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- illegalamigo, on 07/02/2008, -0/+56of course they are, they're magic
- mdmogren, on 07/02/2008, -1/+33those are NOT magic mushrooms in the picture!
- mrb4b00, on 07/02/2008, -2/+30No wonder Mario is always happy.
- homedaddy, on 07/02/2008, -2/+29Even in the laboratory, 1 out of 3 people felt terrified under the drug. -- no *****. Sounds like a real mellow place to get high. Why didn't they try a jail cell or a hospital?
- daveluke1, on 07/02/2008, -1/+28This is very very true.... I had such a ***** temper in high school... In college, as I started to grow up and experience more, I became more open to things, and after I tried mushrooms for the first time, I had an epiphany about my life, and just felt so generally good... I felt like a different person, looking at things in different ways... learning not to judge, not take myself so seriously..... you start to see all the ***** things that happen in your life as things that happen, and i dunno..i started to just appreciate much more of the good.. even the bad.... if you haven't tried them ever, try them now!!!!!! while i regret doing it 11 times, whereas I should have stopped at 5... i still feel like it is an experience that everyone needs to try at least once...
- palehorse864, on 07/02/2008, -0/+25One of the quirks in the study occurred when an Italian plumber was given one of the magic mushrooms. Unlike the other test subjects, he grew to twice his normal size and stomped out of the building, taking a wall down and wandering into the animal research building where he stomped several turtles who were being used in an unrelated experiment.
- dstamat, on 07/02/2008, -1/+19Native Americans and most native inhabitants across the world have been doing all sorts of "mind altering" fungi, flowers, herbs... etc for centuries, and, most of them call it "Medicine". Connecting the dots...
- osquip, on 07/02/2008, -0/+17I used to have terrible depression and anxiety problems when I was younger. Mushrooms cured me. It was an incredible experience. I've only taken them less than 10 times in my life. I was able to realize that everyone is going to put themselves first and to not take the actions of others personally. I've been a very happy person since. The trips got progressively boring until the last time I did them, I decided not to take them any more. I think everyone should try them at least once in their life.
- RoccoMcTaco, on 07/02/2008, -0/+16(Would've been nice if they showed the right shrooms.)
Lot's of experience here. It can be spiritual, but I think for some people it depends on how open to spirituality they are, though it can make a person who hasn't thought much aboput spirituality interested. As with LSD in high school, some kids would do it to laugh their ass off and that's it. I've always been into the mystical, and under the influence, would feel impulsed into meditating and doing Tai Chi movements (before I knew what that was)
If you are curious about doing it, one well known rule to take into account is "Set & Setting", especially if you're inexperienced. A comfortable day out in Nature is a great way to do it, with good friends. Also, issues that you're pre-occupied with will come into play, so if you have a negative attitudes and perceptions about yourself and other people, be prepared to deal with that. If you are open and focused, you can learn, if you're afraid and out of control, you could have a bad trip.
http://www.maps.org/ - rentmitchum, on 07/02/2008, -0/+15I think they promote a healthy mind when used correctly and therefore a healthy mind promotes a healthy body.
- migshark, on 07/01/2008, -2/+17A prerequisite to enter the study was religious/spiritual affiliation and thus they acknowledge the potential bias of its mystical effect. As a student of physics; I would love to try it for myself and ascertain what effect it has on my studying capacity =). Perhaps they should run a trial for atheists as a comparison? It would be fascinating to see if there was an increased rate of psychosis amongst them.
- rentmitchum, on 07/02/2008, -1/+15I think anything that helps the mind will help the body, as a healthy mind many times helps a healthy body. It's like if you got quite good at meditation. Mental ease will help your body to heal itself. Stress has been proven to harm the physical body, it only makes sense mental well-being does the opposite. For most who are ignorant to the potential benefits, it's always an argument that psychedelics couldn't possibly help you attain anything positive mentally. That's up to the person's mindset going into the experience and intention more than the drug itself.
Responsible drug use can bring you universal and spiritual ease and understanding, or it can scare you *****. I feel like if psychedelics weren't banned and were taught to be used responsibly, we could attain a wide array of benefits from them. Many of the so called 'hippies' I've met have been some of the kindest and most balanced people I've known. I many times think if everyone in the world was skilled with using psychedelics, many of the problems facing humanity would go away. I'm sure I'll be buried for saying so, but it's what I truly believe. When you are shown near-evidence that the universe is an interconnected web and not a divisive and separate angry place, you can't help but look at the world with wonder and amazement and try to be as good to others as you can. After all, you know what you do effects everything else in the long run.
