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- SillyRabbits, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38Umm....are there any legitimate scientists that believe there is an herbal cure?
- afx1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Damn it! Now I have to dump all the shares I bought in CrazyDelusionalCures, Inc.
- KuntaKinte, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21magic johnson holds the only cure for aids in his trousers, hence the name "magic johnson"
- AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22@zybch
"There is nobody (who isn't a complete idiot) that could ever think that they would release a cure if there was a treatment to ease the symptoms which they could sell the same patient every 2 weeks instead of a once-off cure!"
Who is this nebulous "they" you refer to? Is it the same "they" who faked the moon landings and shot JFK? If someone had an actual *cure* for AIDS, do you honestly think that it could be kept quiet? Do you think that every single researcher involved, every single accountant, secretary, lawyer, etc would keep completely quiet, and no one would ever mention it ever? Not ***** likely.
You seriously misunderstand the mindset of the researchers. They're concerned with doing actual research, and getting actual results. "Hmmm, let's see, big fat Christmas bonus for not researching a cure, or a Nobel Prize? Gee, I just can't decide!" Give me a break. - friend18, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18This just in, a scientist denies the earth is flat. >.>
- chickentonight, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21mattyxo, meet sarcasm.
- scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17none that I know, and I know many
- whiskeysquared, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10...and a collective, "no *****" filled the room...
- euphemizeme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11You say AIDS, but all I can think about are pancakes.
- omglazers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9With a masters in microbiology and molecular biology and currently working for a medical degree let me show you my response to this article which nicely explains it
"... HIV is a virus, how the hell does a herb kill a retrovirus which has impregnated itself into DNA?" - geekchic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"Folic acid and B6 may prevent HIV from turning into AIDS."
The point is HIV never "turns into" AIDS.
AIDS simply a technical status - which is defined as a point in time when HIV has weakened the body to the point that multiple opportunistic illnesses can invade the body and try to collectively kill it. HIV remains HIV throughout this process.
HIV medication seeks to reduce the quantity of HIV in the blood so that the body can maintain a reasonably healthy immune system and fight off the opportunistic illnesses. - scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13you don't know what you're talking about.
Companies by drugs all the time with the purpose of developing them into marketable drugs... if a company didn't buy the license to the drug candidate, it would never have the backing needed to get through regulatory agencies like the FDA - AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@rammsteined
"Try the drug companies with the rights to all the research."
Even if a company were to buy up all the rights to an effective treatment and then just sit on it, doing so would be financial suicide. *Someone* would leak the fact that the company had a cure that it refused to manufacture, and the company could then either start manufacturing the drug, or watch their stocks plummet.
On the flip side, imagine the brand recognition that would come with a cure for AIDS. I seriously doubt that a company could pass up that level of PR. - edashofy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@zybch
"There is nobody (who isn't a complete idiot) that could ever think that they would release a cure if there was a treatment to ease the symptoms which they could sell the same patient every 2 weeks instead of a once-off cure!"
Fine. Explain how Merck, a suitable example of "Big Pharm" if ever there was, developed a vaccine for Human Papillomavirus (HPV), a sexually transmitted disease that causes cervical cancer (and genital warts). It's a one-shot deal given to young women. Those women NEVER get the virus, and hopefully incidences of cervical cancer later in life will diminish greatly as a result. It's a once-off cure for a disease.
I'm sure this drug company, and others, could make an immense amount more just treating cervical cancer. Chemo drugs are crazy expensive. I'm not sure if they give antivirals for genital warts, but I'm guessing those would be a hell of a lot more profitable too. Under your logic, however, Merck should have suppressed this drug. Or not researched it at all. So how do you explain the ads for it on TV? - AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@graveyard
"You cure HIV, not AIDS."
No, you cure AIDS. Generally speaking, cures are always spoken of in terms of the disease, not the pathogen that causes it. Just like you don't cure the Rhinovirus; you cure the cold. You don't cure pollen; you cure allergies. Etc. - ChumpChief, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Soon thereafter, they both found a Coke bottle that fell from the sky and concluded that the gods must in fact be crazy."
- gordonj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why is this news?
- Rulex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*****, i didn't need a scientist to figure that one out?, But it would make me happier if a cure was found.
Nice one euphemizeme. - scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly, which is why accusations that companies are only selling things that intentionally alleviate symptoms and don't address the root of the disease are ridiculous.
- 0110110, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is no $,$$$,$$$ in a cure.
- geekchic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You said: "I can cure any woman using sexual intercourse."
You also said: "I'd like to first cure the submitter 'geekchic'"
geekchic replied: "I am a bloke". - mattyxo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ya, you're right. I'm an idiot.
- nullcodes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@omglazers
Where did you get your degree from? A lot of drugs come from plants. First off the available anti HIV drugs we have today don't kill the virus after it's "impregnated itself into DNA", so it's unfair to demand that of herbs. The virus is usually killed during replication.
As I'm sure they taught in your medical courses .. most drugs until very recently were from plants (quinine, ephedrine, aspirin etc) or some natural source (penicillin etc).
It's not inconceivable that a plant could produce an agent that blocks the HIV replication.
Not only is it inconceivable, but it has been shown:
http://ott.od.nih.gov/db/abstxt.asp?refno=231
http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jmf.2005.8.107
etc.
Now go retake some classes. Oh well doubt you'll check this.
