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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+68This article is useless.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+59Children who spend the better part of their day, every day, being ridiculed by their peers and treated as outcasts based on no fault of their own are more likely to suffer from depression. News at 11!
- commie, on 10/12/2007, -9/+65The team also found that 115% of themselves had flunked statistics at least once.
- trghpy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+50Maybe its good there wern't pictures.
- maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+32for many people, it's not that simple. when I was young I used so many different types of products and treatments that it boggles my mind, and next to nothing worked.
- AgentEntropy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I say, put a positive spin on it.
"Study finds 87% of teens with bad acne never attempt suicide." - SetarconeX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25I don't see anything in the story about how many non-acne suffering teens have tried suicide, so how can I tell if this statistic should bother me?
The is exactly how you DON'T write a story with statistics. Lame. - hbweb500, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Acne is rarely a hygienic issue, rather it is a condition which comes about due to factors not under the control of a person, such as heredity and the function of all those pores on the face.
Some people can use water and soap every day to keep the zits away, but I wish it was that easy for me. Clearisil doesnt work for the bad acne. I was put on Accutane months ago and I have 3 days left. During that time I had such red and dry skin, it was probably worse than having plain acne at some points. But it worked.
Accutane is thought to cause suicidal tendencies, but it is more probable that the acne itself is the culprit. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Acne like anything else that doesn't fit the perfection image paradigm of modern society (like weight problems, baldness, acne, etc) causes self esteem issues. The problem exists more in teenagers who are more heavily influenced by their peers although there is a fair bit of discrimination in our society in general against most of those things... and the humorous bit is, many people who part of one of those groups are prejudice against others of the same groups... nothing worse than a fat fat-ist.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Teens successful at suicide could not be reached for comment.
- SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15teens have acne. teens often commit suicide.
- TPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It's really an inaccurate article... The cause and effect are all wrong. Not necessarily is acne the cause of suicidal tendencies, and not necessarily are suicidal tendencies the cause of acne. It's more coincidence really, and besides, as a teenager who didn't have acne at one point or another?
- mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The National Association For Getting Acne Declared A Mental Health Risk Treatable By Expensive Drugs Paid For By Insurance", or NAFGADAMHRTBEDPFBI.
- noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9the phrase is "correlation does not imply causality"
- mrslick4470, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I was put on Accutane also. I went through almost every other acne Meds with various results. I thought Accutane was great. After a few months my acne was virtually gone, with some dry skin (but thats why there are moisturizers in the world). The boost to my self esteem was great. I'm off of it now and all I need is to wash with soap and water.
Accutane was under some heat for causing suicidal tendencies, but after seeing this article I really wonder how many of those tendencies were caused by the acne themselves. - h4lofourt33n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This is total Shinfo (***** Information).
- shadus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9If acne was actually hygiene related in most cases that might be a valid assessment, however, for the vast majority of people its hormonal and not hygiene.
I sense a great disturbance in the intellect, as if billions of braincells cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced… oh that was just your post I was reading.
Insensitive moron. - oxyrubber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9IIRC, 13% was the suicide (or suicide attempt) rate among new American soldiers in Iraq in 2002/2003. That statistic also mentioned that it was roughly the same percentage as the general public for the same age-range.
Also, teenagers tend to have high suicide rates everywhere. My guess is that it has to do with relationships and excessive hormones (which probably also causes higher incident rates of acne).
I don't think it's the article at fault as much as the scientific methods of the research team.
"The relationship between acne, depression and suicide had not been fully investigated but it may be that the skin problem was not to blame for the emotional issues, the team said."
They are injecting a possible cause without having done nearly enough research to come to that conclusion. They should have stated their hypothesis. Both articles on research and researchers themselves are becoming too sensationalistic.
At best, there is a correlation - not a causation - between suicide and acne. - spectrox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10If they ever make a connection between acne and terrorism we are all going to Gitmo..
- shadus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8... and 87% of teens wonder why .01% of the 13% they harass and belittle on a constant daily basis eventually snap and go columbine.
Kids are ruthless to each other... well I guess humans are in general, but by adulthood most learn to keep the truly nasty thoughts in their head so that their brains remain there also. - SanClemente, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You are a moron.... I wash my face 3 times a day, never touch my face and make sure I live in the cleanest environment ....I still have acne... It is genetics and stress levels.
- ardenr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Tried the Tylenol method, but I felt better after the first two...
- noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7i'd think that there might be a higher correlation between acne and negative social effects, and a higher correlation between experiencing negative social effects and suicide attempts.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -20/+26Maybe your comment is why people with acne want to kill themselves?
- thepolkapunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Study finds 90% of stories submitted with spelling errors have users who never attemtped to check spelling first.
- jsdratm, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15This study is pretty ridiculous. Obviously if your face is covered with lesions, you are going to have lowered self-confidence, which could lead to depression.
- slstsang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5who did the study and who funded it?
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"Dioxin is the popular name for the family of halogenated organic compounds, the most common consisting of polychlorinated dibenzofurans (PCDFs) and polychlorinated dibenzodioxins (PCDDs). PCDD/Fs have been shown to bioaccumulate in humans and wildlife due to their lipophilic properties. Recently, polybrominated dibenzofurans and dibenzodioxins have been discovered as impurities in brominated flame retardants, such as polybrominated diphenyl ethers."
with brominated flame retardants snowing down on antarctica this isnt an unlikely scenario.
"Dioxin enters the general population almost exclusively from ingestion of food, specifically through the consumption of fish, meat, and dairy products since dioxins are fat-soluble and readily climb the food chain.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxin
also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloracne - crawfishsoul, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Clearasil, the anti-depressant of choice among teens.
