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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31"It all started with my mother....she switched from breast milk to formula last week...."
- OBDriftwood, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27It's cruel to send baby's to a shrink. They're tiny enough as it is.
- Patented, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Children get frustrated, especially toddlers that can't communicate very well (so they, like my 2yo son, use punches, headbutts, growls, and tantrums to voice his displeasure). What next, we start over-medicating and over-diagnosing human behavior?
Dear God! How did we ever manage these past 50-75,000 years as modern man without these therapies? Just think... my son needs psychotherapy because he punched mama/dad for taking something away from him that he wanted... goofy. - IHaveIssues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Parenting has taken a downhill turn in the last couple of decades. If you see a messed up kid just take a look at their home environment to see what the cause is. Especially in the States where the parents are more concerned with appearing wealthy than spending time with their kids during those crucial 0-5 years.
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21All children should have Ritalin and Prozac mixed with their food (and the mother should ingest them too so that it's also delivered through the breast).
Seriously though, this is going insane, thank god 99% of these things don't travel outside the U.S borders (over here, at least, if i asked a doc if i could take my baby to see a psychiatrist, they'd either punch my ***** in or get me locked up :P ). - ReverendRodger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13So... is it possible for our nation to jump the shark, per say? Because I think that, with this, we just did.
Seriously, it's not totally bad for a kid to have a little depression, anger, or what have you in his life. You learn more from 10 minutes of anguish than you ever will from 10 years of happiness.
So please, someone tell me, is all this coddling and stuff necessary? I mean, yeah, spend time with your kids. Let them live their own lives, though, and let them experience it. Let them learn how to deal on their own unless they come to you for help. Learning to cope with loss and all the other negative things in life is part of living.
From TFA:
"While many of these therapies were initially designed to help kids with early signs of emotional problems, more and more they're being utilized by parents of healthy babies seeking assistance with common parent-infant issues, such as toilet training and separation anxiety."
Come on, do you really need a psychologist for toilet training? In my opinion, you may be helping them cope with the stress of toilet training, but you're also creating someone that's used to someone holding their hand all through life.
It won't be long until we're giving children Ritalin as soon as they're out of the womb, or even better make it part of a mother's prenatal vitamins. - JonasParker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Punch your...your *****?
Dugg because of the super BIZARRE image. - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Cue line for George Carlin - "It's a kid, hold the damn thing from time to time. They will thank you when they are older."
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I think it's better suited for an episode of Penn & Teller: *****
- revisrev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10So yesterday I'm at the pediatrician for my daughter's strep throat. On the wall what do I see? A big advertisement for Adderal. There is a serious over-medication problem in the country. If, if, if my child is diagnosed with ADD or ADHD then maybe, I'll consider medication (probably not). There is absolutely no need to advertise for a disease, and frankly, I can't believe that my pediatrician puts that crap up there. If my child might have a disorder the doctor will diagnose it, thank you. Where is the damned DEA to stop these people from dealing drugs at the Pediatrician's office?
- brs165, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9hallelujah!! I totally agree with you ReverendRodger .
Sounds like we are moving more towards A Brave New World. Take a pill to wakeup, sleep, and if you start to be sad pop another one. What is the problem with FEELING life? - tonyhartfield, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I'd love to see a south park episode on this
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Especially since the vast majority of ADD/ADHD 'symptoms' can be curbed solely through dietary changes and proper attention/interaction from parents. Drugs are the 'i wash my hands of you' method of parenting at worst, and the 'i don't want to change anything in MY life for the sake of my child/ren' at best..
- revisrev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I think the problem is kind of multi-faceted. Some of the problem is that, yes, drug promotion has gotten completely out of hand. Another part of the problem is you have the television telling you that every parenting approach is going to hurt your kids, which provides a lack of consistency in the way one child is raised. Another side of the problem is single parent homes. Kids truly do need a mom and a dad (become a step-dad to a kid who's had a single mother for seven years, and you'll see what I mean). Finally, the last, and I think the biggest problem, is the DCFS (Child Protection agency, different states have different names I think). Parents are afraid that if they discipline their kids that their kids could be taken away.
Add all of those together with the fact that, as a society, we expect every problem to have a 30-second fix that we can buy for $50. Blammo, we're over-reacting, over-diagnosing, and over-medicating. Here are a couple of things that expectant and new parents might want to know.
1. Babies cry
2. Potty training can be difficult
3. Having a kid is not the same as having a midget for a friend
4. Kids are going to break rules just to see what they can get away with
5. If you reason with your kids as they break the rules, they will see breaking rules as a reasonable thing to do
6. If you don't take charge of your kids, your kids will take charge of you, be the alpha male (or female) in your family and let your kids know who's boss. It's your job.
One other thing, I'm sick and tired of your kids playing in the street. Next time, after the tenth honk, I'm just gonna run them over. I really don't care anymore. If they don't want to die they'll move. - SlackerCSB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Are you serious? Are you flippin' serious? I'm flabergasted...