FWIW, I believe coming up with synthetic cures is the best approach, but I don't see the point of ignorantly pooh poohing something. - Everglow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are we all surprised, or something? I figured that this was just assumed.
Nothing against anyone though, I just felt it really unlikely that some herbal remedy was going to cure a disease that has had scientists (including myself) stumped for ages. S'pose we had to give it a run though. - scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The issue isn't finding an herb that can fight HIV, it's finding one which can fight it better than existing therapies. All new drugs for a given disease/treatment must be better than existing therapies.
I highly doubt that there is a natural product sitting in a plant that is not only potent, but potent across a large panel of HIV mutants (which is a requirement for any new drug these days). If you have a molecule which isn't potent against most mutant forms, when you start taking it you'll see the viral load drop and then 6 months later you have full blown AIDS. - illuminatiwatch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2 I believe that this is possible. As a sufferer of a different type of auto-immune disease, I was very interested when I came across this opposing point of view from some very highly regarded scientists
Peter Duesberg, professor at UC Berkeley, one of the top retrovirologists in the world for many years, is among hundreds of scientists and scholars who disagree that HIV is the cause of AIDS. http://www.duesberg.com/
and the groups site
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/reappraising/
on the far bottom right corner there is a link to a excellent documentary about this - secretivecoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I found out I am immune to HIV and AIDS. I can cure any woman using sexual intercourse. At this point, I think they would be willing to try anything, even if it doesn't work.
I'd like to first cure the submitter 'geekchic' - scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Bwahaha.... Kary Mullis is a nutter. His Nobel has nothing to do with HIV... it was for PCR. It's likely that the guy was on acid when he came up with it... and once he made his discovery, he all but left science.
I'm pretty sure every other Nobel Prize winning biologist/biochemist disagrees with him (and you). - foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hey and what about the Iranian solution? Wasn't it supposed to be publicized as a "gift to the world" a couple of months ago?
- scotticus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm pretty sure the HIV test is antibody based...
don't get me wrong, PCR is a major discovery, but it's one that would have been made if Mullis hadn't done it.
The point is, there are many, many, many brilliant scientists in academics and industry who study HIV and AIDS... I'll put my faith in the people -not- on LSD. - ill0gical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@nullcodes
WRONG!
The virus is not killed during replication. The drugs out today seek to lower viral replication and prevent entry of viruses which do get made into susceptible cells.
HIV boys and girls is just like Herpes (it's for life and it never goes away... till you die) - brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3In other news some dude in Nebraska claims the moon really is NOT made out of cheese.
- xtraa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@graveyard: yes there is :) It is on a german wikipedia site, this is the englishized version with googletrans:
http://tinyurl.com/2zkcj5
It is also called Lessertia frutescens and Colutea frutescens but you get best results if you search for "balloon pea". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the universe will produce them faster than you can block them.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2BETTER TO USE ROBITUSSIN
leg bad? put some 'tussin on it!
AIDS ... 'tussin! - ray901, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@edashofy
"Fine. Explain how Merck, a suitable example of "Big Pharm" if ever there was, developed a vaccine for Human Papillomavirus (HPV), a sexually transmitted disease that causes cervical cancer (and genital warts). It's a one-shot deal given to young women. Those women NEVER get the virus,...."
Because you can make more money selling the one-time-shot to every woman in the world rather than just the tiny percentage that would actually get the disease? - geekchic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Would you care to state what these "more important" issues are?
Remember that HIV is killing millions of people in poor countries each year - and more worryingly - tends to take out the working adults, leaving behind very old people and children. The economic impact of that alone is staggering. - edebolt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Wow this a shocker. The Gambians are not going to solve the HIV/AIDS crisis. I am crestfallen.
Oh well it was worth a try and might lead to something better. - airquotes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If there were any herbs on this earth that had some real medical merit, I wouldn't be surprised if they had all been destryoed by men cutting down rainforest or what have you.
- illuminatiwatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0PCR has nothing to do with HIV? if it wasn't for PCR there would be no test for AIDS. am I wrong?
- aspitoxphoton, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0This legal
example: http://www.productsherbal.com/ - xtmno3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1One by one I find you and block you. Eventually my digg will /b/ free of you all.
- ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@xtraa (#6413430)
Wow so it works on two completely unrelated problems. I bet it came straight outta Yahweh's hands also. Think, logic, at least try to look like you processed the information - senfo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You're one of them emo kids, aren't you?
- Rammsteined, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Try the drug companies with the rights to all the research.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'll believe that when me ***** turns magenta and cures cancer, which also can be cured using a tincture of bleach and ammonia.
- jimcarrey363, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1cure for AIDS huh?
That's a pretty bold statement.... I hope they can back that up. - Dan11023, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2did u hear that magic johnson only has one aid?
- illuminatiwatch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1there is in fact a long list of scientists who believe this
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/reappraising/
I agree with Peter Duesberg and the Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV>AIDS Hypothesis . If you're at all interested, please look into this link and Peter Duesberg's website.
AIDS is not the disease that the CDC makes it out to be. - Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Geekchic,
I suspect that DivineMonley is probably a climate change wacko.
...and when I say wacko, I mean it. Personally, I think human-mediated climate change is the most serious problem facing the planet and human civilisation. That does not mean, however that we should ignore the pain and suffering of people affected by HIV. And it doesn't mean that I think leaving millions to die, largely in Africa, will substantially effect global warming.
But then, I like to think I'm not a wacko. -
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