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- chrismakk69, on 12/02/2008, -17/+97Not gonna happen.
- patpl22391, on 12/02/2008, -9/+66You guys are getting EXACTLY what you voted for. More government.
- d2002, on 12/02/2008, -15/+72Not with this stinking economy.
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -33/+85Republican here.
If done right, national health care would be a good thing. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -23/+73Real conservative here.
This is a horrible idea and would sink the economy even further. - kemp34, on 12/02/2008, -14/+56While health care is certainly something we should work to provide all folks with, utilizing the Federal government to provide it is a recipe for failure.
If people spent half the time they spent lobbying for this actually setting up clinics, health education centers, providing quality food and dietary supplements to the poor and implementing strategies to get people on their own two feet, we would not even have to have this discussion.
I guess there will always exist a subset of the population who want everything done for them. Selfish! - Asianwaste, on 12/02/2008, -14/+45If you want to see American national health care, just go to a military clinic/hospital. They SUCK. If the government ***** it up at a microscale, they'll ***** it up in a grander scale.
- truberg, on 12/02/2008, -7/+37Do you people really want your MEDICAL SYSTEM brought to you by the same folks who operate the DMV? The IRS? The DEA?
Should we also communize/socialize the GROCERY STORES in America? Isn't food just as important as health care?
What is the nature of all this hatred of the free market? Don't you realize that everything you own in your life that's worth having was brought about by someone looking for a mutual exchange of value? - ryan83189, on 12/02/2008, -5/+34Im all for the poor getting access to healthcare, but where is the money going to come from? We didn't have the money before the stock market went down, we definitely don't have it now. To make it affordable the government will have to take over the whole industry and that is really undesirable. Quality of care for the rest of us would go down, it would be a bureaucratic mess to see your doctor. Im not talking putting a band aid on cancer after 500 pages of paperwork, but still pretty bad.
- lgyeresi, on 12/02/2008, -11/+40To remain competitive at what?
- alais, on 12/02/2008, -13/+41Sure as ***** hope not.
- russ3, on 12/02/2008, -2/+29Please list things that our FEDERAL government manages and funds correctly, so that I can understand why the ***** I would want to put them in charge of an actual life and death situations.
- NSResponder, on 12/02/2008, -3/+30Amen. Just ask anyone on an Indian reservation or a public school how good a job the government does at delivering a service.
-jcr - victorsage, on 12/02/2008, -3/+27I already have health care...
- cubicledrone, on 12/02/2008, -4/+26If doctors could see patients and negotiate with them directly for the price of medical care, all of this would be a non-issue.
- cyrusuncc, on 12/02/2008, -22/+43Hooray for long lines and ***** socialistic health care!
- cubicledrone, on 12/02/2008, -5/+24Maybe if health care were actually a free market we wouldn't need it. Who decides the price for a medical procedure? The doctor or the insurance company? 'nuff said.
- The_Red_Monkey, on 12/02/2008, -12/+29I am also a Fiscally Conservative Republican and we can not afford Universal Healthcare with 42% of Americans not paying any federal income tax. We just can not afford it that way. We need to lower that to about 15% and I am on board. Look at the countries that have it and everyone pays income tax, there are no exceptions.
Otherwise where the hell will the 700 billion that it will cost annually come from? - PeppermintPig, on 12/02/2008, -4/+21By manipulating the price of health care via subsidy and behavior which bucks what people in the market are seeking, you will see more people unable to afford health care. This will once again precipitate the cry by Politicians that 'We need to do more to help people so they can afford health care!'. It is a vicious cycle. It is not the role of the government to engage in price controls as it ultimately punishes those people who currently can get by without assistance.
- mfc5200, on 12/02/2008, -1/+18This is what I can't understand.
Essentially, EVERYTHING the federal government has touched, they have royally screwed up.
Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Defense Spending, Vietnam War, Iraq War, Afghanistan War, and the US healthcare system. Yet you want to give these guys more power? How about giving them less power, and letting the states or local government take care of it? At least its easier to keep those guys in line. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -11/+27That is not going to happen.
- BlackJackJester, on 12/02/2008, -0/+16yup. Regulation is killing the system, and people want more of it.
- jonshipman, on 12/02/2008, -13/+29Being alive
- mrcaulfield, on 12/02/2008, -13/+28seems you've been dugg down for saying you're a Republican.
guess the digg community confuses Neo-Con Republicans with Ron Paul Republicans some times.
dugg you back up.
P.S. to anyone: George Bush is actually a fiscal socialist. he's made our government all the more powerful and intrusive while having our troops fight a corrupt war for the sake of spreading "democracy". - kingmanic, on 12/02/2008, -9/+24At staying economically competitive, it's one of the reasons Japan has lower per unit costs for their cars. Also to stay competitive at living a full and healthy life without the threat of medical cost related bankruptcy or a shorter average lifespan, higher infant mortality etc . . .
Americans pay twice as much in aggregated public and private than Canada for worse health metrics in all areas except elective surgery wait times. - shiftclick, on 12/02/2008, -10/+25Google "Hawaiian Healthcare system bankruptcy" and you'll find this little nugget:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200810 ...
FTA:
Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
I live in Hawaii and I can tell you it was a disaster. People started opting out of paying for their own to get the Uni plan and it tumbled down fast. Obama supporters should understand that "spreading the wealth" doesnt work when everyone has their hands out there is no wealth and in the end all you have is a bunch of broke people still looking for a hand-out. Not to mention, the beaurocracy involved makes getting said care more difficult. - jonshipman, on 12/02/2008, -5/+19A doctor said my dad needed an MRI. The insurance company said he didn't.