So yea, I think it can work. =P - Tamriel, on 07/01/2008, -2/+15To tell you the truth, I think there are definitely physical, non-mental benefits. The times I've done them, I've noticed that my nose got a little runny at one point and my eyes teared up a bit. Supposedly they cause your pores to dilate. Sometimes my skin even felt a little clammy from sweat. It wasn't necessarily uncomfortable or anything like that. I suppose it's sort of a way to flush out some toxins. I also think they can act as a diuretic. I guess you could take that or leave it.
With the whole spirituality thing... I can't really say. I'm an atheist. I was the first time I tried them, too, so I have no idea what that word even means to me. All I can say is that my experiences were beautiful. I wouldn't trade them away for anything. - hallucinated, on 07/02/2008, -1/+13Not to mention that LSD really doesn't have "permanent no-so-wonderful" effects.
- inactive, on 07/01/2008, -1/+12the video at the bottom with Tim Leary is trippy, no pun intended. The guy is permanently spaced out, but still incredibly sharp in responding to the pretty vicious attacks from Linkletter.
- rentmitchum, on 07/02/2008, -1/+11It might interest you to know that I largely come from a self-taught but mainly scientific and logical background, and upon using psychedelics of any kind I am usually presented with complex patterns. Very rarely does any of it feel "mystical" or what have you. I feel like this is because I am largely grounded in what is real and not in delusions. It's not that I don't have an imagination, as I thought it might, because when I think about it I have more imagination than most. I can think up solutions to a lot of mechanical problems in my head and then build them from scraps, which takes a lot of imagination. I also have played a lot of D&D and if you have played it, you know it requires a huge amount of imaginative capacity to be able to play your character well, because you need to imagine the entire environment in your head (we didn't play with graph paper or miniatures like many do). I many times think it largely depends on the susceptibility of the person involved to personifying the things around them instead of thinking of them in terms of physical makeup or structure.
Just a thought. I would also be quite interested in the resulting answer to your proposed question. I would speculate an increased rate of personified deity contact or 'spiritual' experience in people not grounded in logic or science and in those grounded in a scientific background an increased probability of seeing amazing geometric patterns and often seeing larger over-arching patterns in their own thought processes and learning things about themselves or the world that don't seem mystical, but none-the-less quite insightful. Things they may not have seen before but were right under their noses. This is what has happened for me. It's really a shame the widespread bans on psychedelics, as they offer amazing alternative gateways to the psyche and incredibly different perspective on any matter you can think of.
I've always been a big fan of the idea of putting the worlds leading cosmologists and quantum physicists in a room and having them all try a moderate dose of psilocybes or LSD, or possibly something like DMT or mescaline. It would be extremely interesting to see if any of them would gain increased insight into matters of the macro or microscopic. The worlds of the very big or the very small are sometimes revealed to the user, and I'd be interest to hear their take on the experience, and also to see if any of them attain breakthroughs in current projects. I don't know if it's true or not, but somewhere along the lines I heard that LSD was involved somewhere in the thought processes that led to the discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA. If so, that's good evidence to support my experiment. Too bad it will never happen ;)
30 seconds left to edit, if this isn't useful I'm sorry for posting it: http://www.miqel.com/entheogens/francis_crick_dna_ ...
That pertains to the mentioned matter of LSD helping to find the double helix. - Jorin, on 07/03/2008, -0/+9A friend of mine in psychology denies that LSD has permanent negative effects. Yes it's a synthetic chemical, but that doesn't make it harmful in and of itself. Psylocibin is also just a chemical. The fact that it occurs naturally doesn't make it any less or more safe.
- aphexcoil, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9True. Because the last thing I need when I'm tripping is some guy in a white lab jacket staring at me while taking notes and measuring my pupils.
- MadPooter, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9That's actually a really good point--a laboratory setting would be a terrible place to trip. As in the words of Bill Hicks, "They are sacred. Go to nature."
- Sherman901, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9I think it works. It's helped me develop into a more tolerant person. I used to be a total prick to people, I used to make fun of people that were different from me and I was an overall ass. Then, in 10th grade, I tried magic mushrooms for the first time and had an amazing trip. After that, I thought about things a little differently and I am more accepting of people overall. I've had multiple trips since then and I think it can definitely help a person change into a more tolerant, compassionate individual.
- inactive, on 07/03/2008, -0/+8snap out of it - synthetic products are not necessarily inferior to organic ones.
- Spudster, on 07/03/2008, -0/+8It's a total gateway. Speaking of gateway's, you wouldn't believe how many drug addicts I know drink coffee. We really need to ban coffee in my opinion because it's only a pathway to drug addiction!
- str3ama, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8In Japan up until recently (like 4-5 years ago) Magic Mushrooms were legal, you could get them in vending machines, just like beer and cigarettes.
- TheMachine1, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8I've read studies where psilocin had long lasting positive effects in people taking it a few times but there are certainly a percent that have the opposite reaction.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18257429
"Two young men, 25 and 32 years old, presented with severe automutilation by knife wounds after consumption of hallucinogenic mushrooms."