*Can't wait to come back and read this thread in 20 minutes to read all the zit jokes. - Langford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5So what is says is that young people who are in a position to be treated poorly by shallow peers will end up feeling bad? That seems kinda obvious. I suppose that this acknowledgment will justify something in the way of a remedy. One would hope that it will lead to young people treating each other better, but my pessimistic senses tell me that it's more likely it will lead to some busy-body adults suddenly hounding unsuspecting youths with face-cream and making them feel even worse.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8If causality is proved, bad acne might simply be a symptom of the presence of certain hormones that cause depression, leading to suicide. It may have less to do with "oh no I have acne, I'm depressed about it" than "I have hormones that make me depressed and a symptom is bad acne."
- kevincw01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5in other news, 13% of all teens have attempted suicide.
- kLacK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Try ACCUTANE, after 6 months I never had a lesion again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I had pretty bad acne when I was a kid and suffered from pretty poor self esteem as a result. What was almost worse though was the treatment: Accutane. It seems that there are a proportion of people who go on this medicine that become very depressed -- which included myself. Best year of my life.... thank-you Pfizer.
- enano275, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That's one stupid claim. Like SteelChiken said, a high percentage of teens have bad acne, so of course a percentage of teens with acne attempt suicide, but it doesn't mean that acne is the cause.
Other stupid inaccurate claims that would also work:
"13% of teens without a love partner have attempted suicide"
"13% of teens who listen to metal have attempted suicide"
"13% of teens that eat fast food have attempted suicide"
"13% of teens with a broken iPod have attempted suicide"
"13% of teens who visit Digg attempted suicide"
OMFG AT TJE LAZT ONEE!!!!11111!!ONE!!!! ^^^^^^ - realsurreal2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@CiXel
Suicide by Tylenol (paracetamol/ acetaminophen) overdose is very slow and very painful. Within hours you have suffered irreversible liver damage but it takes days actually to die. You have all that time to lie in a hospital bed regretting your decision while your friends and family come to weep over your last few days on this Earth. Not good. Don't do it. Phone The Samaritans instead. - erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4See if you can guess what I am now.
I'm a zit. Get it?
On a more serious note, I think this survey confuses cause with correlation. Alot of teenagers have Acne, and alot want to commit suicide. The effects of Acne on suicide rates are probably negligible. - edosmund, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I find the 13% suicide attempt rate among American soldiers in Iraq during any period to be grossly inflated. I was there for OIF III in an infantry battalion. We had one suicide attempt, it was successful. But, it was one suicide in a battalion of about 600 soldiers.
In 2003 there were 23 suicides among American soldiers in Iraq, which is 17.3 per 100,000. The civilian average that year, among 18 to 35 year-olds, was 21.5 per 100,000. Those numbers are for soldiers, I don't know about marines, sailors, or airmen. - ryanfelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow and that was in New Zealand..
Imagine the figures in America... :| - SanClemente, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The world is filled with people that are extremely judge mental. Humans look at the most ridiculous characteristics of a person to judge them.
I have really bad acne.. but I don't care about it anymore. It used to bug the ***** out of me. As soon as I stopped thinking about it as much and just did as I pleased my face started to clear up and I started dating a cutie.
I think of it as a filter.... anybody that poorly judges me based on my acne is not worth talking to. - coldphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the other 87% succeed in committing suicide.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In other news, study finds that a certain percentage of people will ALWAYS answer to the contrary on polls no matter how ridiculous it is.
- mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Googling on "what percent teenagers attempt suicide", we find:
More than 11 percent of all Latino students — and 15 percent of Latino girls — said they had attempted suicide.
A full 14.3 percent of girls who are sexually active report having attempted suicide. By contrast, only 5.1 percent of sexually inactive girls have attempted suicide.
Among boys, 6.0 percent of those who are sexually active have attempted suicide. By contrast, only 0.7 percent of boys who are not sexually active have attempted suicide.
In a 3-year study of 188 high school students, researchers found that those with poor reading abilities were nearly four times more likely than average readers to think about or attempt suicide.
8% of teens attempted suicide in 2005.
http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/figures/34-Figure-1.gif - silentdud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4This is a horrible article... this means that 87% of teens with acne did not try to commit suicide. How about a decent survey showing the overall average, and then the compared average to other teens without acne and then finally a comparison to children with parents who have divorced, etc. Then tell me how horrible the suicide rate is among teens with acne.
Don't get me wrong there is nothing I can do to lower these peoples pain, but I mean honestly, I had really bad acne and still do given I have been on medication in the past... population growth is exponential and so is AIDS in Africa, a much worse issue than the worst case of acne case I have heard of. We have bigger fish to fry. - tornpage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Recent study shows over 99% of convicted serial killers drank water at some point in their life.
- eschompthis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3These scientist really needed to do a research for this? Paris Hilton could of figured this out
- themastersb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think that's an accidental relationship between variables. You cant say for sure.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@thcobbs
Sir, I give you the thick skull award of the day for completely missing the point and going off on a long winded rant. Maye YOU are the one who needs to go back to school. Read it again. 50% of ANY population are below average, dumbass. - shadus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have a family member who took a bottle of anti-depressants, bottle of muscle relaxants, and chased it with over half a bottle of vodka 10m after her husband went to go on an overnight fishing trip. Her daughter came home for a surprise visit from college (6h away) and found her in time (
- hobnob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@truegodofwar
your statement "Read it again. 50% of ANY population are below average, dumbass." is not 100% accurate. only if it was a median average would 50% fall below the average mark. for the type of stats you speak of, a median average would not work well. a mean average might be more well suited. -
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