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- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -3/+41Hopefully, earlier diagnosis will both help autistic children and blow a big hole in the anti-vaccination bunk being peddled by the likes of Jenny McCarthy.
- dnc34, on 05/05/2009, -2/+21Hopefully this will make those anti-vaccine nut jobs realize that they're wrong.
- jhbarr, on 05/05/2009, -2/+20Never underestimate the power of the stupid (i.e. Jenny McCarthy) to misinterpret data.
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -1/+18You're right, of course. No matter how much evidence accumulates against their position, they will continue to shift the goalposts.
- nepidae, on 05/05/2009, -1/+14But but ... the child acted normal before the vaccine!
- carbonetc, on 05/05/2009, -2/+14Nothing trumps "mommy instinct". It's more powerful than all the evidence and reason in the world.
- NiftyG, on 05/05/2009, -1/+12It's easy to prevent diseases like measles, mumps, polio, pneumonia, hepatitis, chickenpox and many others.
Vaccinate.
Infant mortality has been reduced by over 90% since 1900, and vaccinations are a big part of it. - seaofcheese, on 05/05/2009, -3/+13Yeah in her book she said that it can be caused from Hep C vaccine. Well the really funny thing about that is there is no god damn hep c vaccine. When she was asked about that she said a friend had told her about it.
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -0/+10It's not a growing concern. The only reason more cases are reported is because the definition has been widened, leading to kids being diagnosed with autism that wouldn't have been diagnosed as such in previous generations.
- davidhasselhoff, on 05/05/2009, -1/+11Every single sentence you have just typed is demonstrably false, and laughably so.
I guess at least you're consistent. - inajeep, on 05/05/2009, -0/+10The 'nut jobs' won't realize anything.
- Hetman, on 05/05/2009, -0/+9I think you are confusing add with autism. Because if you yell at an autistic child it is going to cause way more harm than good. Autism has a lot to do with how the child percieves stimuli.
- spender2001, on 05/05/2009, -1/+9Signed up just to digg you down.
- joe7845, on 05/05/2009, -1/+9If that's your argument, then there's no proof that autism isn't caused by albino monkeys. You can never prove a negative.
"It's really a horrible label to refer to someone as just an "autistic child.""
That's complete *****. In disability politics, it's perfectly reasonable to refer to someone as disabled or as having a disability. Autistic people generally prefer "autistic." To do otherwise is a significant denial of the central role of autism in the way of being of someone who is autistic. An autistic person is not a normal person with an "extra" thing. An autistic person is an entirely different type of person, as evidenced by a diversity of group differences between autistics and non-autistics. - Janinco, on 05/04/2009, -3/+11Thanks for posting this!
I found an article with promising treatment a few days ago.
In case you missed it...
http://digg.com/d1q0XZ - rhapsodisiac, on 05/05/2009, -0/+7You keep using that word, "autism."
I do not think it means what you think it means. - PlanckTime, on 05/05/2009, -0/+7I'm not sure how diagnosis at 18 months to 2 years will do anything to the anti-vax argument. The first vaccines take place at a few days old and the child has had most of the childhood series by 18 months (I think one of the last sets is around then) so the anti-vax argument isn't helped or hindered by this finding.
At the same time, I hope that the early intervention does end up helping. My niece was just diagnosed and she is only 3 now. - zip000, on 05/05/2009, -1/+7I think one thing that get lost in all the vitriol in this argument is the (few) good points that the anti-vaccine people have:
we should know more about what is being injecting into our kids - what it is, what it is for, what it is made from, possible side effects, etc.
and, we should be working toward making vaccines more healthy. There are problems with vaccines, and we should be more informed about that.
I had my son vaccinated, and I didn't ever think about not doing it. But we SHOULD be wary of the pharmaceutical industry and their products. Just because they say it's OK, and even just because the FDA says its OK, doesn't mean that its OK.
By and large, I think the anti-vaccine people do a lot more harm than good (I'm not even arguing that they do any good), but that one part of their argument is valid. - inactive, on 05/05/2009, -1/+7That's ***** backwards logic.
- variant5, on 05/05/2009, -2/+7The DeSoto article discusses mercury concentration in the blood of autistic children and did not investigate vaccines.
I encourage you to look up Thimersol (the mercury-containing preservative) and its presence in current vaccines. I don't expect you to, of course, because it would contradict something that you seem very committed to believing.
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm - rhapsodisiac, on 05/05/2009, -1/+6Actually there is no proof that there ISN'T a microscopic teapot-shaped alien spacecraft orbiting mars whose inhabitants have psychic powers and an uncanny ability to control people's minds with radio waves which are actually augmented by the tinfoil hats that people think are protecting them.
Well, there isn't any.
