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- Oculus, on 10/17/2007, -0/+55Nice sensationalist headline. From the article.:
“Vitamin C is not a miraculous cure for cancer, but…it significantly prolongs the life of the cancer patient…We believe that supplemental ascorbate can be of real help to all cancer patients and of quite dramatic benefit to a fortunate few.” - codered1322, on 10/23/2007, -3/+56Studies Confirm: Mindstyle1 inaccurately titles stories
- bamafun, on 10/17/2007, -4/+28I agree - Vitamin C is one of the few things that haven't come back to say a year later really harms you so at least with this one your safe! =)
- tkgnamboodhiri, on 10/17/2007, -8/+26Vitamin C has been recognized as a cure-all by many people including the Nobel-laureate Prof Linus Pauling. This new finding is an added proof of the efficacy of this vitamin.
- jdandrea, on 10/18/2007, -3/+20To quote the article: “Vitamin C is NOT [emphasis mine] a miraculous cure for cancer, but … it significantly prolongs the life of the cancer patient … We believe that supplemental ascorbate can be of real help to all cancer patients and of quite dramatic benefit to a fortunate few.”
- vwvan, on 10/18/2007, -6/+23Snake oil. Use the internet. Check your facts. Vitamin-C is essential in the formation of connective tissue, since it enables the synthesis of collagen. However, cancer is a disease of growth factors (oncogenes like Her2nu), cell cycle checkpoints (p21), and tumor suppressors (p53) Vitamin-C has almost nothing to do with the three principles.
Vitamin-C is great for you, but has almost nothing to do with causing cancer, treating it, or preventing it. Since it is a water soluble vitamin, you can take as much as you want, the extra gets kicked overboard, unlike Vitamins-A or D, which being oil-soluble can accumulate and cause toxicity. Vitamin-A is especially dangerous in this regard. FFI: wdv.com/Cancer/Research/index.html.
Pauling advocated megavitamin therapy, taking over a gram of Vitamin-C a day. Didn't hurt. Didn't help. He died with good collagen. - byttle, on 10/17/2007, -2/+15shoulda drank that oj...
- trogdor282, on 10/17/2007, -1/+14So for an average person, about 2 pounds of vitamin C?
- SleepingOrange, on 10/18/2007, -0/+10"Studies Confirm: Vitamin C a Cure for Cancer"
Title inaccurate... how about "Intravenous Vitamin C shown to have significant benefits in the prevention and treatment of cancer" - drizzlelicious, on 10/17/2007, -0/+9My mom is a health nut. She takes multitudes of supplements and strictly watches her diet to make sure she gets all the vitamin C she needs, and has been doing so for the past 10 years. She was diagnosed a month ago with terminal lung cancer.
They may still be right, and I hope so, because my mom will definitely jump on this. I still reserve my doubts. - taintedzodiac, on 10/17/2007, -0/+7What makes you think that your body's saturation point isn't the best meter for how much is too much?
- Groovemaster, on 10/17/2007, -0/+7You forgot to include the JFK conspiracy theory. That was a lone gunman, right?
Oh, and that old conspiracy theory where the government lied about WMDs in order to trick the nation into starting a highly profitable war. That turned out to be false, right?
Conspiracy theories are sometimes factual. If you can't tell the difference between theories that deserve further investigation and theories that deserve ridicule, maybe you should just stay out of the discussion. Maybe the problem is that you don't know how to research and are dependent on the mainstream media to spoonfeed your opinions.
Lumping in ridiculous assertions (eg bombs in volcanos, aliens fertilizing apes) with reasonable doubts (government involvement in 9/11) proves nothing, but since you're clearly unable to form a rational argument, stick with what you do best and feel smug about being a mouthbreather. - dm33, on 10/16/2007, -1/+7Nice idea, but this article seems opinionated and not totally objective. They quickly come up with conspiracy theories regarding why the Mayo study was done the way it was. Most of their pro C statements come straight from a book by Cameron. 26 examples of it working doesn't trump studies that show it doesn't.