- cwidhelm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think parents are afraid of taking responsiblity for their children. This is an easy way to say they "bought" the best care they could instead of "providing" the best care they could.
- drewman77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4See its not about the kids at all and the article alludes to that. It's about how the parents are around the kids. Calling this infant psychotherapy when all it involves is watching how the parents interact with their child and then talking with them about how they can change their behavior to raise a more balanced child is misleading at best.
On the other hand, if it gets those self-centered parents in front of someone who can help them be a better parent by saying it is psychotherapy for the child, not the parent, oh no, then maybe it is a lesser evil. - Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Pump the water supply full of mood altering drugs, if anyone questions it, its both to stop terrorists AND to protect the children, who could possibly argue against that
- DrGonzo1184, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@revisrev
"One other thing, I'm sick and tired of your kids playing in the street. Next time, after the tenth honk, I'm just gonna run them over. I really don't care anymore. If they don't want to die they'll move."
I have to agree there.
Then again, if the deer did not want to die, I would still have my new car, and deer seem a lot more intelligent that some peoples kids now days. - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have to amend what i said a little. I'm being a bit harsh on all parents. We do have to take into account some are trying their best, but are being given absolutely useless information (or information that is beneficial to their particular doctors 'sponsors').
- Cymsdale, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Holy *****, maybe Tom Cruise is right...
- waz67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yet another way to suck more money out of gullible first-time parents.
- dakboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I'll agree that many parents today aren't doing half the job their parents (and grandparents) did, we are far, far more aware of true developmental issues that kids have today than we were 10 or 20 years ago.
It used to be that all kids with behavioral issues were lumped into the ADD category because it was easy. Now we know that many of them don't have ADD, Ritalin doesn't work - they have other issues that need different treatment, or they're just plain bored, and acting out.
My nephew is generally a good kid, but he has trouble sometimes. He's distracted easily if there's a lot of activity/noise in the room. He's very smart, but he can't process instructions instantaneously like people expect - he needs to focus intently on the person giving the instructions, and process them for 5-10 seconds to "get it." If you give him that time, he's on the ball - expect an instant reaction, and you won't get it. He's nearly 6, but doesn't fully understand the space his body occupies, or what/where his arms are doing/going (if he runs up to hug me, I often get a fist to the crotch, but he doesn't mean it - he just doesn't realize it's happening).
His parents are good parents. They live within their means. There's nothing they've done that has "caused" this. The home environment is very healthy. His younger brother is showing no signs of similar traits yet. They work extremely hard with him. He gets discipline as appropriate. They've worked with a lot of professionals to identify his issues and work out how they can help him handle everything. But it's still a struggle some days. - H2SO4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, all NEWBORNS on the first day of life should be put on Paxil / Effexor/ ect as it is best to change the brain as soon as possible. After all it's for our own safety, otherwise the terrorist win.
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That was 'next' a few generations ago, sadly.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2god i sure hope this article isnt about drugging children at such a young age, im afraid to even read it though cause its too freaking absurd
- ray901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Cymru
"they'd either punch my ***** in or get me locked up"
Never let it be said that the Welsh do not have command of the English language ;) - perryb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've got to digg Cymrubeats up for the phrase "punch my ***** in". That's the funniest expression I've heard since "*****".
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It has some value, but man oh man does this pay. My wife is a speech therapist working for the school system at $50k/year, but after her contract expires she's going into early intervention: it pays $60+ an hour!
- blee27, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well its quite clear that you skeptics have no professional experience with children who have come from families where the parents are unable to cope with the children's crying, toilet training difficulties, etc. The first 1-3 years of life are the most important for building strong attachment patterns between the child and the primary caregiver. These attachment patterns, classified into secure, avoidant, and ambivalent patterns, have been documented from birth into adulthood and represent a framework for how we interact with others in our relationships and interpersonal interactions. I personally have seen this first hand as I used to work with the creators of the "circle of security" at the University of Virginia. I must say the article does make it sound like wealthy mothers are bringing in their kids for the sake of therapy, but it is more directly aimed at populations like foster and adoptive children who have not spent the first years of their lives with their current parents and therefore have developed a poor insecure attachment pattern with their biological parents and are incompatible with their new parents. Just like any other types of therapies there are going to be those therapists who are out to make big bucks and offer their services to anyone who they can make believe it will help them. I agree that not all mothers need bring their infants in for therapy but those who are feeling like the child is not responding to their soothing tactics and have difficulty responding to them definitely need to seek some sort of help. The therapy is more based around the parents' interaction with the child rather than "psychoanalyzing" the child.
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And who wouldn't feel good after 'giving' their kids that attention?