And please don't label children who live in North America as "North American children." It doesn't matter that this is done merely for the utility and accuracy of present conversation (and without it we'd all be confused) - I think it unfairly labels them as ALWAYS AND FOREVER North American and that's not fair. They might move.
Please say "Children Presently But Not Permanently Residing In North America," every time you refer to them. After all, they're not North Americans first, they're Children first. - inactive, on 05/05/2009, -3/+8I love it when the parents come into these threads and start saying that. I bet he acted normal before you fed him, too. Maybe breast milk and formula cause autism!
- CaptCarrot, on 05/05/2009, -0/+5We've apparently always had a 1:150 rate of autism.
- joe7845, on 05/05/2009, -1/+5Actually, there's no evidence that earlier diagnoses has done anything to make autistic children non-autistic later on. Even if they diagnose it at 1 month of age, I have my doubts this is doable.
The earlier the diagnosis, the less stable the diagnosis is. But I haven't seen any convincing evidence that this is because of early intervention. In fact, studies on loss of label don't generally refer to intervention as a predictive factor. There are other factors. - Cerialthriller, on 05/05/2009, -0/+4wat
- senlei23, on 05/05/2009, -0/+4aka- Jenny McCarthy
- mbelrose, on 05/05/2009, -0/+4They also used to blame the mothers for autism, they said they didn't show enough affection. They never had any hard evidence, and their belief turned out to be false. I'm sure you "believe" what you say is true. Personally, I believe your beliefs suck.
- anonymousmedic, on 05/06/2009, -0/+4All Childhood vaccines in the US and EU are Thiomerisol free, first. And Second, there is NO evidence that vaccines are a prime suspect in autism. Way to spread false information.
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -4/+8I really hate to say this, but you're a goddamn monster. You are not only putting your own son's health at risk, but you are putting other people's children at risk, too.
- inactive, on 05/05/2009, -1/+4"We can't prove it's NOT true, so it must be true!"
- anonymousmedic, on 05/05/2009, -1/+4Autism is NOT caused by the build-up of toxins, and there has never been any sort of link derived from ANY reputable study linking the two topics. Convincing the American Public that our bodies are "Toxic" is one of the greatest medical frauds of the 20th (now the 21st) century, and it's a billion dollar quack industry. Also, you were able to "Diagnose" your child? That's LOL-Tastic.
Basically, your just repeating homeopathic drivel. "Detox" diets, Chelation Therapy, Colonics, and Wheat Grass do not cure autism, despite what McCarthey would have you believe. Also, your whole paranoid rant about the AMA is just that, pure paranoia. - wubblie, on 05/05/2009, -2/+5I have seen a theory that if there IS a rise in autism cases (definately not a given), then it may be due to the prevelance of hormonal birth control. Basically, the reasoning goes like this: when women are on the pill, it tricks their bodies into thinking that they are pregnant. Women who are pregnant prefer to be around those that are genetically similar during this time- they prefer the smell of genetically similar men, for instance. It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint, because they would be safest in this environment. Similarly, women who are ovulating and not on the pill find men who are more genetically dissimilar from them more attractive- they prefer their scent, etc. This makes sense, because it leads them to choose mates who have a dissimilar genetic profile (and hence their offspring are at reduced risk for genetic disease). Unfortunately, now that women in their child baring years are on the pill, they are kind of tricked into being attracted to men with similar genetics, and recessive genetic problems are on the rise.
- senlei23, on 05/05/2009, -0/+3i dunno, i thought hetman used "autism" correctly. symptoms of autism can include altered perception and heightened sensitivity to noises. may not be THE symptoms that characterize a child with autism but they are known to be present in children with austism.
- anonymousmedic, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2Mostly misdiagnosed with other psychiatric conditions.
- nepidae, on 05/05/2009, -2/+4Autism is punishment for having the wrong kind of sex.
- anonymousmedic, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2There is a Hep C vaccine. But no children (I know of) have it. The Vaccine isn't even in Phase 1 Clinical Trials, it's experimental.
- anonymousmedic, on 05/06/2009, -1/+3Um. No. Correction yourself. There are NO credible reports or studies that link vaccines with autism, nor even Thiomerisol with increased rates of autism. In fact, since it's removal in 2000, autism diagnosis rates have gone up. The only study that linked vaccines with autism was later stated to have been forged and fradulently presented by the same researchers in the study! Wakefield himself has had his GP license pulled, and is under civil and criminal penalties thanks to that study.