Reminds me of burning myself with a candle flame and telling people to please get me away from it. You need a safe person not using around you. Or something stupid can happen. - upnortherik, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8Honest question, have you tried LSD? I have experience in both mushrooms and LSD and (respectfully) disagree with you.
- LittleGerms, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8Medicinal Magic Mushrooms here we come!
- upnortherik, on 07/02/2008, -2/+9masterm1nd, I'm not sure if you know this, but you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. At all. That attempted manslaughter ***** is BS (prove me wrong - wait, you can't). There are also people who have eaten 100s of times the normal dose of street mushrooms (usually B+) and have not OD'd. "Perma-tripping"... not even going to respond to that.
Your brain is completely fried? You must be your Dare class team leader. Get educated before you try and educate others.
Dugg DOWN. - MadPooter, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7I could definitely define my experiences on Mushrooms as spiritual, though I define my spirituality in a different way. While on the drug, there are feelings of "oneness" and undeniable connection which would lead anyone to allow themselves to open up to energies which arguably have to do with the creation of our world; but it is up to the individual to define these feelings, and it's safe to say most people feel that they are connecting spiritually.
I define spirituality in terms of connecting with everyone around me and being in tune with all races, matter and energy on the planet, and it is because of that that I have found MDMA to be better suited for connection. Although, you don't "learn" as much, as it were, from MDMA. - thegoodsteer, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7LSD is just as safe, if not safer. There are just way too much propaganda behind it, just as marijuana and psilocybe mushrooms.
- Liability, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7
Psilocybin Cubensis are awesome! It's been too long. - Mothrog, on 07/03/2008, -2/+8"2. Wrong, the toxicity is what makes you high! I can see you have no idea what you are talking about now. And yes, toxic means fatal at the right dose. Moot point"
Uh, sure. It's pretty obvious you're the one that has no idea what the ***** you're talking about. I guess you must know better than Berkeley? And selling shrooms is equivalent to manslaughter? I'd love to see where you drug that happy ***** up.
http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manu ...
The most traditional measurement of toxicity of a drug is a therapeutic index that is a ratio of the lethal dose (LD50) to the effective dose (ED50) (Gable 1993). According to the Registry of Toxic Effects, the therapeutic index for psilocybin is 641. In comparison to other substances it is relative non-toxic. For example the therapeutic index for vitamin A is 9637, 4816 for LSD, 199 for aspirin and 21 for nicotine, thus psilocybin appears to have a relatively low toxicity (WWW 1). In addition, literature states that the oral intake of psilocybin appears to be the lowest risk out of all other drugs for both acute lethality and dependence (Gable 1993). - krnldmp, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6Psilocybin. It will make you SMART. If you have a friend that lives in the country go there before you take it. Go to the top of the mountain on a full moon night.
- Alfonzo, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6Never eaten mushrooms, have we?
- Hetman, on 07/02/2008, -1/+7Agreed. I would not recommend mushrooms are acid for everyone. But if you like to get a better understanding of yourself and reality in general it is worth taking the trip.
- daveluke1, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6Also, for those who are curious... I recommend taking them with someone who has experience tripping, and if you do not want to take the full plunge, take just the threshold amount (i think 1/16th) which is the amount to just give you the slightest effect...
- hallucinated, on 07/02/2008, -2/+8The ***** apparent in this post is ridiculous. Let me explain:
1. Eating the wrong kind of anything can be fatal. That's why you don't do it.
2. There is no such thing as a fatal dose of "the right kind of mushroom." True magic mushrooms, once correctly identified, are not toxic.
3. There is no such thing as a permatrip.
4. Legal consequences for possession of magic mushrooms are the same as any other Schedule I drug.
5. The schizophrenia/psychedelic drug connection is weak at best. The effects and symptoms of schizophrenia are vastly different than those of LSD/magic mushrooms. If you do find a single credible article showing a link between the two, please enlighten us.
However, I do agree individuals with existing mental conditions should obviously refrain from using these drugs. The effects produced by these drugs heavily depends on the internal mental state. I don't foresee a healthy, normal individual leading a happy, satisfactory life having any problems. - flameboy, on 07/03/2008, -1/+7masterm1nd:
1. Every mushroom advocate will tell you not to pick your own mushrooms. People ("lowlifes") grow them from spores which are ascertained from credible sellers. Nobody sells spores for toxic mushrooms, that business would not last long at all and would be pointless. But as a fair warning, you should not pick your own mushrooms because that is indeed dangerous.
2. Toxic and poisonous mean the same thing. Magic mushrooms are not poisonous, I didn't say they had the same LD-50 as marijuana, I said they were LIKE marijuana in that regard. *** No body has ever died from chemically overdosing on Psilocybin *** You can look at that up.