So insurance companies are doctors now? No, they're a business. And any business's prime goal is to make money. They won't make money paying for silly things like an MRI when the doctor says he needs it.
My dad has something wrong in his leg and the doctor won't know what's wrong in there without the MRI. If the government was in control the price would be the last thing they would care about. They pay $6000 for a hammer for goodness sake! - mac888, on 12/02/2008, -42/+56Maybe not next year, but the US needs universal health care really, really badly in order to remain competitive.
- randyzaia, on 12/02/2008, -1/+15Public schools, the IRS, the DMV.
oh wait - Aldanga, on 12/02/2008, -2/+15I'm pretty sure Ron Paul Republicans are not in favor of nationalized health care. That would mean more government power, more taxes, less efficiency, less free markets.
Nationalized Health Care is pretty much in complete opposition to the core beliefs of a Ron Paul Republican. - sjatkins, on 12/02/2008, -4/+172009 is they year we all get financially screwed. It is the year when we get way more government than anyone ever wanted. It probably isn't the year people will learn the real cause of there misery is government. Instead they will demand more of it.
- PeppermintPig, on 12/02/2008, -7/+19The race to the bottom, of course!
- lgyeresi, on 12/02/2008, -16/+28SURE ***** HOPE NOT
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+11Entitled.... now that's a word I'd love to see struck from the english dictionary. People keep confusing rights with entitlements.
- BlackJackJester, on 12/02/2008, -4/+15Um, the democratic congress voted for it. That's all I have to say
- Armstrong3, on 12/02/2008, -13/+24woo! the rich have tons of money not because they worked hard for it, but because it grows on their trees! make them pay more in taxes so the lazy can just keep being lazy.
go ahead and bury me, but understand that capitalism dies when no one desires to take risks in hopes for rewards. - plarp, on 12/02/2008, -13/+24HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA
- johndavidjack, on 12/02/2008, -0/+10I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought the Paul - to - Obama mass exodus was funny...
- wicketr, on 12/02/2008, -5/+15"hey, can you tell me where the new Camero is being made
answer:Canada
reason: GM doesn't have to pay health care expenses"
Can someone please explain this to me?
How do the doctors get their money with "universal health care"?
Is it directly from the government?
If so, where does the government get their money? Taxes?
If so, does universal health care not increase taxes to pay for that health care?
If so, don't people need to make more money from the companies to counter the effects of having to pay higher taxes? - snoudude, on 12/02/2008, -0/+10It'll be worse - Us Americans don't do anything half-assed including mess stuff up.
- BlackJackJester, on 12/02/2008, -3/+13well, Canada has 10% of the population of the US, and bureaucracy grows exponentially, so instead of being 10 times as expensive, it would probably be 100 or 1000 times as expensive as the Canadian system. They also don't have tens of millions of illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes who will benefit from a universal system.
- itstodd, on 12/02/2008, -1/+11please list the 43 million americans that dont have health care.
- BlackJackJester, on 12/02/2008, -13/+23no, we really don't. No country half as big and diverse as the US has universal care because it doesn't work for such a large group with so many different interests. There is also not a single good system that isn't broke, and with an already skyrocketing debt, we simply can't afford it. I'd be all for it if they cut the military budget, brought ALL our troops home, and free'd up the funds that way, but that's not going to happen.
The healthcare system is terrible right now, but Universal health care is going the wrong direction. The reason why ours is broken is because it's a hybrid system - heavily regulated, yet universal (hospitals won't turn away people). This causes the costs to come out of the people who pay insurance - a generally terrible system.
The way to fix it is to regulate less, not more. But mostly, I don't trust the government with anything these days. There isn't a single thing they've touched in the past 5 decades that hasn't turned into *****. in the words of the famous Trent Reznor, "the more I give to you the less I get to keep for myself" - DrewPeacock, on 12/02/2008, -0/+9Infinite demand my ass.
- ronaldst, on 12/02/2008, -1/+10Wutcha talkin' aboot?
People sure love those min. 3 to 5 hour waits at the local clinics. Or going back home because the clinic was FULL. - randyzaia, on 12/02/2008, -2/+11Yolanda at the DMV is going to be just great at handling life and death matters.
- The_Red_Monkey, on 12/02/2008, -5/+14Universal Healthcare will mean lower operating costs for businesses and coverage for everyone. Just providing universal healthcare would mean that our auto industry would be saved as its the Healthcare costs draining the funds from GM.
But again we need to restructure our Federal Income Tax so that the 42% of the population has no federal tax burden. That 42% needs to pay something for universal health care to work. - mrcaulfield, on 12/02/2008, -20/+29i doubt it will happen as early as next year, but a guy can still hope for things...
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -1/+10Yeah... that's what I want!... healthcare on par with my visit to the DMV! Yeah.. now THAT'S quality!
My brother nearly died in a socialist medical system. They misdiagnosed him 5 different times (by five different doctors). As soon as he got back into the US they diagnosed him correctly within two hours. - slezzzter, on 12/02/2008, -0/+8This is why America was designed as a republic. So that individual states could be crucibles in which to test these systems. Let some state increase it's taxes and provide universal health care in it's borders. If they can make it viable, people will move there, or other states will enact similar systems. The problem with the Federal Government doing something like this, is that everyone changes all at once. Let's test drive this one before we buy it outright.
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