And actually, the shelf life of the flu vaccine is less than a year. THey aren't even effective beyond that period due to the virus' natural evolution and mutation of genomes, making the previous year's flu vaccine ineffective. And personally? I work with kids every day who have disabilities, and who have debilitating emergency conditions. The small risk of an adverse effect is definately worth preventing the risk of a horrible death. You're loading the answer with "HE's against you, I'm here for you" and other fallacies to make me seem like the heartless pro-pharma lacky. In reality, I've seen the results of vaccination, and not vaccinating. I'm married to a woman who's brother is a 22 year-old autistic secondary to anoxic brain injury at birth. So no, it wasn't vaccines that caused his learning disability, and it damn sure isn't toxins. So if you want to compare anectdotes, try me. - anonymousmedic, on 05/05/2009, -0/+2Wow. Imagine that. An Anti-vaxxer using misleading and false information and references. I'd have never thunk it.
Medicine - 1,000,000,000
Anti-Vax - Still Zero. - punkmom, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2Yeah, maybe they should just tell these kids to "shut up"...that'll take care of the problem. Wow, thanks so much for your insight into the complex behavioral issues of autistic children. Maybe you could write a book or go on a teaching tour and spread this incredible message of ignorance and cruelty to others. That's really what autistic children need - people to be mean and abusive to them. It's not enough that they live in a world that can seem foreign and hostile and that everyday noises and sights can overwhelm them. It's not enough that communication can be a barrior that prevents them from connecting to others and that autistic teenagers have a frighteningly high suicide rate....now we have people like you to kick them around too!! You must be quite a guy....do you like to hit small animals and make fun of people in wheelchairs?
- luftegrofnetfo, on 05/05/2009, -1/+3I have a little cousin that has autism and I wished that I could have known this when he was still a baby. I still love him for who he is, but if there was a way I could have helped to slow the process or repress it partially...
My uncle, his father, is okay with the fact that my cousin has autism. He actually made a song about it. http://is.gd/wZb5 - lusenok2, on 05/06/2009, -0/+2IUD is not prescribed to women who want (more) kids.
The reason? That metal thing inside may seroiusly damage woman's uterus. - anonymousmedic, on 05/05/2009, -0/+1Nice Spam.
- rhapsodisiac, on 05/05/2009, -3/+4Nothing wrong with telling it like it is, macweirdo.
- copypastry, on 05/05/2009, -5/+6There you ***** go, it's not vaccines.
Now get your kids their shots, and remember to spay or neuter your baby! - duncan202, on 05/06/2009, -1/+2I'm not taking sides, but it astounds me that digg can be so anti - "Big Pharma" on every article, except when it comes to vaccines.. somehow in this one instance they are just great guys trying to help out. Everyone knows vaccinations have stomped out many childhood diseases, but perhaps there is a fine line between vaccinating and over vaccinating. Vaccinating against a common problem like measles or things that you were likely to get is one thing. But might there be a point when vaccinating for less common things might be over doing it. Is it really crazy to think to injecting babies with too much stuff might be an issue? I did the whole line of stuff for my child and so far she's fine, as are many, many kids.. But to dismiss these parents claims out of hand.. espeicially in the face of the ever popular around here pharamcutical companies, seems little disingenuous.
- sodoh, on 05/11/2009, -0/+1It depends on the level of autism. For most diagnosed on the ASD early intervention can have a huge impact on the childs life. A difference between the child being able to interact at all with others or even being able to function as an adult. By intervention I am talking about OT, Language Therapy, etc. Not drugs/gene therapy.
Of course the intervention has to happen with the parents as well.
"The earlier the diagnosis, the less stable the diagnosis is."
Which is why children diagnosed with Autism generally get full assessments at different ages. - ladysherwood, on 05/05/2009, -1/+2That's a very interesting theory. I do enjoy entertaining the possibility that we are still basic primitive beings. Just because we have technology doesn't mean we stopped being animals.
- jecrawf, on 06/20/2009, -0/+1You are so correct. According to this article, my son is not autistic. Look at his pictures, http://www.johnsworld.cashhosters.com/autism/art53 ... The truely difficult thing here is that person must be personally affected by autism to see past the end of your nose, and consider the idea that things like vaccines can and DO cause autism. Check out the pictures of my son BEFORE he was "AUTISTIC", maybe the nay sayers will pipe down.
- halleyscomet, on 05/07/2009, -0/+1It's really sad that the lies of morons like punkmom are eroding herd immunity and have already resulted in Measles related deaths.
Their fear and ignorance, their refusal to accept reality and instead cling to unsupported fears, has already killed children. They HAVE to keep telling themselves that vaccines might cause autism despite the complete lack of evidence. Admitting they were wrong would mean they have to confront all the blood on their hands. - halleyscomet, on 05/07/2009, -0/+1In which case I'm going to tell you flat out that autism is caused by exposure to Bill O'Reilly's television program.
Proving me wrong will require you to prove that NONE of the kids with Autism EVER saw even a PORTION of an episode of his program. I don't have to provide proof of my claims, because it's YOUR responsibility to prove that Bill O'Reily is safe to watch and won't cause children to develop autism. -
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