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- Doggpound, on 10/12/2007, -7/+88I think this is very good news. Their is no reason women should not have access to this to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.
- CaseyUCF, on 10/12/2007, -7/+78gophergod,
condoms break, ***** happens, etc.
unwanted kids can ruin the lives of both parent and child. - PackerX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+49Plan B: Best product name ever.
- buss, on 10/12/2007, -8/+53GopherGod: its that kind of ignorant argument that has caused such a debate for so many years.
And why should you care what people do with their own bodies? What gives you the right to tell someone what to do? - raymondmarble, on 10/12/2007, -6/+51And the pill could be washed down with Big Gulp.
- k3n85, on 10/12/2007, -4/+45"...but not at convenience stores or gas stations."
Damn, wouldn't you want to hear "Pump #12, a Plan B, and how bout a slim jim...." c'mon - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+46I live in the UK, when I first when to university my mum gave me a pack of condoms and a pack of morning after pills and told me not to get a girl pregnant.
- Shadar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35If it meant not hearing a kid screaming in the arms of his 16 year old mom then definately.
- gjd131, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29RU486 and the morning after pill are NOT the same thing, the morning after pill is an emergency contraceptive, and RU486 induces an abortion after the woman is already pregnant for up to 2 months.
Plan B:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levonorgestrel
RU486:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RU486h - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32How touching
- tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30"You ever notice that most pro-lifers are people you wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?"
-George Carlin - Pic0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31@ GopherGod they are $50 a pop I believe
so.. yea keep popping them at that price and sooner or later you will start thinking - SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31"Because this takes responsibility out of their hands. All they have to do is pop a pill. Unprotected sex? No problem, pop a pill. Get drunk and laid? No problem pop a pill."
Well, besides the risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease, I see no problem there. - tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -27/+52GopherGod, you're clearly a man. Therefore, any opinion you might have on what women should/should not be allowed to do is null and void.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30@GopherGod
Calling it a baby is just a tad misleading. This is what we are talking about:
http://www.visembryo.com/baby/stage1.html
You can hardly see it without a microscope..... - tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Your mom sounds cool. Is she single?
- tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23And here I thought that pro-lifers believed life begins at conception.
Plan B prevents conception. No conception, no life...no abortion. - SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21@GopherGod
"You once looked just like that."
That first cell was no more me than one of the hundreds of thousands of sperms that my body gets rid of when I go to the bathroom are me.
You have to draw the line somewhere as to what you consider a human being, I most definitely do not believe it should be drawn at single cell organisms. If you have to view it through a microscope, I do not consider it to be a human being.
After the first trimester I'd consider abortion to be very questionable. After the second I'd be inclined to call it murder. Exactly where to draw the line is a very difficult ethical problem. - that1bander, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25It is about time!
- tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Once again, Plan B is not the same as RU486.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RU486
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levonorgestrel
That fact aside, I'm not about to buy a Pro-Life website's unsourced claims that RU486 (again, NOT Plan B) has killed 12 women. - tdogg241, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"keep telling yourself that"
I will. And I'll be right, too. - k3bravo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"Plan-B really only works very soon after conception"
Sorry but no, the Plan-B pill will not work at all if conception is achieved. Plan B is not an abortion pill like RU486. If a women gets pregnant, then the Plan-B pill will do absolutely nothing for her. She will still have a child unless a miscarriage happens or she gets an abortion. - Jowitz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Because it is not an abortion pill, saying it kills unborn children is like saying condoms do.
Remember, every minute of every day you are not having sex, you are preventing a potental life! - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -1/+14In Australia it's damn convenient to get one of these. In fact I can't believe the US haven't already approved the morning-after pill to everyone =/
We have plenty of chemists in Australia, probably more chemists in my area than gas stations (chemist = "drug store"). They have been selling the morning after-pill to kids for as long as I can remember. No prescription, no proof of age (under 18 is no problem). They do give you a bit of a spill about how it's not good to use it often, etc. But it is very convenient to get them here. Wonder why it hasn't been the same in America? Religious lobby groups screwing things up? - j10s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Because some people have ***** parents
- dodoporridge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I'm noticing that a lot of the "pro-life" comments so far have atrocious spelling errors. Actually, I supposed I should say "I no" that they do. Hmmmm..... Could there be an (under)education connection.....
- mikev, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14That a bad thing?
- stickyfingers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11From what I remember Plan B is 2 pills, the first pill must be taken within 120 hrs of unprotected sex, the second pill must be taken 12 hrs later.
As to how it works:
Plan B acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It may prevent the union of sperm and egg. If fertilization does occur, Plan B may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb. If a fertilized egg is implanted prior to taking Plan B, Plan B will not work. - Sell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Yea but now each bitch ass state that wants to can ban it's sale. Anyone catch the last episode of "30 Days" about the pro-life and pro-choice peeps? Good episode, this makes me think about it.
- zediker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"Religious lobby groups screwing things up?"
Yep, thats why. - Rndm_Tngnt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It's still barely a win.
Why must they be 18? Why only in pharmacies and doctor's offices? Ugh.
It's a start, but yeesh, come on already. - daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17The fact that you spelled all the words correctly shows you didn't go to school in the States.
:) - thomasprebble, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12This has gotta be some sort of sick joke! We've had the morning after pill for years in New Zealand available to anyone at any age without parents permission.. All you need to do is see a nurse. How the heck could the US be so backwards?
- nonsequitor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This pill does not cause an abortion, it changes the body's hormonal balance and lowers the chance of conception. It's also not guaranteed to work, so don't throw out those condoms just yet.
- thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"its a fact not an opinion"
no it isn't - buss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10So if there are so many _safe_ ways to have sex...where is the issue?
- opnickc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9How exactly does Plan B work? I know it takes a while for the little soldiers to get to the target, if you know what I mean, so does plan b stop the operation before or after the. . .er. . . target is neutralized?
Because if it's before; there shouldn't be much controversy. You're not killing anything, just stopping the life from beginning in the first place - no different than other birth control (from a moral standpoint). - BLKMGK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Oh sure - it's "available". That is *if* you can find a pharmacy that doesn't have some dimwit behind the counter that has decided that they won't stock it because the don't believe in it. Figure WalMart and others like it will be the first to do this. I've read stories about other birth control drugs with this problem already - some stores simply not making it available to avoid the controversy. Yes, we live in a sad sad world here where everyone else is trying to make decsions for others
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You know, I used to be Christian... I have no problem with the concept of Christianity, I think it's a wonderful one. Frankly, though, I had to up and leave the church because too many so-called "Christians" simply miss the point entirely, and I can't take the hypocrasy. Here they are again, worrying about the sin of sex and the life of a zygote, petitioning the government, protesting, doing everything in their power, yet ignoring the larger picture, the fact that in the grand scheme of things, it's not all that important. Christianity isn't supposed to be about sin and virtue, it's supposed to be about love and forgiveness. Where's the compassion, that's what I want to know? You spit in the face of a woman who's had an abortion, you call her a sinner, you say she's going to hell, and it makes you feel good about yourself. You can go home at night, content that you made a stand for the priniciples of Christianity, without realizing how completely you flew in the face of those principles. Wasn't it Jesus who taught us not to judge others? Wasn't it Jesus who saved an adulteror from being stoned to death?
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Jesus is the kind of guy to kick a person when they're down. Maybe Jesus gets off on feeling superior to others. Maybe that whole "love and compassion" bit was just an act. I somehow doubt that.
My point is, it's always seemed to me that the idea of Christianity was to be able to look a complete stranger in the eye, know that they've committed God knows what horrific acts, and still be able to tell them that you love them. Fact of the matter is, I just don't see that in the Christian church today. - SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Of course there is a line. I you claim there is not, you are claiming that there are no human beings, or that you believe that "aborting" a 30 year old is OK. However, we most definitely disagree on where that line should be drawn.
- BenWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@shadar
"Christians have been responsible for more death/killing than Muslims by far. 9/11 isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to the mass genocide Christian's have committed."
Trust me, it's not for a lack of trying. Please inform me which religion is currently engaged in genocide in Darfor? Which religion calls for the obliteration of an entire nation? Which religion was founded by its leader attacking and defeating a city after having been run out of it years before? Which religion accepts "honor killings" when a woman is raped.
I will concede that there have been those who have used Christianity as a perfectly good excuse to go killing. However, Europe avoided being Muslim centuries ago by beating the Moors. There is a Muslim nation that presently seeks nuclear weapons. I believe we both can agree that nuclear weapons are more likely used as an aggressive weapon. While you may posit that the goal is to deter, who would they deter? If the only reason the U.S. is getting its panties up in a bunch is because Iran is 1) seeking to obtain nukes and 2) quasi-covertly helping a terrorist group agitate Israel, then if they stopped both we wouldn't be bunching said panties.
Of course, I now I'll be buried in anti-diggs for presenting an opposing view--coward's way out. - JaggedEdge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12finally, atleast its not abortion.
- KriLL3.2™, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Only girls above 18? Girls bellow 18 never get raped?
- rritterson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@GopherGod
What's worse? Aborting/terminating a pregancy and killing an unborn child, or forcing that child to live through years of neglect and poor parenting? I am for adoption when available, but you know no matter how easy it is, some people just will not do what is right for their children. It's a relativistic argument, but I think the termination of a collection of cells without the ability to feel or otherwise perceive it's own termination, even if that collection has a the potential to become a healthy baby is better than neglect and 18 years of a horrible childhood. - cosmicv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You would have thought the cloning debate would have settled this stupid "souls popping in at conception" issue, after all...when a moms complete DNA can be placed in her own egg...it really does shoot down the magic sperm theory.
- ledmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Girls below the age of 18 can get it by prescription, I believe.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12I wonder if this has to do with the news of the exodus from the christian coalition.
They have been losing a lot of members lately - alexhengen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Pic0: thats all well and good, but 60% of the parents around here are probably idiots who won't be as responsible with their kids' sex education as you will.
- opnickc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7When making an argument for your beliefs amoung many who do not agree with you, how you say it is just as, if not more important, than what you say.
For example,
"This will just make people have more sex before marriage. It's a fact, you can't argue with it."
will probably get dugg down, while saying;
"I understand the importance of preventing unwanted pregnancies, but I'm afraid this could just make people less responsible with their sexual behavior."
probably will not, even though both make essentially the same argument.
When having a discussion/argument, you should try to convince the other side that you are right, not that they are wrong. Telling someone they're wrong puts them on the defensive, and just leads to an angry argument full of insults that is useless. If both sides calmly point out reasons why they believe in their side, then the discussion is benificial to everyone. - johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Mainly, it prevents the egg from "ripening", so it can not be fertilized. There is a potential chance (very small - about the same chance as a fertilized egg not being implanted anyway) that the egg can still be fertilized and not be implanted, but Plan B's main goal is contraception: prevent the egg from being fertilized, which then means that this is *not* abortion.
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