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- xenmaster4, on 05/09/2009, -2/+121The first rule of chess club is you don't talk about chess club.
- vsujohn2, on 05/09/2009, -4/+87Otherwise you'll just get made fun of.
- mhollerb, on 05/09/2009, -2/+74Is drug testing chess kids REALLY necessary? I feel like the results are sort of... obvious.
- alpha88, on 05/09/2009, -1/+71Drug testing the band and chess clubs is just a waste of time and money. I mean seriously.
- aresef, on 05/09/2009, -2/+62Because chess players are so high-risk.
- ivan423, on 05/09/2009, -2/+49I slam heroin for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
- johnsmith3210, on 05/09/2009, -1/+36Your math scores must be off the charts.
- DangerCollie, on 05/09/2009, -3/+35"here is no evidence that drugs are used to enhance a student's flute playing"
I've known a couple girls who were much less inhibited flute players when they were high.
With a few narrow exceptions, mainly in the transportation industry, drug testing is another one of those invasive right wing policies that needs to be consigned to the scrap heap of history, along with the rest of their failed policies. - theskillwithin, on 05/09/2009, -5/+35urine drug tests almost always 99.5% of the time show up for marijuana, this encourages our kids to do harder drugs which metabolize faster and don't show up.
- whiskeythief, on 05/09/2009, -1/+31It has nothing to do with enhanced performance, it is a constitutional issue. Illegal search, presumption of innocence. You know, stuff like that.
The whole point of zero tolerance in schools and violating student's constitutional rights beginning at a young age, is to raise new generations of people who have been conditioned to accept tyranny as necessary and deserved.
It is working. - whatthefu, on 05/09/2009, -5/+34Yes, because someone being on Adderall while playing chess is just like using steroids for playing sports. And we all know those potheads are just genius musicians.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -1/+26"Chess is never going to be an Olympic sport, but the IOC will have us jump through a bunch of hoops, one of them being drug- testing," said three-time U.S. chess champion Joel Benjamin. "I really think it violates people's privacy without any rationale for it."
Drug testing is just out of control.
http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/04-16-2003-news.ht ... - Revadarth, on 05/09/2009, -1/+26as a former member of one of the high schools in the district, the drug testing was getting a little out of hand
granted, i provided a lot of the drugs to the students of the high school, i may have a biased opinion - theskillwithin, on 05/09/2009, -0/+25What about marching band? both athletic and music.
and since when did our schools own our kids urine? - WoWii, on 05/09/2009, -1/+25I would never let a school give me a drug test.
- somekid413, on 05/09/2009, -0/+23I do not support this! could you imagine people smoking pot and then playing chess... those games would take hours? and end in a debate about pawns rights.
- ThatsNotPudding, on 05/09/2009, -0/+21How about this: if a school district wishes to drug-test their students, they can - provided all the teachers, principals, superintendents, AND school board members are also tested. If not; why not? Hypocritical much?
- RatatRatR, on 05/09/2009, -1/+22The LeBron James of Football? Why didn't you just name a football player?
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -0/+20Let's go further! I was in the USAF for eight years and was tested frequently. I never did any drugs while in the the USAF so had nothing to worry about. BUT! Why aren't elected officials tested? All government employees, except for the elected ones, are tested. That's BS. From the president on down, they should all be tested, at least as frequently as US Military people. If anything, think about this: An E2 in the US Army really can't afford a lot of drugs, but a US Senator sure can!
- Coven, on 05/09/2009, -3/+22"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years — rrreal ***** high on drugs. The Beatles were so ***** high they let Ringo sing a few tunes."
-Bill Hicks - somekid413, on 05/09/2009, -0/+18for 500,000 a year? yes you would.
- teemingvoid, on 05/09/2009, -0/+17anabolic steroids made playing the clarinet AWESOME.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -2/+17It would be cool to ***** in the little urine cup and hand it back over with a totally straight face.
- cubicledrone, on 05/09/2009, -0/+14The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States - ThanatosST, on 05/09/2009, -0/+14I'd sure as hell accept a drug test for a $500,000 a year job. For that much there's a lot of things I'd be willing to do...
- Trocveth, on 05/09/2009, -0/+14Couldn't agree more. Zero-tolerance is just lazy administration. We all know that the world is not always clear cut and there are varying degrees of evil.
- smotpoker, on 05/09/2009, -0/+13I would think so... I've known several people who quit smoking weed in favor of alcohol and other addictive drugs due to probation or work drug testing.
Willingness to try something new doesn't mean willingness to try *everything* new but take away something a person likes and they will likely try to replace it - often with something somewhat similar - inactive, on 05/09/2009, -2/+15You americans are ***** crazy. I'd never let someone drug test me for any reason - school or work - and I don't even take drugs. It's a matter of privacy, as simple as that. I wouldn't accept drug test even for a $500,000 per year job and neither should anyone.
