrogen.
It's rich in phytoestrogens and you would have to take kilos upon kilos of soy based foods for them to mess up your estrogen balance.
And news flash everything is a poison; dosage is what makes the difference. If you base your entire diet around soy then you will most likely face some consequences. - psygnisfive, on 10/11/2007, -9/+37Wouldn't we need massive amounts of studies to show these effects? Don't we have millions and millions of people in eastern Asia living longer than Americans, despite eating so much soy product? Wouldn't that count as massive amounts of data AGAINST this conclusion?
- Muzical84, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24This could be a problem... I'm lactose intolerant, and soy milk is cheaper than Lactaid.
- Spider27, on 10/11/2007, -8/+25Something is up with soy, even on Diggnation they said it was the cause of homosexuality! This could be bad.
- edebolt, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19its wise to differentiate soy products. Fermented Soy products like Tempeh are considered the healthiest. Soybean Curd is next healthiest and soybean milk or tofu which is milk with stabilizer is considered less healthy and then TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein) and similar products are considered the least healthy. Whether or not its GMO and or Organic also has a bearing on where the product stacks up.
- carpespasm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Being born is a major contributing cause to death. Nearly 100% of those who identify themselves as being "born" agree that they will be dying some day. Interestingly a Mr. N. Flamel was the only one to disagree.
- xstarsprinklesx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14FTA: "'Soy is not a food that is native to North America or Europe, and you have issues when you move food from one part of the world to another,' Bauman says. 'We fare better when we eat according to our ethnicity. Soy is a viable food, but we need to look at how it's used.'"
So people should only eat the foods that are grown in their own regions? Or, more realistically, eat foods native to the regions of their ethnic backgrounds? This makes no sense, especially in today's global society. - ceralor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17RTFA! They eat -fermented- soy products, not unfermented. Most other soy use is unfermented.
- rlegions, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I recommend water. It is lactose-free and it's made up of 99% same stuffs as milk.
- PixelEater, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Did you read the article? It explains exactly what the difference is. Asians mostly enjoy fermented soy product which is far healthier.
- zaffir, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11To your body, the phytoestrogens in soy are the same thing as estrogen. They bind to the estrogen receptors in cells and have largely the same effect.
Also, most food products available in the States contain soy, even beef and poultry that had soy in its feed. The American diet is loaded with the stuff, so you could conceivable get kilos upon kilos of it. - Dax420, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Rats milk tends to carry Bubonic Plague. I recommend breast milk.
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Hemp seed milk? lol
- Renton, on 10/11/2007, -8/+16Well until America starts to regulate RBGH, I will continue to drink soy instead of milk. That stuff is dangerous. It has been known to cause cancer, and it's banned almost everywhere outside the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBGH#Controversy_about_rBST
- yutt, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Soy makes dogs viciously attack children, and soy raped and impregnated my brother.
Hitler had soy that he made the Jews eat. - KMartSheriff, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Goats milk tends to be too sour. I recommend rats milk.
- totalnet, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I know they said that the Chinese only have a small port soy as tofu. But in some part of northern China, where meat is hard to come by, they eat lot of imitation meat made out of soy. People there are been vegetarian not by chose. If they want see the long term effect of soy, they should do a study on them.
Anyway, if you ever been to a vegetarian Chinese restaurant, those dishes came from that part of China. - masamunecyrus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I recommend rice milk. It has a crisp, cold, 'refreshing' taste to it, I think. ...And it doesn't taste like eating soybeans.
- FearNoEvil, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Check out www.thedoctorwithin.com and read the article titled The Magic Bean. Soy isn't what everyone thinks it is and what companies like Monsanto want you to believe. Soy is in everything! Eat real food and avoid anything processed and/or manufactured.
- emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Almond milk is a healthy substitute and tastes much better than soy milk.
- StanleyReturns, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I can corroborate this. Im a man who who after several months on a soy-heavy diet noticed that I had not menstruated once since I began this diet. Coincidence? I think not.
- staplez, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I would worry about it, you see the secrete to Japanese people eating tofu is that tofu is a side dish. This is why they don't have health problems. Meat and Fish is the entree. Eating tofu the way Americans do would be like drinking gravy. You can see how drinking gravy would be bad, but some how think Tofu is healthy. That's why we call you foolish American. Cause we know Gravy straight would be awful too.
- kageki, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10I'm absolutely offended at such an obvious hit piece. The title is an out right lie and the whole article is deliberately written in an obfuscating matter.
As the article even suggests in the middle, it is not the soy that is bad, but the processing of it. Yet towards the end the author somehow manages to distort words and the reader comes out with the impression that there is something wrong about soy itself. If you read carefully the article does correctly quote doctors talking
about PROCESSED food. In actuality you can talk about any food in the context of this article since it is the PROCESSING that is bad for your health. This is a deliberate association of soy and potential health issues with malicious intent.
I am even more enraged to find out there is even a whole soy controversy? You can't possibly convince an asian person that soybeans are bad. I can bet you my life that the Japanese government would never ban soybeans or even hint it can be bad.
What is more telling is how they specifically mention the cancer fighting ability of soybeans. The drug companies are afraid that people would know that soybean does wonders against cancer. I have even watched a japanese documentary praising its miracle abilities when I was a kid.
This is an outright lie. Ask yourself. How can a natural food be bad? - DiggCommando, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6you MUST differentiate between fermented and non-fermented soy products. Just as fermenting milk for a long enough period creates nearly lactose-free yoghurt fermenting soy changes it completely. It is a myth that the Japanese diet is rich in non-fermented soy products.
