What is Digg?Sponsored by HTC
Who knows you better than your phone? view!
youtube.com - See you from the perspective of your phone.
44 Comments
- elcalrissian, on 11/11/2009, -5/+24the scary thing is this is not unique. In fact, MOST physicians act very similar to this, albeit they work with proven, less harmful drugs (think Viagara, ambien).
Almost all doctors recieve money in return for pumping out script quotas. Its a corrupt system that leads to over medicating the public, all in the name of pocketing a few bucks.
Halting this practice would decrease healthcare costs for EVERYONE! Not only would the cost of the unneeded perscribed drugs be eliminated, but the harm caused by the side effects would not be an issue.
Simple, direct legislation can lead to healthcare reform. So why are the Dems going full bloat? This issue, which alone could drop costs for all insured american, is not part of the Dem's 2000 page monster. Why not? I wonder if the interested parties have something to do with this. - moses141, on 11/12/2009, -1/+14My wife is a psychiatrist and this is much bigger than a few doctors. She works at a top teaching hospital and almost every attending physician or professor gets paid in some way or another by the drug companies. Seroquel is one of the worst offenders -- even though it was never shown to be useful enough to ignore its side effects, many of these doctors pushed it upon thousands of patients.
The medical industry is VERY crooked -- this is why the reform plans currently in Congress are nowhere near enough to solve the problems. - Rain12913, on 11/12/2009, -0/+11Don't condemn the drug itself because of wrongdoing by the company who sells it or some antisocial doctor. There are thousands and thousands of people who get relief from this drug; just because certain doctors are prescribing it incorrectly doesn't mean it can't help people.
- amorphousform, on 11/12/2009, -2/+10The Pharmaceutical industry is a scary ***** place.
- MacBookForMe, on 11/11/2009, -3/+10Jail that bastard and inmates will make him a warm & fully corrupted surprise...
- WilliamDavis, on 11/12/2009, -0/+6It's not a few bucks. It's big bucks for almost everyone involved.
- WhiteHatTrick, on 11/12/2009, -3/+7Because healthcare reform is just another money/power grab to the district of criminals. If anyone thinks the corrupt corporate whores in DC actually care about your health and well being, they are seriously naive, and sadly mistaken.
- EddiePotato, on 11/12/2009, -0/+4A noble ideal, but not a good idea. Imagine the amount of pharmaceutical predation we'd see on people with marginal critical thinking skills, poor impulse control, or lower IQs. Store shelves full of steroids and narcotics that make people feel better in the short term, but tear them apart over time. And why would any company want to spend millions of dollars proving long term safety if they could just put a "use at your own risk" label on the bottle and watch their stock price soar in the short term?
You think the big pharma is evil now? Try removing the regulations holding their darker potential back. There's a reason every developed nation in the world has substance control policies. - thecoolestguy, on 11/12/2009, -1/+4You've been sentenced to rape!
- Starsurfer56, on 11/12/2009, -2/+5You know what we should do is stop the Pharmaceutical companies from giving campaign donations or any gifts to politicians then there might be a snowball chance in hell of passing your law.
Not really sure how your purposed legislation drops costs either...
By going "full bloat" as you call it Dems draw more supporters which highlights the need for reform and draws attention where these corrupt politicians get their money. One little law makes a little ripple in the pool - Starsurfer56, on 11/12/2009, -1/+4damnit drdigg you beat me to it by 1 min lol
- rushover, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2Seroquel's one hell of a drug.
- BREZZZ, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2And neither will you!
- elcalrissian, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2@Dr
I like both points 1 and 2.
Tobacco is not allowed on television, why not other drugs?
It still isnt part of what's being passed in the House. Your second point is perfect example of small steps, financially conservative and managed by existing bureaucracies, that the government should make to pass actual reform.
Your second point is also not part of the current bill.
There is a right way to do things and a wrong way. No pun. - Nanoha, on 11/12/2009, -1/+3They're the ones actually creating the cancers + diseases.
- jhochberg, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2Are people surprised? I'm sure this happens all the time! This is just one case where they got caught.
- Leadman584, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1In high doses, like @600mg/day this stuff will make you seriously crave sugar in any form. Now @200mg/day, I have positive results from Seroquel, without the sugar cravings. Still doesn't put me out, but Lunesta @3mg/day helps a lot.
I'll be glad when Indiana legalizes MJ for my condition. Fewer side effects, and considerably cheaper. $414 a month for Seroquel is a bit salty. The patent expires in 2011. A lot of Doctors will be trying to change patients over to Seroquel XR. That patent is good till 2017. Already tried the XR. Considerably less helpful for me, YMMV. - trixxz, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetiapine
Why in the world was that woman taking Seroquel to lose weight when weight GAIN is a common side effect? This is one of the most powerful sedatives out there used to deal with bipolar disorders. And she went from 140 to 300? You mean to tell me she only realized the side effects after doubling her body weight?