- Cdizzl3, on 05/09/2009, -0/+12This man is correct.
- Ymeg, on 05/09/2009, -0/+12It's not an invasion of your privacy if, when you accept the job, you agree that you can be randomly drug tested at any time.
Public schools, on the other hand, are different. - LogicalWisdom, on 05/09/2009, -0/+11So basically the policy is, let's discourage people who may be alone or shy and hence more likely to take drugs to cope with their awkwardness from engaging in positive social activities.
Drug testing serves only one purpose, it's about control, it's about teaching people to submit to authority. If someone truly has a drug problem people will notice and it's when they are headed down a path of destruction that you intervene. - Chronoped, on 05/09/2009, -0/+11Let's take it even FURTHER then.
What's wrong with people smoking pot, why isn't just their personal business, and why should they be punished for it? Honestly, how many high schoolers are into anything more than weed? - michaelsmusic, on 05/09/2009, -0/+11This is so strange to me because nothing like this existing when I was in high school. Blood tests? Really? Lucy is right -- "We're doomed."
- d2cole, on 05/09/2009, -0/+10i don't see why you need to drug test them... we had one kid at our school who everybody knew took steroids. he was growing a full beard at like 14 and he's only 5 foot 2.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -5/+15Gattaca, here we come!
- Shipyaad, on 05/09/2009, -3/+13I'm sure the marching band will sound GREAT when everybody's high.
- kevinsboy, on 05/09/2009, -1/+9Although getting a hi band player to file down (get in a straight line) during band practice is a pain in the butt
- jivatmanx, on 05/09/2009, -1/+9Though it's easy to experimentally prove that Steroids enhance athletic performance, I think the only drugs you could prove enhance mental activity would be stimulants.
In terms of whether drug testing violates Liberty, let's compare to our legal system. To search and seize you must:
1. Have reason of suspicion in order to obtain a warrant
2. A warrant specifying exactly what you're allowed to look for
In this drug testing, they're allowed to test for every drug in existence (I don't think marijuana enhances athletic performance). Where does this stop? Are they going to be allowed to test if you use any prescription drugs? Vitamins or supplements? Your DNA? As soon as you expand your search beyond questions of immediate legality, there is no end.
Yes, I know, in public schools you're not allowed the same rights inside as out. But since we have compulsory schooling (Truant officers, etc) they, by definition, should be. Either end the compulsory nature of schooling (such as Jefferson preferred) or retain our constitutional rights while we're in school.
Now for the long Jefferson Quote:
"Is it a right or a duty in society to take care of their infant members in opposition to the will of the parent? How far does this right and duty extend? --to guard the life of the infant, his property, his instruction, his morals? The Roman father was supreme in all these: we draw a line, but where? --public sentiment does not seem to have traced it precisely... It is better to tolerate the rare instance of a parent refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings and ideas by the forcible asportation and education of the infant against the will of the father... What is proposed... is to remove the objection of expense, by offering education gratis, and to strengthen parental excitement by the disfranchisement of his child while uneducated. Society has certainly a right to disavow him whom they offer, and are permitted to qualify for the duties of a citizen. If we do not force instruction, let us at least strengthen the motives to receive it when offered."
--Thomas Jefferson: Note to Elementary School Act, 1817. ME 17:423
Scarcely has a more articulate man walked the earth. - zslice, on 05/09/2009, -1/+9so marijuana isn't a gateway drug, but testing for it is?
- CaptObvious, on 05/09/2009, -2/+9Shasta County? Isn't that a soda?
- protogenxl, on 05/09/2009, -0/+7Test the chess club kids for Prozac, Strattera, Concerta and Ritalin
- JasonCox, on 05/09/2009, -0/+7I can understand not drug-testing the band because, well, then you wouldn't have a band anymore. But the chess club?
- thcobbs, on 05/09/2009, -5/+12Sorry, but what does genetic engineering run amok have to do with "This one time, at band camp..."?
- BlanKz, on 05/09/2009, -0/+7Yeah, but that would require two people and one large cup.
- inactive, on 05/09/2009, -1/+8No! You can't smoke pot! The bible-thumpers and the right-wingers will never allow that. But you are free to drink as much booze as you want. Carry on.
- BrewBeau, on 05/09/2009, -1/+7See? It really is a gateway drug.
Like I need a sarcasm tag!
/sarcasm - ghostlywind, on 05/09/2009, -2/+8Now this is just getting silly.
- cubicledrone, on 05/09/2009, -0/+6The people have a right not to be searched, regardless of what activity they volunteer for, including athletics.
- FurtThePirate, on 05/09/2009, -1/+6Dugg for pawns rights.
- rsHoratio, on 05/09/2009, -0/+5what the ***** is "garunty"
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