(I'm sure i don't need to tell you this :P ) It works both ways, that's what some selfish pigs need to realise...they're hurting themselves as well as their kids in the long run. - csGeekGirl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i think that if "infant psychotherapy" has had any kind of positive results it because those parents are actually making the time to take their child to appts and spend time working with them. at that age, most children just wanted to be engaged and interacted with.
i think that something that made a huge difference for my daugher was doing a nightly "baby massage". i would talk to her while i was doing and who doesnt feel relaxed after a massage?! - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ray901: Being from, and living in Scotland, I'd still have to agree wholeheartedly. On top of that, i also love the way the welsh sound, in both their native and English speaking tongue. ;) :P
- darlok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i still think that people should have to pass a certain test b4 they are allowed to spawn
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Send in Supernanny.
It's the parents who need to be taught what having a baby is all about. Yes, they cry. Yes, the keep you up at night. Deal with it. - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think that's the point anyone is trying to make. It's the people that go to see a shrink, or med themselves/their kids up just because they can't (don't know how to) cope with what, in many respects, is just the side effects of living, not mental illness per se. They aren't being shown how to, they're being taught that shrinks and meds are the only real option.
Of course people with debilitating mental problems should seek help, and sometimes medication will offer that help, but these 'are not' the people the article is about. - 60days, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, its up to professionals to decide who needs treatment. The 'snap out of it' approach does untold harm in western society and is being fought against endlessly in the mental health field. A lack of empathy will not help anyone who feels they have a problem (or worse, denies one because of fear of other peoples reactions). I think there are problems in the mental health field with labelling people with disorders too easily, and overprescribing some drugs, but these are not the same kind of criticism as people somehow just being too weak to deal with life. That opinion is a luxury of good mental health.
Also, whats described in the article doesn't seem like that bad an idea - its not really therapy so much as psychologically-grounded parental guidance. I would have a problem if they were labelling 6-month olds with 'disorders' or prescribing drugs, but that doesn't seem the case. We know a lot about child development and the importance of things like infant attachment in later life (google it, its actually fascinating reading), it would be a shame not to use that information. I just wish it was information that was more widely available, rather than locked behind a $200/hr fee (which provides an incentive for unscrupulous 'experts' to take their time, misdiagnose and over-prescribe drugs). - mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For the many diggers who commented without reading the article, it's really about dealing with the primary caregivers rather than the infant. The infant is just the indicator that something is wrong with the parent. Good luck with that, though. Most bad parents have no idea how they're f*cking up their children and they'll just get defensive if you try to explain it.
- sendmesomejunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Psychotherapy is dead or needs to die at the hands of more scientific approaches.
- umdigger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't even know where to begin....this is just ***** crazy. How about parents do their job of being a parent, and not be *****.
- ichoudhury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Checkout the Packleader episode http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?ml_video=63704
- ichoudhury, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Your comment is valid but I think that should be the last resort (getting help). What parent these days need to give their children is "Time". Sometime we observe sometype of unacceptable behavior from our kids and we jump to conclusion. Rather, we should take the time and think where it all started . Try to find the root cause and that would give you the direction (how to solve it). I know its easier said than done, but thats the approach I try to take to resolve issue with my child. Sometime I don't have the patience and simply give him a timeout, but that always work negatively. In short, when all else fails, then take the kid to the therapy (but perhaps you should take yourself to the therapy to find out the stuff you are doing wrong). :)
- 60days, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ichoudhury: google some of the attachment types listed above and their implications later in life before jumping to conclusions (or rather, sticking to preconceptions). These are real problems that can often be overcome using models that have been created by scientific research. I don't understand how people can criticise experts in their field based on nothing but their own view of how the world should work.
I agree parents should spend time with their kids, but that may not ever fix anything in some cases. - jlunski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow, this is ridiculous, every generation has had it's share of misfits and every subsequent generation tried to "fix" them. I agree that we should strive to be the best/happiest society we can but this to me sounds like we are on the road to Gattaca, what's next, in-womb 'group' with mom and dad? Sheesh!
- natertots, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Episode 404 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_2000
- Schwabby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If I were you I'd just punch him back..
- Fhwqhgads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This goes to show that drug companies will do absolutely anything to make more billions. Soon, every single living being on Earth will be on some sort of drug for life. That is their ideal situation. Imagine the PROFITS!!!
They don't give two ***** about the health of the nation, only the health of their bottom line. - blacsun21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would love to know what these kids say in their sessions.
- Nicki123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When kids feel connected to their parents and communities (support, love, etc..) they don't need therapy. Therapy, in some cases, is a way for people to stay more separated from each other.
I used to be very therapy pro, but I've come to change my mind on this. In some instances, yes, but there are so many therapists out there who mediocre, at best.
Talk therapy reminds me of someone who's house is burning down and the people inside the house are commenting about the firemen's attire.
Some body therapies are good. - coldthing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0seriously ***** up.
I'm pretty sure lots of stuff isn't even diagnosable at that age cause the personality hasn't properly solidified.
but not like thats gonna stop people charging lots of money to give the mommys peace of mind that their not ***** their babies brains up. -
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