Articles like this would be more powerful in my opinion if they did not come off trying to sell a point of view. It may well be that vitamin C helps against cancer, but pushing the point rather than letting facts speak for themselves weakens the argument. - emmeron, on 10/17/2007, -1/+7Only if they can get a patent on it. Then, only for 5 years. Cancer research, on the other hand, is a multi-million (if not billion) dollar industry annually. Sorry to disappoint, but our system only makes pharm money if people stay sick.
- InfinitySnatch, on 10/16/2007, -3/+9Florida's Natural has always been open to using propaganda.
- joel2600, on 10/17/2007, -4/+10while you're ignoring things, ignore the fact that the pharmaceutical companies can't patent vitamin c or make much money off it's cure for cancer, not to mention by curing cancer they lose millions of dollars and customers
- tHePeOPle, on 10/17/2007, -2/+7Unfortunately, studies also confirm that Vitamin C does not cure douchebaggery.
- darkcooger, on 10/16/2007, -0/+5"All things in moderation." People who go ***** crazy with taking anything will probably kill themselves. I mean, if you can overdose on water, you can overdose on ANYTHING.
- glmory, on 10/17/2007, -1/+6http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ ...
- Groovemaster, on 10/16/2007, -0/+5Der-hyuk!
Sarcasm is lost on some people... - emmeron, on 10/17/2007, -0/+5You'd be crapping so hard you wouldn't know what hit you long before that. Likely suffer from dehydration too!
- rolandog, on 10/17/2007, -1/+6Vitamin C - Nature's Windex.
- PhuzzyDay, on 10/16/2007, -1/+5I"ve been pretty interested in all the info that comes out on Vitamin C - It's interesting that most mammals make tons of it in their systems. To have the same amount in a human, you would have to take around 10 grams per day if I remember right. I've done a fair bit of experimenting with it myself. Once you have enough for your system to use, it changes things in the bathroom. ("Run Forest... Run!") When you have a cold or flu, the amount that is 'enough' can double or triple very fast, as your body needs more at those times. Some say it's a clue as to why animals can eat any dead / rotting garbage they find, and don't get sick like we would.
Here is a good write up on it - http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm
Wikipedia also has some on it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_c (Under Daily Requirements)
Good stuff. I think I'll start taking it again. Wish I had never stopped actually. Stupid story. - emmeron, on 10/17/2007, -0/+4Your facts are good, sir, but equally sensationalized as the article. Vitamin-C is not snake oil any more than it is a cure. The article documents in a very clear and simple manner a good reason to re-examine Vitamin-C and research it further, but never claims a cure or otherwise. Please an article all the way before arguing against it -- surely you would know you are not arguing for or against the article its self.
- NinjaBoy, on 10/17/2007, -3/+7I used to drink a glass of orange juice every morning, and i never got sick. Then I started drinkin soda's and now i feel like ***** in the morning. I think im going back to good old orange juice.
- loganhid, on 10/17/2007, -1/+5There is a cure for every disease except death
- Lynxpro, on 10/17/2007, -1/+5Uhm, there was that study a few years back that said taking mega doses of Vitamic C (500mg - 1,000mg) had the negative effects of hardening arteries. I'd say that's a negative. Of course, now that I've typed that, I'm sure someone will crack a Viagra joke over it...
- Sairynn, on 10/17/2007, -1/+5Death is a disease just like any other. There is a cure, and I will find it.
- joel2600, on 10/16/2007, -5/+9when you take Vitamin C orally, your body reaches a saturation point, and you end up excreting the rest of what you take once you reach that point.
You can bypass this by getting a Vitamin C flush intravenously. This bypasses your body's natural saturation point and allows much more of the vitamin into your bloodstream allowing it to attack cancer more effectively. It's also just a good thing to have done. - existent, on 10/17/2007, -0/+4I think because it's been tested and people have responded better. It's not the "body's" saturation point, it's the digestive system's. The blood saturation point is different.