- anachronaut, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I'm not sure why you're differentiating between soybean curd and tofu and then classifying them in two different ways.
Soybean curd = tofu. You get tofu by curdling (hence the curd) soy milk, much as you get cheese from curdling milk.
I'm not sure what this "less healthy tofu" is that you're describing as "soy milk with stabilizers", but I've never heard of such a thing. - cricoste90, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7They sell rBGH-free milk nearly everywhere.
- rlegions, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9OK this is retarded. Why do you need to research the danger of a food that was safely eaten for millennium. I suppose if you look have enough you can find danger in everything.
- ColdDimSum, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Um, Hemlock is natural too as are all those mushrooms that are deadly poisonous. Natural does NOT mean healthy or safe. Like most edible products, the key is likely moderation. If you eat or drink too much of *anything* it's bad for you (even water!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication - charmedguy18, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Please and thank you. =]
- Respec7, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6whats the problem? thought everyone knew soy milk changes people into hippies...
- edebolt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I guess they call it different things in different places. Here in Thailand the Tofu is made from coagulating soy milk with calcium sulfate aka gypsum. What they call the soy curd here is the top layer of thicker material that floats above the soymilk which is dried into strips or sheets. The heavier more liquid and bottom layer is the soymilk which is then coagulated into Tofu. The process is crush the soybean and then boil to separate the milk from the heavier material or what I call the curd. I am not sure what its called stateside. In China I definitely see both the products but can't remember what the call the top layer strips.. I usually just point to it.
- esotericguy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9it seems that double posting will kill you these days
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+14Too much of anything and everything is bad for you. We should just go back to eating twigs, berries and the occasional already dead animal and just not live long enough for these problems to develop.
- consonance, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Breast milk tends to attract PETA. I recommend man milk.
- rlegions, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Haha. This is probably one of the best comments I read on digg
- mistertim, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Wow. This whole thing is so ridiculous. Asian diets, and the Japanese especially, have been soy-heavy for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. And funnily enough, Japan has the highest life expectancy in the world at 82 years (the USA is ranked only number 31 at 77 years).
- kageki, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Those are nothing but conspiracy theories with weak evidence supporting them. To point just that out seems like such a gross misrepresentation of soybean and that webpage. The overwheliming amount of information and studies presented on that page is positive.
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Well, if Soy is a problem, there's always Hemp seeds, they're even better nutrition wise... and can even make hemp seed milk... lol plenty of other food options from hemp seeds.
- acdcfanbill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3After seeing meet the parents, I recommend cat's milk.
- zephc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4rice milk tends to be full of sugar. I recommend goats milk.
- devilspy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3All these complications. Government sponsored breast feed water fountains is where it's at.
- The_Dude, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4WHy is everyone flipping out? Can't you just eat meat instead? Mmmm meat.
- nanboya, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The classic problem with the North American diet; eat in excess everything that is supposed to be "good" for you and throw up your hands in fear when something bad (inevitably from overconsumption) is reported.
Why can't you just eat a balanced diet and take better care of your bodies? - diffraction, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4There have been warnings about soy for awhile now. It is just that everyone ignores it. It is a very cheap crop and the soy PACs are large.
- mikeon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The problem is goats milk is worse for people who are lactose intolerant than cow's milk is.
- xstarsprinklesx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The thing is, almost no one has one "people" anymore. Myself, for example: half Lebanese, half Irish/Scottish/English. What kind of food should I eat, then? Primarily Mediterranean? Or primarily British/Irish? Or half & half? In reality, I just eat a wide variety of things, like most people do (including a lot of soy, which doesn't seem to bother me at all).
- Altotus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Ummm... Soy is a PLANT. All plants are toxic to some extent. Unlike animals, the plants don't have much of an option to run away. Instead, they produce substances that are toxic to those that consume them. A lot of it is directed at insects, of course, but it's no mistake that you see powerful alkaloids, narcotics, and a wide variety of other toxins in plants. There's even a whole class of compound from plants called "anti-nutritional factors" that screw up digestion and nutrient uptake.
However, it's matter of dosage and adaptation. We've adapted ways to counter the toxic substances and ANFs in a wide variety of plants, and while some are outright deadly, most are perfectly harmless to consume in reasonable quantities. Soy is no different. Sure, it can possibly have all the effects listed in the article (and yes, the phytoestrogens can promote breast cancer in some women with a sensitivity), but generally speaking soy is a very low toxiciy substance. Assuminig you don't make your diet exclusively soy (your diest ought not be exclusively anything), the risk is low enough that it not worth worrying about. - theoverlord, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Yes and there have been some studies done on populations in Asia on this topic. One in Japan (in Japanese) and another in Hong Kong (in English). The HK study showed that people who regularly ate soy as part of their diet had reduced risk of death compared to those who ate it less frequently or not at all. http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=11&art_id=36380&sid=11795306&con_type=1&d_str=20070119&sear_year=2007
I think the key thing to get here is that, like most things, soy is good in moderation, eating it regularly can help but eating only soy isn't a good choice. - phunlee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Land O Lakes makes a good, slightly cheaper lactose free. Also a few grocery chains started carrying their own cheaper brand. Kroger for one, if you've got those in your area. It's good, too. and much cheaper. I think they'll become more prevelant in a year or two. I quit Soy a while back, but mainly b/c I discovered how to make vegetables taste delicious.
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