3. Nobody here said that magic mushrooms had "absolutely no potential adverse effects". Please tell me who said that. We have been attacking you for posting factually wrong information. If you want to warn us against the bad effects of mushrooms, you can't just make ***** up and expect anybody to take you seriously.
I am glad that from your last post it seems like you have actually done some research! - icmp, on 07/03/2008, -0/+6100% Agreed. I tried some psilocybe cyanescens last weekend, for the first time, with a couple of friends and I feel so different than I did the week before.. The trip was pretty mild (low-ish dosage -- mixed with a little ecstasy and weed but I don't think that made a huge difference in the larger psychedelic experience), but still provocative and intriguing.
Had the normal visual distortions (as in colored drapes changing color and appearing to melt before my eyes) -- I think this changed some of my perceptions of the world in a positive way. In fact, I have been thinking to myself how everything that was very familiar is now as though I'm perceiving it from a different angle. Simply amazing.
The experience has given me more motivation and I think helped me with various anxiety problems that I have had to live with so far. Overall it was just an incredibly moving spiritual experience that I doubt I will soon forget and I would therefore highly recommend it to anyone else in a safe, supervised environment. As someone else said, respect the plant(s) and you'll be fine. - sodade, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5"97% were college graduates and 56% had post-graduate degrees."
Well that is pretty telling, can you imagine being a dumb redneck on mushrooms? - flameboy, on 07/03/2008, -2/+7Magic Mushrooms are NOT "toxic" based on the scientific definition. Advil is more "toxic" than psilocybin. The hallucinogenic effects are not caused by their "toxicity". It is very similar to marijuana in this regard.
please get your facts before posting. - Fishn2, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5They were legal to possess, unprocessed, in the UK up until 2005.
- Spudster, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5The only worrying aspect about LSD is that it lasts for a LONG time (8 hours versus 3). But yeah, physically LSD is just as safe as Mushrooms are.
- daveluke1, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5Hmm.. See when I tripped I saw the same thing... I felt like the point in life is to put others first and expect less... and that that behavior would rub off on people... which while feeling benevolent.. also felt empowering..
Unforunately after I entered corporate america, I started to get anxiety attacks a lot, just cuz there is way too much of what you are talking about..... but I'm going to quit soon and find a way to get into non-profit.. or teaching or something... but I dunno.. I still wanna see how I would feel taking shrooms in this new phase of life.. - Jorin, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5It definitely can work. If you go into it with a good mindset and good friends then it can be an awesome experience.
What I noticed the most was feeling a lot more connected to nature than I normally do. A lot of psycheledic drugs have that effect I think... you tend to lose your sense of ego and see the world as a whole.
This is worth checking out: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jill_bolte_tayl ...
This video isn't about drugs, but it's another interesting look at how our minds work. The woman in this video had a stroke that disabled the left hemesphere of her brain for part of a day, and while her right hemesphere was more active she saw the world in a way that's surprisingly similar to the effects of psychedelics. She talked about a deep and powerful feeling of connection to the world.
Fortunately doing mushrooms is much safer than having a stroke. :O - qbthemc, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7I am going to snitch on all of you.
- Fordi, on 07/03/2008, -0/+5Actually, since psilocybine has about the same LD50 as caffiene, you could classify coffee as 'highly toxic' using your definition, masterm1nd.
- Ceryn1126, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5Been in Japan for 5 years off and on. (had to go back to the states for 1 year to finish university). I've asked a few Japanese about this and they say the vending machine part isn't true... unless it was a vending machine in an already sketchy location (where police wouldn't find it in the first place) You can however find people running stands that sell "Legal Drugs" (not yet classified by law) in seedy areas, most of the time police find some excuse to shut them down other then the drugs themselves.
Japan is definatly not a drug culture. The police force is just ineffectual because they are used to "cultural norms" stopping people from doing things. But as far as the law goes you can get years in jail for possesing even a small ammount of pot. - zombird, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4"I think it's interesting the two drugs that are legal - alcohol and cigarettes, two drugs that do absolutely nothing for you at all - are legal, and the drugs that might open your mind up to realise how you're being ***** every day of your life? Those drugs are against the law. Coincidence? See, I'm glad mushrooms are against the law, cos I took 'em one time, you know what happened to me? I laid in a field of green grass for four hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' Yeah, now if that isn't a hazard to our countries...How are we gonna justify arms dealing if we know we're all one?"
-- Bill Hicks - Spudster, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Turn on, tune in, drop out.
- NikoKun, on 07/03/2008, -1/+5All of those reasons, are reasons why we should legalize and regulate the use of Mushrooms. So that people will be less likely to do the wrong type, and less likely to do the wrong dosage.
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