- itzac, on 10/18/2007, -10/+14I call *****!
- PleaseJustDie, on 10/17/2007, -1/+4Title is inaccurate, the article doesn't claim its a "cure" and from the article itself (since people using it still died, but lived considerably longer) I would say its a "treatment" not a cure.
- PhuzzyDay, on 10/16/2007, -0/+3Some feel that the point where it shows in the urine is the saturation point, but it has been rethought since animals produce way more then that. Many use the bowel tolerance method now.
- Groovemaster, on 10/19/2007, -21/+24Cancer is incurable.
Just ask the pharmaceutical industry, who profit massively from medicating cancer victims over long periods of time (or as long as they get to live) but who wouldn't profit as massively by simply curing them.
Ignore the fact that extremely rich people seem to be able to have their cancer cured. That's just pretend. - Azuroth, on 10/16/2007, -0/+3Puh-leeze! George Bush is a Crab People.
- emmeron, on 10/16/2007, -0/+3We don't know that. The orally administered subjects had mostly been pre-treated with Chemotherapy. If orally administered Vit-C was useless, we'd all have scurvy.
- jonnyeh, on 10/17/2007, -1/+4Unleaded gasoline was one of the most important changes we have made for our health and the environment in the past centuries. We're still cleaning up the mess of pumping all that lead into the atmosphere.
Why did a health nut get cancer? Probably because anyone can get cancer, and there's not much you can do about it. Andy Kaufman died of lung cancer, and he never smoked. - F1R3DUP, on 10/17/2007, -0/+3Use your brain...How could they make money from a readily available vitamin?
- PhuzzyDay, on 10/16/2007, -0/+2I wonder if the oral vs IV treatment argument still holds any water after those studies. Hey- Even if it doesn't CURE Cancer, a good oral dose will improve your general health and hopefully help PREVENT it.
- drizzlelicious, on 10/16/2007, -0/+2My mom never smoked, my dad doesn't smoke. We've had this huge air filter running in our house so our air is clean. How she got lung cancer really beats me.
- cespee, on 10/17/2007, -0/+2How many people have to die before no one dies again? Anyway, good thing that Codex, a brilliant unelected global commission, wants to limit the dose of all vitamins under the concept that everything can be a toxin to a small group of people. Like, if a fetus could overdose on 200 mg of Vitamin C, then Codex wants to make it illegal for anyone to sell doses higher than 200 mg of Vitamin C. Just look at healthfreedomusa.org about Codex regulations being proposed in the US.
- growler1, on 10/17/2007, -0/+2I agree with those of you taking issue with some of the logic tying factors together in this piece. Same goes for their treatment of Gardasil in the cervical cancer link at the top. The authors are either misinterpreting or misrepresenting research and findings in order to bolster their own point of view.
- OneLess, on 10/17/2007, -0/+2Well as long as Linus Pauling said so...
- Jugalator, on 10/16/2007, -1/+3"Vitamin C a Cure for Cancer"
"tumors would *have a more difficult time*"
Hmm... :-p What kind of crap title/summary is this. - opticwind, on 10/16/2007, -1/+3Yeah, buried for inaccurate. From the article itself: "Vitamin C is not a cure for cancer". I understand nutritional "medication" is an important step and a way to prevent the disease but the article never claims it as a cure.
- groverblue, on 10/17/2007, -0/+2I always thought that the body just flushes excess vitamin C from the body with no ill effects. That is, until I read your comment and googled for "Vitamin C Overdose." Thanks for the post.
- HalfGiraffe, on 10/16/2007, -0/+2Don't forget it is *INTRAVENOUS* administration that makes a difference! Taking vitamin C orally is useless.
- Arramol, on 10/16/2007, -0/+1Yes you can. You can even overdose on oxygen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_poisoning - Groovemaster, on 10/16/2007, -0/+1Actually, I assumed they weren't necessary...
Still, my mistake! - lazydrumhead, on 10/16/2007, -0/+1in other news, its bad for you
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=htt ... -
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