I call *****, the article specifically says she had a nervous breakdown, and she was only 35. Clearly she was prescribed the drug because of her extreme anxiety, not for weighing 140lbs. It's too easy to demonize pharmaceutical companies and doctors, when in reality those large "evil" companies fund a large part of nearly ALL medical research projects.
This article makes me sick, I can't even finish it. People, if you're going to take a prescription drug for off-label purposes, at least read the literature that comes with it. These are your own problems afterall, and no one is going to care more about you than yourself. A doctor's script is no excuse to stop thinking! - EddiePotato, on 11/12/2009, -1/+2You sound like someone lucky & young enough not to suffer from any serious disease. Diet and exercise can do wonders, but biology eventually has its way with us no matter how we live. While I sincerely hope it never does for you, if there comes a time when you're asked to choose between suffering and/or an early death, and taking a pharmaceutical, you might reconsider your position.
- WhiteHatTrick, on 11/12/2009, -4/+5So tell me how the majority of people in this nation are put on psychotropic anti depressants? Seems to me that the majority of people cant be depressed and being normal isn't a medical condition. Every time I go to a doctor, any doctor, they try to jam anti depressants down my throat. Last time I went in for insomnia and the only thing the doctor would do for me was give me an anti depressant, which I strongly do not want and will not take. What a big help that doc was... What does every single crazy kid who goes on a rampage and shoots up his school have in common? They were all on psychotropic anti depressants. Maybe, just maybe, those brain screwing drugs are more of a problem than they are a solution. Anyways even if the doctor himself isn't taking money, the system they work in was setup by drug companies and other medical corporations. One way or another, our health and well being is being exploited for profit.
- transapien, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1First of all we would need a strong regulatory counsel or body(medically inspired and trained) which would also have independant research to investigate. Plenty of trials(as we currently have) and what I must ask is the better option? I also left out my idea of taxation based on estimated and reviewed harm levels of drugs(which are illicit and genuinely studied to not have medicinal benefit).
People who can not control themselves and do what is best for themselves should be able to destroy themselves. There will be information for them and a doctors guidance.
All drugs should at least be decriminalized because it is counter productive to lock people up for not committing an actual crime and if they do commit a crime then you punish them for that. Drugs should all be legalized so they can be studied, people educated more adequately as well as accurately, regulated for purity and finally taxed(which is as much a motivation as not wasting money and people's lives punishing them for a non-crime.) - natetuddenham, on 11/18/2009, -0/+1This is a very seedy and underhanded industry. These companies who's objective should be getting the individual the best possible care prove time and again that all they care about is more people on their medication to feed their bottom line... Despicable.
- lurrch1, on 11/12/2009, -1/+2Private companies can bribe Doctors to help them increase their profits, but god forbid if anyone smokes a little medical marijuana.
- Slipknotic, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1My local "Klinic" has told friends of mine (patients) that they're supposed to push prescription drugs on teenagers coming to the "Klinic" without their parents' consent.
- coreyb, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Screwed me up for three months after coming off it...
- CoCreateHealth, on 11/15/2009, -0/+1With codex alimentarius coming next year, i'm not surprised if all natural cures are suppressed... like a simple garlic clove can be labeled as a dangerous herb haha :-)
- JinxCrow, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Nothing new, this has been going on for a long time. It's particularly bad because it debases trust in (medicinal) science because of the abuses committed by people with (medicinal) science.
- EarlOfLade, on 11/12/2009, -2/+2This is just what a more free market would be like. What we need is not less but more regulations on these bastards.
- dcn1234, on 11/12/2009, -0/+0Shame on you......
- WhiteHatTrick, on 11/12/2009, -3/+3Again with the irony... Seriously dude, it doesn't hurt my feelings for you to say a bunch of random ***** you made up about me on the internet, if anything it just reminds me how blessed I am to be in great health. I'm not going to joke about it, but if a psychiatrist were reading this thread, they indeed would be concerned about your mental health.
- WhiteHatTrick, on 11/12/2009, -4/+3Dude, not my fault you're in the defensive position. The average person is prescribed anti depressants at one time or another. I'm not saying you don't take into consideration the benefits and risks of medication. You implied you thought I was against all medication and modern medicine, so I was simply clarifying that I am not I was just looking at the risks and benefits. You have to admit some of the modern health industry in America is a counterproductive complete joke. I apologize for taking concern. I had no idea we were not allowed to speak before spoken to and question your supreme authority.
surfer-- Obviously when I said anti drug I was referring to psychiatric drugs. You really are an idiot. Kind of ironic that you would highlight how stupid you are and then call me stupid right afterwords. I was taking a stand against unnecessary medication, not all medication. You were taking a stand against me so I have to assume you are all for people having medication they don't need jammed down their throat. God, and then after completely misinterpreting my comments you have the irony to say I'm unable to read. - WhiteHatTrick, on 11/12/2009, -4/+3DrDigg-- the reason we care about doctors taking money is ultimately because we don't want to be put on medications we do not need and we want to become healthier from our medical care, not the other way around. I was asking you because I would like to know how that makes sense that the average person, the norm, the standard, is depressed requiring hardcore drugs. And my point at the end was that even if one particular doctor isn't taking money, the system the doctor is a part of is still profiting from unnecessary treatments. Kind of odd that you would say I sound like Tom Cruise, I don't think I implied that I was anti drug or anti medical care. You of all people should know that at the very core of your profession, the potential/likely costs of a drug/treatment are suppose to be weighed against the potential/likely benefit. Isn't that like in your oath and whatnot?
Starsurfer, every inference you based your comment on is wrong so there isn't much for me to respond to. Not sure why you would support people not medically needing hardcore brain screwing psychotropics to be put on them anyway... - Starsurfer56, on 11/12/2009, -4/+3@DrDigg
Your absolutely correct all doctors don't get crazy kickbacks but the few that do really give the rest a bad image after all those doctors often the research for these companies (therefore the marketing and scientific image sold to the public)
@ White hat trick
the reason they keep wanting to give you anti depressants is probably because your a crazy scientologist. Anti depressants help a lot of people but you only dwell on horror stories sold to you by fox news. - DrDigg, on 11/12/2009, -4/+3Your argument had nothing to do with what I stated and that is that most doctors do not receive anything from drug companies other than samples to give to their patients who can't afford medications.
Perhaps these kids who go on a rampage have a mental illness and belongs on psychiatric medications. You sound like Tom Cruise. - ballerina77, on 11/12/2009, -1/+0This is a common thing. Many doctors push brand drugs, sometimes without proper study of side effects and the patients swallow it. I always buy time-proved generic drugs at http://healthonline24.com , the ones that are in the market for several years and 10 times as cheap as brand ones. Don't be afraid to discuss alternatives to expensive drugs with your doctor.
- Starsurfer56, on 11/12/2009, -4/+2First to respond to your Tom cruise comment you seem to have selective memory considering Tom cruise is completely against any psychiatric drugs. He is not anti drug so your pretty stupid saying that your not like him.
Second nowhere in any of my statements (or drdiggs) was prescribing unneeded drugs to patients advocated so you might want to take some of your pills for dyslexia considering your unable to read. - DrDigg, on 11/12/2009, -5/+3*****. Most doctors do not receive money from drug companies.
I would say less than 10% give talks for drug companies.
I, like most doctors, don't give these talks. Not because it is a conflict of interest, but because there is a perceived conflict of interest. I would rather my patients know that I don't get any of this money. If you have concerns about it, just ask your doctor if they receive drug company money.
You really want to cut the cost of medicine do two things.
1. stop direct advertisements to patients, no good comes of it and it leads to over-prescribing of more expensive medications.
2. allow medicare to negotiate drug prices. It is what the VA and even walmart does. That is why they can sell $4 medications. - thecoolestguy, on 11/12/2009, -6/+4The psychiatric drug industry is a ***** joke. It doesn't help people because mental illnesses are not real illnesses, they are socially unacceptable behaviors.
The worst thing is that if you criticize the psychiatric drug industry, people call you a scientologist, as if they're the only group who's critical of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7GmeSAxXo - Starsurfer56, on 11/12/2009, -4/+2Its kind of funny that you were diagnosed with mental illness by doctors and in turn blames the rest of world as being drugged up. You should probably get some help... what happened some uncle take advantage of you I'm sure you showed your psychiatrist on some doll and then he prescribed the drugs. Oh well troll have fun blowin your uncle hopefully you get some help finally
- DrDigg, on 11/12/2009, -4/+1I'm going to stop feeding you troll. Most people aren't on antidepressants. And ***** you, I always take into consideration the benefits and risks of a medication before recommending it. It sounds like you need to find better doctors.
- coloradowild, on 11/11/2009, -6/+1What is this world coming too????!!
- transapien, on 11/12/2009, -6/+1All drugs should be legal, researched, and at the discretion of the patient/recipient to decide if they want to take it. Doctors should give recommendations but not prescriptions. Patients should be encouraged to do their own research in addition to recommendations which I think would make pharmaceutical companies at least mildly less inclined to try to buy a doctors choice in giving prescriptions and doctors should work on a larger scale for a patients specific needs.
- nailPuppy, on 11/12/2009, -9/+3Woah there lady, you weren't in the thumbnail.
couldn't fit - inactive, on 11/12/2009, -8/+1Didn't school teach you anything? Say no to drugs! Stop giving these companies your business and they won't be around anymore.
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is